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Slater posting some stuff about Zion.
Talking about Zion’s mother not wanting him to be far away from home. What is it lately and KU recruits being negatively recruited by their mothers. Good lord let your son do what he wants!
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FYI Zion didn’t make it to Kentucky for his visit due to personal reasons. Makes you wonder whether he’ll be at Late Night…
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General news tangentially related to KU: after news leaked about McCormack and KU, Ian Steere decommitted from Creighton and got some crystal ball picks for NC State. Brutal for Creighton.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Slater posting some stuff about Zion.
Talking about Zion’s mother not wanting him to be far away from home. What is it lately and KU recruits being negatively recruited by their mothers. Good lord let your son do what he wants!
Josh Jackson and Billy Preston though!
Honestly it’s very important to recruit the parents. Self is typically very good at this.
I would at least understand it with Zion. Kansas is very far from SC and it’s just one year. Would be hilarious if he picked Clemson.
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This will change, so only relevant until it changes, but the offers compared to the player ranking here LOL: http://247sports.com/player/filip-petrusev-46041501
KU is full up in the post or I’d say they should be very interested in him. I’d be on him being top 50 by the time it’s all said and done.
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@BeddieKU23 Well, for one thing, not all mothers can move to Lawrence to see their kids play. I think being able to see your kid prove himself on a national stage would be pretty important to most parents. Everyone else gets to weigh in. Why not mothers?
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@mayjay not like she couldn’t watch literally every game from her living room… And half of his games will be 5-6 hours away at the closest. The closeness logic has dumbfounded me ever since ESPN3 started airing literally every game.
Now if we are getting negatively recruited toward mothers because of our problems last year, makes sense. I know I would be if I were an opposing coach.
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I knew the Zion to KU thing would fade out. At one point it looked promising especially with him being the face of Adidas. But when your going up against parents saying they want their kid home, we all know how that works.
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We all know his one year in College is meaningless in the bigger picture for Zion. He’s a perfect example of someone who would go to the NBA out of HS. It’s his brand, his following, his star potential that would be advantageous to KU for his one year.
If mom is not on board of him leaving the state we all know what happens…
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@BeddieKU23 Think of it as the last time Mom might be able to be a big part of his life. These kids have already lived a life different from what other HS kids have. I am only saying it is legit for parents to express their wishes, too. “Family over everything” doesn’t only apply to teams. Somehow I think Zion will be successful wherever he wants to go. Let’s not be like UK fans and start acting like there is something wrong with the priorities of players who consider going somewhere else.
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@BShark But what does that have anything to do with KU ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
@BShark But what does that have anything to do with KU ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
NC State was one of the main competitors for McCormack. Took an official there and their coach visited McCormack I think more than once. Just an example of the domino effect that can sometimes happen in recruiting.
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Agreed, I guess I wasn’t trying to dismiss the importance family should have in their child’s life and decision making.
We’ve seen what happens when guidance is absent (Mitchell Robinson).
Zion has a tight nit family from everything we’ve seen reported. Most parents do want their child close to home. It’s natural.
I know I faced the same dilemma when I was going to College, my parents didn’t support me going out of state even as a non-athlete. I ended up staying closer to home, things worked out. But when your young you have these dreams. We can all forget that these kids are young and even with a known name doesn’t take away from the fact he’s still a kid that’s going to make an important decision for his future, regardless if the decision is likely a formality to bigger things in the near future.
My gripe was, we seem to be getting into some high profile recruitment’s and hearing the distance from home theme stressed by the parents. Usually that ends up being a sign (for KU) they don’t stray far from the nest. We all know Self and KU face a ton of obstacles to land top tier talent and having a lack of elite prospects in their backyard every year to recruit only adds to those obstacles.
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BShark said:
General news tangentially related to KU: after news leaked about McCormack and KU, Ian Steere decommitted from Creighton and got some crystal ball picks for NC State. Brutal for Creighton.
I saw that and thought the same thing. Steere is a quality big, not surprised he might end up in-state after all
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
General news tangentially related to KU: after news leaked about McCormack and KU, Ian Steere decommitted from Creighton and got some crystal ball picks for NC State. Brutal for Creighton.
