Josh Suspended For 1 Game
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Some clever detail to this one. Had a few laughs reading that one including the suttle jab to Mizzou at the bottom
Front page of the Star today
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@REHawk: āNot a chance that he will avoid future problems off the court. If I am an NBA evaluator Iām beginning to feel reservations about staking a #1 or #2 draft status on this kid. Terrific player with major upside on the court, but a problem child awaiting legal issues outside the gym.ā
BOOM LOWERING by The Coach!
Gulp!
Watch out, Josh!
Coachās are often right about this. This part of coaches is experience AND instinct. Theyāre like well-trained bird dogs. When they go on a hard point youāve got to trust the bird is there.
Go to a therapist NOW, while you still have a chance before the SHTF.
Rock Chalk!
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Youāve been on point about this for awhile. Kudos.
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He made a mistake which he is paying for. He acted, once again, very immaturely. No argument there. Glad that Mayjayās son did the right thing - our son ( Josh ) didnāt do the right thing, and has to sit out a game.
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and could subsequently lose a game because of that mistakeā¦ hope the guys rally around each other today
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Pro teams care primarily about what the player will do on the court. If you donāt think so I have two words for you - Tyreek Hill - apparently the fans donāt care much either. Compared to what Hill did, Jackson is the proverbial altar boy.
Last night the Baylor beat writer was on 610AM and indicated that Jacksonās game most closely resembles Kawhi Leonard, the player many believe to be the best in the NBA. A player with that potential will not be ignored.
Yes, what Jackson did were boneheaded mistakes of an immature teenager. Will they jeopardize his career? Absent any other big issues, absolutely not.
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Early in the season Josh showed his immaturity in getting Tād up all too frequently. Then you listen to him in the post game reports and he sounds very mature, very collected. Then he crashes a car a panics like an immature kid.
What I see are growing pains. I feel he is maturing, but another year in college would do him wonders in the personal growth area. As a basketball player he is ready for the league.
Michael Beasley was extremely immature according to those who knew him. Unfortunetly with all his talent he was unable to get his head on straight and never flourished. I feel Josh will succeed, but Michael is a precautionary tale.
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Has this created the opportunity for KU to lose today and not be penalized a little bit by the selection committee?
Is there someone thinkingā¦ āwe only have 7 tournament-capable players so we donāt need to risk an injury?ā
Inquiring minds want to know.
The only thing I see is Frank Mason. And I believe he has taken my mantra āDone Losināā and has run with it.
Iām looking forward to todayās game. This is an awesome opportunity for Frank and Devonte to reunite as two leaders on this team. I see this as a growth opportunity for both. There is a very good chance we lose Josh in a game or two at sometime in March. Foul trouble is quite possible for Josh. He still shows signs of being a freshman and the pressure is just about to go up.
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@drgnslayr has created an opportunity to throw a well oiled machine out of rhythm.
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Absolutely! And we need these tests. Like I said, it is very likely we will have to go without Josh for chunks of games in March. Time to see what this team is made of.
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Good question. I donāt think weāll get any sympathy if we lost today, coach chose to suspend him.
Iām looking forward to todayās game but Iām nervous at the same time. TCU played us tough this season even with Jackson. The first meeting Josh was in foul trouble, KU still won. 2 things happened in that game where Josh only played 13 minutes- Landen had a huge game 15pts-17rbs, Vick had 17 off the bench.
Vick will start today but there goes our guard depth. So now someone on the bench (Bragg, Coleby, Lightfoot) will play extended minutes leading to more traditional 3-2 offense. Itās likely Graham & Mason play near 40 minutes because thereās no choice. Maybe not a concern today but what about if this team wins today and tomorrow. At some point legs will be a concern. Defensively TCU runs a lot of double stack ball screens which create mismatches on switches. Defense is where the game is todayā¦
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T minus 16 minutes until I officially start not getting any work done for the next month.
