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Devon Dotson will visit Maryland this weekend.
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@BShark I love frank Martin! Hated when he left, he was good for the big 12. Ksu
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@JayHawkFanToo No, I just live here in Zionās state and posted about USCās history like 40 times in the past 2 years. So obviously my opinion on this possibility is ill-informed. Thanks for setting me straight!
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BShark said:
Devon Dotson will visit Maryland this weekend.
Welp, as expected this one is dragging on now.
I warn everyone and do themselves a favor and donāt visit Marylandās board. I thought it was the just the whack job insider that was delusional but apparently if you read them speak its a disease that has spread throughout.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Devon Dotson will visit Maryland this weekend.
Welp, as expected this one is dragging on now.
I warn everyone and do themselves a favor and donāt visit Marylandās board. I thought it was the just the whack job insider that was delusional but apparently if you read them speak its a disease that has spread throughout.
I think itās hilarious but for sure anyone that is easily angered (like my boy @jayballer54 ) should stay away.
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Some of them are talking a āfab fiveā and recruiting on a Kentucky level, but better yet better then Kentucky level.
Whatever is in their water, Iām going to decline a glass
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The real problem is Turge would still be coaching this theoretical fab five.
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I just want Grimes. This is where Iām at with it. Then find some random guard to fill the roster.
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BShark said:
I just want Grimes. This is where Iām at with it. Then find some random guard to fill the roster.
Agreed, the more this process has played out Grimes is the real cornerstone to the class. If we miss on him, its time for some shakeup in the assistant ranks
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@BeddieKU23 Who goes? Howard landed McCormack. Towns was the lead on De Sousa. Norm was the lead on Dotson, but Norm isnāt going anywhere anytime soon.
At least our coaches arenāt getting popped for something like this.
Also, @jaybate-1-0 proof that brands do in fact pay high schoolers. Adidas rep caught paying $100k to a kid so he signs with Adidas. On the bright side, at least Adidas is trying. Just clearly not as good at is as Nike. Although, 3 of the coaches arrested were Nike schoolsā¦ So maybe not.
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I donāt see how Maryland lands any sort of āfab fiveā. Maybe a ākinda okay fiveā, but that doesnāt have the same ring to it.
The original Fab Five were ranked the following: #1 (Chris Webber), #3 (Juwan Howard), #5 (Jalen Rose), #9 (Jimmy King) and #84 (Ray Jackson). Some services had Jackson ranked higher than that - perhaps in the 30s. Either way, to equal that, Maryland would need 3 guys in the top 5 and four in the top 10, plus another from the top 100.
Here are the top players in the class that are undeclared right now:
- RJ Barrett (not considering Maryland)
- Zion Williamson (considering Maryland, but Terps are not considered a frontrunner)
- Cam Reddish already signed to Duke
- Bol Bol (not considering Maryland)
- Romeo Langford (not considering Maryland)
- Simisola Shittu (not considering Maryland)
- Keldon Johnson (not considering Maryland)
The rest of the top 10 is already committed.
Maryland has two commitments so far - Jalen Smith, the #15 player in the country, and Aaron Wiggins, the #39 player in the country. The only other five star considering Maryland is Moses Brown, the #17 player. Dotson is ranked 26. Weaver and Nembhard are in the 40s. Jarius Hamilton is in the 50s. Noah Locke is 64. Eric Ayala is 91. If they got their best possible group (Smith, Wiggins, Brown, Dotson and Weaver), we are still talking about guys ranked 15, 17, 26, 39 and 42. Not exactly the āFab Five.ā
It bugs me when teams sign five ranked guys and then want to call it the āFab Fiveā. If you donāt sign at least three top 10 guys, those words shouldnāt be coming out of your mouth. Maryland does not have a Fab Five class. They just have a class that might end up with five guys in it.
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Bugs me too.
Thatās why I said whatever water they are drinking, I politely decline.
FYI Johnson visits Maryland this weekendā¦
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@BeddieKU23 Lol thatās funny, I think to a degree this is the way it is on almost everyoneās board isnāt it? - -some obviously worse then others right? - -lol - -what board was this insane talk on- fill me in I wanna see lol - -is it a premium board or free let me know I love reading this kind of stuff . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAB
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@BeddieKU23 Arenāt these the same delusional people that thought once they got the supposedly most talented Pg Melo Trimble didnāt they think he was the 2nd coming and thought guaraunteed NC with him at the leadership? - -This should be fun lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Honestly I donāt know who goes and I wouldnāt want to make that decision but Townsend/Roberts are not getting any younger.
I feel there is value to Howard that heās starting to find that he relates to this younger generation (Newman, McCormack among others).
I just view it was as unacceptable if we canāt close on the guy whoās got so many things pointing in KUās direction.
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Not sure its free but its the Maryland board on 247.
