2018 Recruiting Thread
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@BeddieKU23 KU isn’t landing Dotson period. Grimes is priority and KU isn’t getting both them. I also don’t know if Arizona gets Dotson either considering they already have Brandon Williams inked. I’d rather Grimes anyway because he fill the bigger need for KU.
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@jayballer54 No, he wouldn’t have to sit out because he’s leaving before classes start. Just like Whitman won’t have to sit out either because of the timing of his departure.
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I disagree
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@BeddieKU23 KU flat out is not signing 2 top rated PG’s in 2018 when they already have Charlie Moore who will have spent a year in the program at that point.
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Here is the NCAA guidance that seems on point:
Transfer trigger: A condition that affects your transfer status. A transfer student is a student who transfers from a collegiate institution after having triggered any of the conditions:
-Enrolled full-time during any term and attended class or in Division I if you are enrolled full time and are on campus on the opening day of classes.
-Reported for a regular squad practice.
-Practiced or competed while enrolled less than full-time…
-Received institutional financial aid while attending summer school.
(Italics added)
Whitman played but was he there for the first practice for Italy? That might not be considered a “regular practice”; he apparently did not enroll for the summer term.
Even if someone enrolls early, it looks like they have to be there on the first day of classes for the transfer rules, like a season out, to get triggered.
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You can say what you feel as you have and I don’t agree
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@BeddieKU23 Then explain the logic of how KU signs two 5 star PG’s when they will already have a top 50 PG already on campus and in the system for a year?
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@mayjay The Italy trip is not NCAA sanctioned which is why the transfers are eligible to play so those practices have no impact on transfer eligibility. The reason why the rules read the way they do are for the schools that are on the quarter system as opposed to the semester system. I don’t know what WKU’s academic calender looks like whether they run on a traditional calender or on quarters, but quarters don’t usually start until late September or early October and practices don’t start until mid October. Even if the WKU kid waits until after the Italy trip to come here, there’s nothing that would stop that from happening and from him playing for KU this year.
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Thanks for that. Looks like he needs a waiver to not sit a year. The ESPN scroll pointed that out.
Hopefully they let him go anywhere and Bill Self is his first call
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@BeddieKU23 Yep. From the Louisville paper:
“Robinson arrived in Bowling Green on July 9 and attended summer school for two weeks prior to his departure, the report said.”
I guess if that wasn’t a “term” under the rules he would not need a waiver, but that seems really unlikely.
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More on Robinson, including his background of drama at WKU, which I’d forgotten:
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Trainwreck of a situation but if he can play this year I think he is a take. However it is being floated that he will go to UNC or play overseas.
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New names: Zion Griffin, Keyshawn Embery, Jalen Lecque (2019).
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@BShark So talk to me, what’s this guy all about? - -Size - -position, 2018 - -2019 - -what? - -where is he ranked? - -JAYHAWK FOR LIFE
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Terrence Hargrove Jr 2019 wing 6’6’’ currently unranked
Zion Griffin 2018 wing/combo forward 6’5’’ currently unranked but on the rise, kid can BALL
Keyshawn Embery 2018 PG 6’3’’ fringe top 200 guy
Jalen Lecque 2019 PG 6’4’’ top 25 type talent major baller
KU watched all these players this weekend in addition to names you expect such as JRE, Harvey, N’faly Dante (MONSTER 2020 MEGASTUD CENTER), Malik Hall, Bryce Thompson, Ty Berry and Cole Anthony.
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David McCormack unofficially visiting KU in August. Plans to return for an official as well. Good start with this guy.
Oklahoma St and Duke also heavily involved as well as a few others. OSU is working hard to unofficially cheat in his recruitment doing the old “we’ll hire his AAU coach” and recruit his teammate hard.
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BeddieKU23 said:
David McCormack unofficially visiting KU in August. Plans to return for an official as well. Good start with this guy.
Oklahoma St and Duke also heavily involved as well as a few others. OSU is working hard to unofficially cheat in his recruitment doing the old “we’ll hire his AAU coach” and recruit his teammate hard.
Unofficially cheat. Dying. At least it’s open I guess.
Glad to see the staff putting priority on him. I was beginning to wonder. He might be the best traditional post player in this class. I’d love to see him at KU and two visits bodes well but it’s going to be a tough pull from Okie lite as things currently stand for the reasons you mentioned.