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@drgnslayr I donāt think we lose the number one seed if we lose today. The committee looks at the body of workā¦historically hasnāt penalized teams too much for losing in the conference tournament. I believe that we have lost several times in the conference tournament and havenāt lost our number one seed. And I do think they would take into account that we played without Josh anywayā¦I think they have made statements about players being injured, etc. in the past.
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I agree. But it helps that your star all-american has to sit. It makes a perfect excuse to lose and gives the reason why.
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@drgnslayr THIS TEAM WILL NOT LOSE AGAIN THIS YEAR, PERIOD.
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@Hawk8086 I agree. Though I do think we are at risk of losing the number one overall if we lose today but we will still be on the one line.
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@KUSTEVE I would love for you to be right! Man thatās a lot of wins if youāre talking calendar year
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Espn already saying unc #1 over all
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@KUSTEVE said:
@drgnslayr THIS TEAM WILL NOT LOSE AGAIN THIS YEAR, PERIOD.
Unless they have to play WSU.
@BeddieKU23 said:
LOL
If not UNC, Iām sure it would be Duke then Kentucky
ā¦Iā¦donāt evenā¦
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@jaybate-1.0 HA! Right on, jb. I have been there. Have experienced full impact of wayward athletes who forfeited opportunity via poor decision making. Nothing can turn a coach more sour, teammates more dejected. Thirty years after the fact I yet can barely stomach the situation.
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@BShark Maybe you should expand your horizons from the Kansas media. I think it would help you clear your mind.
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Just wonāt go awayā¦
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The thing that stuck out to me in this case is the fact she told police he said this on Jan 30 when the incident happened on Dec 9th and the other two witnesses donāt mention Jackson saying that. It will definitely be interesting to see what comes out in court. You can definitely tell the difference in reporting between the LJW and the KC Star just by reading the articles about the case.
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I hope she signs the f ing waiver so KU can tell the whole truth.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Daddy & Ms Calvert have been spinning this
for months now the 
ļø just keeps on publishing. Trash begates more trash. Trust me, theyāll all shut up 
when the price is right. Bullshit walks & 
talks. Thatās why theyāre still hangin round-waitin for that Escaladeā¦
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@globaljaybird
I think you are right on.
In normal situationsā¦ I typically stick up for women. But when they go out and cause trouble, they are on their own, just like a guy would be if he did the same thing.
So this player is in a bar and throws a drink in Vickās face. Really? And he and his pals should just take that because she is a woman? No way.
Now she has a problem because she alleged she was threatened. So now she wants to be treated as if she is a lady when she instigated all of this by being trash. She canāt have it both ways.
If the story was differentā¦ a nice young lady just stepped out of church and is accosted by one of our playersā¦ threatened and her car damagedā¦ yeahā¦ that would be a huge problem.
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@drgnslayr I feel like I can validate this since I am a girl and Iād certainly stand up for womenās rights. Things donāt add up here and Ive heard to many things against this girl.
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I only had one siblingā¦ a sister. Between her and my mother I was raised to respect women. And I do. Neither of them would be throwing a drink in a manās face at a bar. And Iām sure there were other things involved here, tooā¦ bad language and pushing and threatsā¦ all the way around.
At a certain point I lose respect. Doesnāt mean I would hit or threaten her or kick her car. I wouldnāt. But once Iāve lose respect then Iām neutral on my chivalry.
This girl may or may not have a case. But what is clear is her and her dad have no empathy for Kansas basketball fans and the program. They could have done all of this in a way to minimalize the damage to everyone not involved in their case but it is clear they donāt care.
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@drgnslayr My gut feeling is theyāll take money from the source (Josh) because that will be easier to be successful, then sue the university for some type of discrimination, keeping it in the news with all the public pressure & neg publicity on KU. I think itās rather obvious that is their legal plan going forward. This continual media onslaught may all be part of their legal posturing to try & milk KU. After all, sheās not a very good player so unless she gets a degree her earning power likely will be nil. IDK all the circumstances here & hope Iām wrong, but this whole situation reeks of the mentality of a āperpetual victimā. Josh was clearly wrong as hell, but sounds like missy didnāt exactly shy away from the spat either. JMO
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@globaljaybird
This situation is pretty complicated because the claims by this woman and her dad are all over the place. They are talking about a violation of Title IX, right?