I saw that and thought the same thing. Steere is a quality big, not surprised he might end up in-state after all
Yeah when KU showed interest I was thinking he’d be a solid get. Good 4 year player in a class light on bigs. I can’t blame KU for not pressing for him though* and things sure worked out with LB gifting De Sousa and then KU closing fast on McCormack.
*Which brings up an interesting topic. More and more “lower level” schools are prioritizing fringe top 100-150 recruits and getting them early. The kids want to play so it makes sense for them as well. But until you get the kid actually signed it opens up the door for stuff like this. Loads of early period commitments in this class and I think we will see a lot more before it’s all said and done.
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Agreed, I think there is something like 30 or so Top 100 kids left on the board. Many of them seem to be set to go somewhere by November. We may see only a handful waiting until spring which kind of goes against what has been Self’s penchant for closing in the spring. I’m sure we’ll see yet again a ton of de-commits, kids getting out of LOI’s etc after the year plays by. That trend is going no where. Nice to see 2 Top rated bigs committed early. Definitely a refreshing take from the norm
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At the end of the day, Zion can go to KU if that’s the right spot for him. Mom may not be super thrilled about him being far away, but every KU game is on TV and that’s a pretty easy flight if they want to come out for a game or two. If not here, I really hope he stays in-state so he’s not at a rival school. Someone may have said it earlier, but Self is amazing with parents, so he should be able to assure Mom that they’ll take the best care of Zion.
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@BeddieKU23 The thing I would say is let’s just use Zion for an example even though there have been others. - Why should it be any different for Zion going to Kentucky , whether then KU ? - -Mom want’s him to stay close to home? - Fine Clemson - -South Carolina, but where I have the problem like that kind of like you I think to a degree is they want them close to home yet he lands at Kentucky? - that’s not close, close is in-state.
There are others that have seen in the past where Mom or Dad or whatever want them to stay close you see a kid from the West Coast or Midwest parents want them to stay close yet they end up at Duke - - Kentucky - -North Carolina so where is the logic in that? - I don’t get it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Agree, I mean look at us this year, we already have two for early commit this year where as the last 3-4 years seems like we been scrambling in the spring. Seeing a lot more early commits and think we are far from done. - -I STILL think call me crazy but I STILL think when it’s all said and done we end up wit Devon, maybe cause he has been my boy from day one , maybe I’m speaking with my heart but not my head - -I just think when it’s over he still lands here & I think it might be a fall signing too.
I think also we end up with Grimes But I think he will be a spring signing hoping the best to get both - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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If he lands at Kentucky, its still the SEC where SC is and he’ll play a lot of games in the general area of his family including South Carolina at least once a year. Duke, same thing would play Clemson and others within shouting distance. If he stays in-state then you have to think the family had some influence there and if distance from home is a deciding factor we know KU won’t be a serious option. We’ll see, I’m not surprised by this development if its significant. We are used to fighting a real uphill battle for out of state recruits
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FarmerJayhawk said:
At the end of the day, Zion can go to KU if that’s the right spot for him. Mom may not be super thrilled about him being far away, but every KU game is on TV and that’s a pretty easy flight if they want to come out for a game or two. If not here, I really hope he stays in-state so he’s not at a rival school. Someone may have said it earlier, but Self is amazing with parents, so he should be able to assure Mom that they’ll take the best care of Zion.
Interesting, there has been some chatter Self didn’t win over the Dotson family during his recruitment/during his visit. Who knows how truthful that is but generally I’ve always though Self was good with the families of kids.
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@BeddieKU23 I’ve heard that too. Sometimes guys just have an off day. The in-home was better from what I’ve heard.
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If you were a mother of a top prospect, wouldn’t you want him to prove himself at the higher level at a program like KU where he will have considerably bigger exposure rather than a second tier program like Clemson? Wanting him to go to a lesser program so he is close to home seemes like a very selfish thing to do.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 I’ve heard that too. Sometimes guys just have an off day. The in-home was better from what I’ve heard.
This has been a tough recruitment to trust any info on especially lately. Was a relatively quiet one then all of sudden we have insiders and sources coming out of the woodworks and posting on MB’s about him. Its conceivable nobody knows anything.