Trimble was a very good College PG. If they thought he was the 2nd coming of something they just had unrealistic expectations. Even KU is guilty of that.
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Welp read from the Maryland site about if they get Dotson the fab five - -So itās a done deal guys, just mail the NC to Maryland lmao - -anyone up for a game of Badminton lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Welp read from the Maryland site about if they get Dotson the fab five - -So itās a done deal guys, just mail the NC to Maryland lmao - -anyone up for a game of Badminton lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
What about pin the tail on the donkey?
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BeddieKU23 said:
Not sure its free but its the Maryland board on 247.
Trimble was a very good College PG. If they thought he was the 2nd coming of something they just had unrealistic expectations. Even KU is guilty of that.
Ya I just got through reading off there 247 - your right - actually pretty amusing. welp might just as well cancel the season -Maryland has the NC wrapped up now - -you play badminton or maybe Croquet lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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According to ESPN we only have 4 games this year, must have been in response to the Fab Five coming to Maryland.
Hopefully we are tournament readyā¦
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
Welp read from the Maryland site about if they get Dotson the fab five - -So itās a done deal guys, just mail the NC to Maryland lmao - -anyone up for a game of Badminton lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
What about pin the tail on the donkey?
Sure thatās a fu game. - -hope we can make it a team sport lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 WOW - -really short season, got a shotof going in-defeated though. - -what ya think? - -wonder how many games Maryland has? lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Maryland has a full schedule of course.
Yeah maybe we should print those 10-0 shirts earlyā¦
Going to need that badminton league going to fill the gapsā¦ That last game in January is going to leave both the players and fans a little rusty
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@BeddieKU23 @jayballer54 Pin the tail on the turtle.
Incidentally, UMd people who are so excited seem to forget that the original Fab 5 did not ever win a NC, and eventually the school was put on probation for NCAA violations. Sure, go for it, Maryland! (To be fair, I donāt see Turgeon as countenancing anything bad, but as Coach Calimari knows, you can get into all types of trouble when players feel entitled to cheat.)
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Self and Howard checking in with Grimes today. Yeeeehaw.
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This is two visits within a week. Wonder if we are trying to close here.
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BShark said:
This is two visits within a week. Wonder if we are trying to close here.
would be greeeattt ( frosted flakes voice)
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@BShark and Dotson.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@BShark and Dotson.
Busy busy busy. Would love to see some early guard commits.
If I were advising a recruit right now, I would say āno early commits anywhereā.
Way too much uncertainty about what schools will be allowed to compete in which games with which players and which coaches.
Not to mention these top recruits may already have accepted money and are waiting for the badges to knock on their doorsā¦
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@ParisHawk Very fair point.
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If we are clean, our pastures: green.
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@approxinfinity Was just going to say that. If somehow we get out of this completely unscathed, lookout.
With Pitino being fired, Iād have to say the Romeo sweepstakes are going to heat up. KU would have to look like the favorite at this point I would think.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@approxinfinity Was just going to say that. If somehow we get out of this completely unscathed, lookout.
With Pitino being fired, Iād have to say the Romeo sweepstakes are going to heat up. KU would have to look like the favorite at this point I would think.
Sounding like Romeo will be a spring time decision, lots of people saying that now. Would make sense. See how rosters shape up, if any other programs get murdered by the FBI etcā¦
Dotson should decide within the next week or so.
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I would agree with most of whatās in that article. I would probably go a step further and start talking to Grimes about playing in the backcourt with Langford. Thereās a video of a shooting contest between Grimes and Langford on youtube. Langfordās stroke is much cleaner - itās also notable that heās at least an inch or so taller than Grimes, which matches up with the reports that Grimes is 6-4ish, while Langford is between 6-5 and 6-6.
Grimesā best future is playing on the ball. If heās a wing player, heās a dime a dozen at the next level. At 6-4, heās a big PG that could be a game changer. It all depends on whether Grimes wants to peak as a very good college player, or as a very good NBA player.
If Grimes and Langford both come to KU, look out. I didnāt really have Langford on the radar because he was headed to Louisville, but if he flips, this whole investigation could really turn college hoops on its ear because there could be more changes coming.
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EJ Montgomery has decommitted from Auburn. No surprise there. KU is fine on bigs, provided De Sousa isnāt caught up in this mess. Some shady coach is involved with De Sousa. Itās not the guy he visited KU with but he did move from Monteverde to IMG with this coach.
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The Grimes/Langford duo is a game changer at KU if it happens. Langford has some things he needs to clean up effort wise and defensively. Lots of stuff out there that the game is just so easy for him at this point and heās bored. Self would definitely change that quickly.