If that is the case, and if they take that path it is completely different than a civil case with Josh. And there is no reason to think they might not go after more than one path.
What is clear is they feel like āvictimsā regardless of what she did in this. And it is clear she participated in elevating this situation.
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@drgnslayr good points @globaljaybird I think alot depends on the initial report. They say something else bad every other week it sounds made up. She could very easily be charged with assault for throwingā a drink in Vicks face. In regards to the mistreatment, I think a judge will get a good laugh outta it. Her minutes didnāt drop til 11 games after the incident. She her self has had some issues as well Iām sure JJ lawyerās have a pretty strong case to just pay for the damage done and move on instead of acting like a 3 year.
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I have a question and hopefully someone has the answer. Since these events took place well outside the campus and KU control and while students were on their own and not in any official school eventā¦does Title IX even apply?
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@JayHawkFanToo good question
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Itās a sad situation. This is where society has gone today.
I like what Zenger did by saying sign the waiver and weāll talk because clearly everything being printed negatively about Jackson and the University is not the whole story.
The affidavit also made things seem a lot more clouded then once thought. It makes me think Jacksonās lawyer is going to have a lot of ammunition to get whatever charges heās facing dropped.
This father/daughter are clearly nut jobs at this point. Weāve seen enough put out there to challenge the credibility of their mental thinking.
Regardless, this is going to impact Jacksonās draft stock which I think is part of the ultimate end game for these people. They know heās a star going to the league and no matter if this is dropped or not teams are going to be putting up possible red flags on him. Youāll see news articles online heading into the draft talking about āpossible red flagsā, āJackson must ace interviews to put behind off-the-court issuesā etc, something like that. ESPN will run with it as they have every pathetic headline the Star releases without actually fact checking them. ESPN is hurting just as bad as the Star is financially. Itās a good lesson for the University, Bill Self and especially Josh & Vick that everything they do is under the public eyeā¦
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@JayHawkFanToo I thought that the issue is how the 2 were treated by the Univeristyā¦they are claiming she was treated harsher than Jackson.
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@Hawk8086 the question is, how many priors did she have before this incident? If she signs the waiver they can address the punishment. Each coach can punish how they see fit. KU is bound legally, dad is flapping his jaws knowing they canāt talk about her priors unless she signs. Each game we win the
ļø And dad will add to the story. Dad is to busy to talk to SZ but can run his mouth to the ļø
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Exactly weāll see a story Saturday, next Wednesday etcā¦
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This about sums it up
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Oh and worth mentioning, the cops found tail light pieces by her car after she had left/moved. Soooo itās quite possible that she did it herself to cover herself a bit.
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The whole thing just smells of BS.
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How exactly was she punished harder? She was initially suspended and the suspension lifted shortly after and she did no miss any games. She continued to play extended minutes (contrarily to what she said) for a while and even tied her season high minutes long after the incident; her playing time decreased once her game went south in conference play. In fact, one could say she was not punished at all. The LJW had an excellent article with actual numbers that absolutely destroyed her case.
My question still isā¦does Title IX applies for events outside campus and when the individuals are in their own time and not in any school sponsored or associated events?
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@JayHawkFanToo Why wouldnāt it? It is a statute addressing the treatment of men and women at universities. If the university takes action based on events outside campus, it is the action taken that is in the purview of the law.
Relationships between students arising from their status as students have a direct effect on their ability to succeed in school. That is why Title IX gets into those thingsāin the extreme examples giving rise to this concern, abusive behavior off-campus can prevent someone from attending. Schools have an interest in keeping their students safe, and for too long schools ignored reports of gender violence. Witness Baylor.
This is just an off the cuff answer. I do not guarantee 100% accuracy! Do not quote me!