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Yes Oklahoma St looks tough with how they are trying to get him to commit. My hope is he looks at the roster and see’s 2 C’s that he’d have to compete with. While KU literally has Doke and may/may not have him after next season and nothing else.
Definitely is one of the best traditional post players out there. I think his development would further continue with Hudy as he’s a big that has reshaped his body over the years.
Getting 2 visits is very important in potentially landing him.
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RJ Barrett is officially in 2018 class. Self’s chance to land the next big time wing.
He’s absolutely at the same level as Wiggins and Jackson were. He’s a perfect fit at KU and would elevate next years team a whole lot
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BeddieKU23 Then explain the logic of how KU signs two 5 star PG’s when they will already have a top 50 PG already on campus and in the system for a year?
My logic is the same as it was before. We’re losing multiple guards and we are recruiting multiple guards to fill those positions.
There is nothing else to say until the fall when these guards start making decisions
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http://247sports.com/player/samuell-williamson-46043096
Per Matt Scott: His mom went to KU and brother just graduated from KU. Kid blew up this weekend.
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I see your point and makes sense. Also, KU emphasis/experiment with guard play last season (more due to happenstance than design) was very successful and I am sure recruits are paying attention and hopefully seeing unique opportunities at KU.
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The staff has made it clear they want two guards in this class. Now, do they get two top guards? That remains to be seen but recent history would say no.
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It will be important to see how the domino’s at the PG position play out this fall. Everyone is waiting for someone to make the first move.
I’d be happy if KU got one of its elite guard targets (Grimes or Dotson) and someone like Noah Locke who’s the prototypical Top 100 4 star recruit but fills a need that’s leaving the team (perimeter shooting) after this season. Locke shot over 50% from 3 this summer. If KU can grab multiple elite guards to add to its roster then I think it would send a message into the recruiting world that KU and Self are still one of the top dogs out there.
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Can we fly Mitchell Robinson out to Italy really quick? Do we think the staff put in a phone call at least? Would you take him?
I think he goes overseas, but I just figured I’d ask.
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I’d take him in a second. Probably won’t happen tho.
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Sounds like WKU players were happy he’s gone.
Probably the type of person you don’t want, but the talent and need for a big of his potential would make it hard to pass up.
I thought he would have landed at LSU first time around. Wade has inspired life into a terrible basketball program. They don’t have an open scholarship to give him but I’m sure those things just work themselves out
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@BShark What did he do?
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Well read where we picked up a couple more CB’S for Devon – -that’s my boy - -I know the CB’S are pretty much a mute point, - -well at least for the most part. - -Ayton is solid proof of that as he showed us 100% right up until the end. - -Anyways like I have said many times , Would be really sweet if we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both, add Williams that would be a pretty solid start for next year — -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark What did he do?
Last Wednesday night, Western Kentucky freshman center Mitchell Robinson packed up all of his stuff and went back to his home in Louisiana without telling anyone at WKU. When he didn’t report to a workout the next day, staff members went to his dorm room and discovered that it was empty.
On Sunday, Western Kentucky head coach Rick Stansbury traveled to New Orleans to meet with both Robinson and his mother. Robinson reportedly expressed that he was having second thoughts about attending WKU, and was wanting to leave before the new summer semester began and before the Hilltoppers team trip to Costa Rica next week.
On Monday, Stansbury announced that Robinson was suspended indefinitely for leaving campus. On Tuesday, the head coach released a statement announcing that Robinson was free to transfer.
Mitchell is a good kid, but the team will always be more important than one individual player," Stansbury said in a statement. "He needs to understand the value of structure and accountability in his life, and his return will be dependent upon requirements that will be handled internally.
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From a Western Kentucky fan posting in KU board
Has nothing to do with being homesick at all. Has everything to do with him getting bad advice from “handlers” and people trying to cash in on him. Mainly his Godfather and former WKU assistant Shammond Williams. His mother wants him at WKU and not to listen to those other people. But he has a lot of people in his ear.
He has not gotten along with his teammates at WKU because he hasn’t treated many of them with any respect. There is a whole lot more to this saga than what is being reported. The whole team has been better off since he went on “vacation” because he was quickly becoming a cancer in the locker room with his prima donna act.