I wish Slater hadn’t dropped any information regarding an all but wrapped up commitment to KU during the summer as now we have no commitment and no idea what’s going on. If he wasn’t sold after an unofficial on his own dime, an official and 2 in-home visits its hard to be positive he ends up here.
That TBD official to Maryland could be the game changer in this. His friend and fellow Terp commit working him, UA making their pitch, staying closer to home in the Big-10… Just seems to convenient at this stage
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I am not sure if you meant going to Maryland and staying in the ACC. Maryland is in the Big 10 now.
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@JayHawkFanToo I might be happier about S Carolina, close to him and off of a F4 year.
@BeddieKU23 Sometimes maybe the Mom wants to keep her baby in check. Of course, as with Cliff, once in a while, it would be best if the athlete could keep Mom in check!
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Yup I realized my brain freeze after. Hard to believe they are not in the ACC anymore
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mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo I might be happier about S Carolina, close to him and off of a F4 year.
@BeddieKU23 Sometimes maybe the Mom wants to keep her baby in check. Of course, as with Cliff, once in a while, it would be best if the athlete could keep Mom in check!
Too funny, has there ever been a situation other then the Ball family where an athlete wished their parent(s), had guidance to stop them from bad decisions!
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Well again I still will say and will hold ground until officially otherwise - I think Ku is in still good shape - not maybe solid but very good shape with Devon. Now I have a question , I just saw off 247 sports , that Andrew Nembhard the # 28 player a 6 '4 PG has , that Florida picked up 3 CB’S for him just today , and under his profile it shows 100 % Florida. So my question is , does this possibly mean that Florida knows that maybe they are no longer a factor for Devon? - -Is there a leak somewhere as to why all of a sudden that Andrew has 3 CB’S predictions for Florida today ? Is this a sign that maybe someone knows something. - I have this feeling. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Nembhard going to UF would be great for KU re: Dotson.
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He’s visiting them this weekend, it’s his last visit and the staff apparently has a good relationship with him. Im not surprised some are reading the tea leaves with that one.
Florida wants 2 guards and they have tried to sell multiple guys on that philosphy. They even brought in Dotson and Elijah Weaver together which could have hurt them. No info to back that up but I’m sure it was on both minds as they hosted them together.
If they land him well that would seem to be positive for KU… this Maryland thing needs to be cleared up
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@BShark That is kind of what I’m thinking guy. - -Like I said it is showing him 100 % Florida and picking up those CB’S - -makes me wonder if they realized that they might not be and option for Devon any longer or feel like their chances have slipped by , so now they working harder for this guy. - Makes me think something is going on, something leaked like with McCormack.
Like I said I’m still in on my Boy Devon , been there since day one & I’ll continue to hang on till He commits somewhere. - I still think in the end - - - -he lands here. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Do you realize that before last season, the previous time South Carolina went to the NCAA was in 2004 and before that in 1998 and both times the lost in the round if 64?
Coach Martin notwithstanding and going by their track record, last season was a fluke.
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It’s about landing kids and coaching. KSU was foolish for firing Martin.
South Carolina’s best players last year.
Sindarius Thornwell #32 ranked in class of 2013. SR. PJ Dozier #25 ranked in class of 2015. SO. Chris Silva #161 ranked in class of 2015. SO.
They also had a foreign player that was probably underranked a bit. Then mostly role players. Martin is a hell of a coach.
They will be tested this year though. They lost ten yes TEN players from last year’s roster including their far and away two best in Dozier and Thornwell.
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Maryland is the first team I actually followed back when Lefty Driesell was the coach and I agree, hard to think of Maryland being anywhere other than the ACC.
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Devon Dotson will visit Maryland this weekend.
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@BShark I love frank Martin! Hated when he left, he was good for the big 12. Ksu
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@JayHawkFanToo No, I just live here in Zion’s state and posted about USC’s history like 40 times in the past 2 years. So obviously my opinion on this possibility is ill-informed. Thanks for setting me straight!
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BShark said:
Devon Dotson will visit Maryland this weekend.
Welp, as expected this one is dragging on now.