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Butā¦the individuals in question were not on campus or under any control of the university or in any shool sponsored function and they were not acting as students or school representatives but as private individual at a private, off campus location. It would seem like a huge overreach to apply Title IX to apply under these circumstances.
If this applies, where does it stop? How about a guy and a girl that donāt know each other get into an argument at a bar at the Power and Light district in KCMO and later they find out they both attend KU, should a Title IX apply? How about if they attend different schools?
It would seem to me that this starts a slippery slope of government overreach and intrusion into private affairs by forcing a school or schools to intervene where the local law agencies would be the logical recourse.
It appears to me that the girl that started the entire episode is desperately trying to justify her own misguided actions born out of jealousy and extend her 15 minutes of fame and her angle appears to be leverage against future millionaire Josh Jackson and wants to use the school to further her personal agenda. Just my opinion.
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Hereās what has been said by the 3 female players that line up so Iām inclined to believe these parts. Vick was at Yatch Club with Jackson and some girls (his new GF), and as Calvert and her friends were leaving, she went up and threw a drink in Vickās face and left. Jackson followed after them and Calvert and Jackson were chirping at one another. They were still chirping at each other as Calvert tried to back up. Jackson then kicked her door and broke the tail light That much has been corroborated by all parties involved so that is what Iām willing to believe since thereās multiple witnesses with the same basic story and is 90 of the story.
The other 10% is Jackson threatening to ābeat her assā and Calvert is the only one who said that. Neither of the other two girls involved mentioned that so unless Jackson said it very quietly, and that doesnāt line up with everything else out there, Iām not too inclined to believe that part of the story.
Hereās what I think happened based on whatās out there. Vick and Jackson, along with Vickās new girlfriend go to Yatch Club, later in the night, Calvert, and two of her teammates decide to go there as where, probably not aware that Vick is there with his new GF. When the girls get to Yatch Club, Calvert sees Vick with his new GF, Vick sees her and starts rubbing it in/taunting Calvert. This pisses Calvert off and as sheās leaving, she decides to do something about it and throws a drink in Vickās face. Vick was probably going to let it slide because he had made his point already. Jackson decided he wasnāt going to let it slide so he follows Calvert outside and he and Calvert get into it verbally. Manning-Allen is trying to calm Jackson down while Calvertās roommate is trying to get Calvert out of there.
I think Jackson and Calvert are equally at fault for this situation because theyāre both pretty hot headed individuals. Vick was being an ass that night to Calvert showing off woth his new GF with her watching and Calvertās teammates did nothing wrong as they were trying to keep two combustible people apart as best they could.
I think the situation was handled about as well as it could have been by the outside parties involved. The stories pretty much confirm Jackson messed up the driverās door and taillights while other did the rest of the damage to Calvertās car.
Calvert is lucky Vick chose not to press charges against her for throwing the drink in his face, amd Calvertās dad just needs to shut the hell up.
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āThis father/daughter are clearly nut jobs at this point. Weāve seen enough put out there to challenge the credibility of their mental thinking.ā
I can understand their desire to get her car fixed. Anything beyond that is pure opportunism. They see he is months away from a 7-figure paycheck and they want some.
I donāt think what has happened so far will really damage Joshās future. At least, not for basketball contracts. I doubt it will even hurt his endorsement potential unless he continues to get in trouble. We forget he is just a kid still. He was new on this team and he was sticking up for his bros.
This all is very petty compared to other trouble players around the country have gotten in to.
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āI think a judge will get a good laugh outta it.ā
Back in my day I bounced at several bars for 7 or 8 years. We had to deal with this kind of stuff all the time.
As far as the threat from Josh to ākick her assāā¦ from my experience, judges basically treat someone who only verbally threatens someone outside a bar as a hero. It is obvious there is big time stuff going on when outside a bar, and to limit it to verbal yada-yada is a positive versus violence or other crimes. But my experiences with this dates back to the 80s. Times have changedā¦