Iāve long maintained Self needs to land these type of guys to compete next year. Some combination of Dotson, Grimes, Langford at guard to go with the transfers and 2 big men we have on board is a dynamite reload
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Is it illegal for a recruit to receive money? As long as he pays taxes on the money it is likely not illegal. Of course he would no longer be able to play college sports but other than that I am not sure there are any other consequences. A cash payment made to a third or fourth or fifth party might be difficult to trace.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The Grimes/Langford duo is a game changer at KU if it happens. Langford has some things he needs to clean up effort wise and defensively. Lots of stuff out there that the game is just so easy for him at this point and heās bored. Self would definitely change that quickly.
Iāve long maintained Self needs to land these type of guys to compete next year. Some combination of Dotson, Grimes, Langford at guard to go with the transfers and 2 big men we have on board is a dynamite reload
Buckets would rain from the sky.
Also, a defensive line-up of Grimes/Garrett/Langford/SDS/McCormack would be pretty good. And by pretty good I mean stifling. SARAN WRAP. Now I do think Dedric will start, but say you NEED a stop and the other team has taken a timeout, Iād say you go to this line-up.
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@BShark Think through this with me. Who are the recruits we should actually be worried about?
Guys that were possibly affected:
- Oubre - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Diallo - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Doke - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were KU, FSU and UNC
- Embiid - Not sure who he was recruited by. Down to UVA and UT. Not so worried about him.
- Wiggins - Recruited by Townsend - Finalists FSU and UK
- Bragg - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Jackson - Recruited by Townsend - Finalists MSU, Ariz.
- Cliff - Recruited by Snacks - Finalists Illinois and Depaul
Looking at this, Iām less worried. Cliffās mom took out a loan. Doesnāt seem likely they got paid. If KU were in a bidding war, looks like UK would also be involved in many of these.
If anything, this was Self knowing that Adidas would take care of him without any contact from his staff to Adidas. A sort of unspoken agreement. Bill would do his part, and Adidas would do theirs with no contact necessary.
On a side not, Towns can close top 5 kids and Norm has kicked UKās ass lately.
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@Kcmatt7 Iām more worried about recruits KU missed out on, but was potentially in a bidding war for. Now if by some miracle KU wasnāt offering to pay Ayton, Tarc etcā¦and itās AZās money that pulled them to AZ thenā¦well fuck AZ and good for KUā¦
On some level all the African players worry me a little bit because there is no doubt they have/had sleazy people around them.
Kcmatt7 said:
If anything, this was Self knowing that Adidas would take care of him without any contact from his staff to Adidas. A sort of unspoken agreement. Bill would do his part, and Adidas would do theirs with no contact necessary.
This would be an excellent scenario for KU.
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@BShark Iām far less worried now that I know we lost the recruits. It was always a weird thought how Arizona was able to keep up on the recruiting trail with KU, UCLA, UK and Duke.
Iām fairly confident that Bill was smart enough to have 1000 degrees of separation from the Adidas reps. And to make sure that his assistants knew not to even talk to them. Iām not saying that Adidas wasnāt trying to pay players to go to KU, but Bill probably didnāt know which ones were up for sale. At least, that is what it looks like at the moment.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Iām far less worried now that I know we lost the recruits. It was always a weird thought how Arizona was able to keep up on the recruiting trail with KU, UCLA, UK and Duke.
Iām fairly confident that Bill was smart enough to have 1000 degrees of separation from the Adidas reps. And to make sure that his assistants knew not to even talk to them. Iām not saying that Adidas wasnāt trying to pay players to go to KU, but Bill probably didnāt know which ones were up for sale. At least, that is what it looks like at the moment.
Something that I think bodes well for KU is that itās not like every kid that goes pro after being at KU signs with Adidas. In fact, far from it.
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@BShark I think we have such a great recruiting pitch by itself, I donāt know why we would even think about getting caught up in it.
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In a phone conversation recorded by the FBI, Dawkins told Sood and an undercover agent that āthe path to securing commitments from college athletes was through assistant coachesā¦because āthe head coachā¦aināt willing to (take bribes) cause theyāre making too much money. And itās too risky,āā the complaint says.
Odds are very good Bill isnāt involved in this. And out assistants get paid very well and have bright futures. Not worth $20k. The more I read, the more I feel better.
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Gregg Doyle, formerly of CBS (I think), and now in Indianapolis is reporting that Romeo Langford is down to either Indiana or Kansas. Iām assuming the Louisville situation has convinced him otherwise because wasnāt Louisville the assumed destination for Langford for a long time?
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Yup. Langford also set up his official visit for Oct 27th
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Is it illegal for a recruit to receive money? As long as he pays taxes on the money it is likely not illegal. Of course he would no longer be able to play college sports but other than that I am not sure there are any other consequences. A cash payment made to a third or fourth or fifth party might be difficult to trace.
āBadge at the doorā doesnāt necessarily mean being arrested, but being interviewed / investigated / obliged to testify, yes.
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Did not mean to imply an arrest. They can be invited to testify but unless they have leverage, I am not sure they could force them to testify and even then, all they have to do is take the fifthā¦just sayināā¦