I warn everyone and do themselves a favor and don’t visit Maryland’s board. I thought it was the just the whack job insider that was delusional but apparently if you read them speak its a disease that has spread throughout.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Devon Dotson will visit Maryland this weekend.
Welp, as expected this one is dragging on now.
I warn everyone and do themselves a favor and don’t visit Maryland’s board. I thought it was the just the whack job insider that was delusional but apparently if you read them speak its a disease that has spread throughout.
I think it’s hilarious but for sure anyone that is easily angered (like my boy @jayballer54 ) should stay away.
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Some of them are talking a “fab five” and recruiting on a Kentucky level, but better yet better then Kentucky level.
Whatever is in their water, I’m going to decline a glass
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The real problem is Turge would still be coaching this theoretical fab five.
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I just want Grimes. This is where I’m at with it. Then find some random guard to fill the roster.
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BShark said:
I just want Grimes. This is where I’m at with it. Then find some random guard to fill the roster.
Agreed, the more this process has played out Grimes is the real cornerstone to the class. If we miss on him, its time for some shakeup in the assistant ranks
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@BeddieKU23 Who goes? Howard landed McCormack. Towns was the lead on De Sousa. Norm was the lead on Dotson, but Norm isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
At least our coaches aren’t getting popped for something like this.
Also, @jaybate-1-0 proof that brands do in fact pay high schoolers. Adidas rep caught paying $100k to a kid so he signs with Adidas. On the bright side, at least Adidas is trying. Just clearly not as good at is as Nike. Although, 3 of the coaches arrested were Nike schools… So maybe not.
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I don’t see how Maryland lands any sort of “fab five”. Maybe a “kinda okay five”, but that doesn’t have the same ring to it.
The original Fab Five were ranked the following: #1 (Chris Webber), #3 (Juwan Howard), #5 (Jalen Rose), #9 (Jimmy King) and #84 (Ray Jackson). Some services had Jackson ranked higher than that - perhaps in the 30s. Either way, to equal that, Maryland would need 3 guys in the top 5 and four in the top 10, plus another from the top 100.
Here are the top players in the class that are undeclared right now:
- RJ Barrett (not considering Maryland)
- Zion Williamson (considering Maryland, but Terps are not considered a frontrunner)
- Cam Reddish already signed to Duke
- Bol Bol (not considering Maryland)
- Romeo Langford (not considering Maryland)
- Simisola Shittu (not considering Maryland)
- Keldon Johnson (not considering Maryland)
The rest of the top 10 is already committed.
Maryland has two commitments so far - Jalen Smith, the #15 player in the country, and Aaron Wiggins, the #39 player in the country. The only other five star considering Maryland is Moses Brown, the #17 player. Dotson is ranked 26. Weaver and Nembhard are in the 40s. Jarius Hamilton is in the 50s. Noah Locke is 64. Eric Ayala is 91. If they got their best possible group (Smith, Wiggins, Brown, Dotson and Weaver), we are still talking about guys ranked 15, 17, 26, 39 and 42. Not exactly the “Fab Five.”
It bugs me when teams sign five ranked guys and then want to call it the “Fab Five”. If you don’t sign at least three top 10 guys, those words shouldn’t be coming out of your mouth. Maryland does not have a Fab Five class. They just have a class that might end up with five guys in it.
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Bugs me too.
That’s why I said whatever water they are drinking, I politely decline.
FYI Johnson visits Maryland this weekend…
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@BeddieKU23 Lol that’s funny, I think to a degree this is the way it is on almost everyone’s board isn’t it? - -some obviously worse then others right? - -lol - -what board was this insane talk on- fill me in I wanna see lol - -is it a premium board or free let me know I love reading this kind of stuff . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAB
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@BeddieKU23 Aren’t these the same delusional people that thought once they got the supposedly most talented Pg Melo Trimble didn’t they think he was the 2nd coming and thought guaraunteed NC with him at the leadership? - -This should be fun lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Honestly I don’t know who goes and I wouldn’t want to make that decision but Townsend/Roberts are not getting any younger.
I feel there is value to Howard that he’s starting to find that he relates to this younger generation (Newman, McCormack among others).
I just view it was as unacceptable if we can’t close on the guy who’s got so many things pointing in KU’s direction.