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BeddieKU23 said:
From a Western Kentucky fan posting in KU board
Has nothing to do with being homesick at all. Has everything to do with him getting bad advice from “handlers” and people trying to cash in on him. Mainly his Godfather and former WKU assistant Shammond Williams. His mother wants him at WKU and not to listen to those other people. But he has a lot of people in his ear.
He has not gotten along with his teammates at WKU because he hasn’t treated many of them with any respect. There is a whole lot more to this saga than what is being reported. The whole team has been better off since he went on “vacation” because he was quickly becoming a cancer in the locker room with his prima donna act.
Obviously some sour grapes but otoh, this might be difficult to take on with the Lawsons already on board.
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Wonder if when all is said and done, Self will think back on his transfer laden teams as fondly as his homegrown teams. I wonder if coaching professionals would be more enjoyable than coaching transfers.
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jayballer54 said:
Well read where we picked up a couple more CB’S for Devon – -that’s my boy - -I know the CB’S are pretty much a mute point, - -well at least for the most part. - -Ayton is solid proof of that as he showed us 100% right up until the end. - -Anyways like I have said many times , Would be really sweet if we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both, add Williams that would be a pretty solid start for next year — -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Did some research. Here’s what led to the change in his CB.
*It’s too soon to draw a red line through Dotson’s name, but after appearing to gain ground on the Charlotte star this summer, it seems his recent research of the roster hasn’t been good for Maryland. The Terps have an entrenched starting point guard in Anthony Cowan, so they’d have to incorporate Dotson with him. Is that a concern?
“Yes, yes it is. I think that he had a pretty good season. They kind of moved Melo off the ball, so [there are] concerns about how they would use him,” Dotson said.
The younger Dotson visited Arizona this week and likely will visit Kansas and Florida before long. A decision might come soon thereafter so that he can claim his spot at whichever school he likes. So Maryland doesn’t have much time to allay their concerns.*
Sounds exactly how KU was recruited against the last few years with Mason/Graham still around in regards to elite PG’s. I also think the Dotson’s don’t have the relationship with Maryland that other schools have even with Wiggins in his ear. Florida is the main danger if the Arizona visit didn’t change things completely.
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FYI Bagley never made it to Arizona for his visit because they are out of scholarships.
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KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
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Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
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BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I’m not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I’d love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Sounds exactly how KU was recruited against the last few years with Mason/Graham still around in regards to elite PG’s. I also think the Dotson’s don’t have the relationship with Maryland that other schools have even with Wiggins in his ear. Florida is the main danger if the Arizona visit didn’t change things completely.
If PT is his only concern, he should pick Florida. It would make the most sense by far since KU has Moore on board already and really wants Grimes.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I’m not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
Yup seems KU kicked the tires but Mathis wants to go somewhere more to his level. I think the KU interest in Locke had something to do with that.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I’d love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
Yeah he probably does include one of them just because that is what kids do to keep people interested. His list will look “boring” without Duke/UK boards thinking they still got him.
I don’t think he’s in any rush to commit and could wait til spring as I’ve mentioned. He keeps deflecting in interviews that KU is the favorite but reiterates KU is on him daily.
Arizona is going to continue selling its soul to land either of Dotson/Grimes. More on Dotson in my next post to your reply.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I’m not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
Yup seems KU kicked the tires but Mathis wants to go somewhere more to his level. I think the KU interest in Locke had something to do with that.
Could be. I think Locke is better. Can’t blame top 100-ish kids that want to go somewhere they won’t get buried on the depth chart.
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I can see Dotson picking Florida if no competition for the PG spot is what he wants. He also has a good relationship with White and the assistants.
Sean Miller has apparently told Dotson that he’s switching to a 2 PG offense so that he can compete with what KU has been doing. Miller has become a lot like Calipari in that he’s just going to tell kids what they want to hear.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I can see Dotson picking Florida if no competition for the PG spot is what he wants. He also has a good relationship with White and the assistants.
Sean Miller has apparently told Dotson that he’s switching to a 2 PG offense so that he can compete with what KU has been doing. Miller has become a lot like Calipari in that he’s just going to tell kids what they want to hear.
I would imagine most coaches do that. But yeah Cal is notorious for it, no surprise Miller is the same way.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I’d love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
You got it all the ones you mentioned & Kentucky. The only school he dropped was Oklahoma. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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