Josh Suspended For 1 Game
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Has this created the opportunity for KU to lose today and not be penalized a little bit by the selection committee?
Is there someone thinking… “we only have 7 tournament-capable players so we don’t need to risk an injury?”
Inquiring minds want to know.
The only thing I see is Frank Mason. And I believe he has taken my mantra “Done Losin’” and has run with it.
I’m looking forward to today’s game. This is an awesome opportunity for Frank and Devonte to reunite as two leaders on this team. I see this as a growth opportunity for both. There is a very good chance we lose Josh in a game or two at sometime in March. Foul trouble is quite possible for Josh. He still shows signs of being a freshman and the pressure is just about to go up.
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@drgnslayr has created an opportunity to throw a well oiled machine out of rhythm.
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Absolutely! And we need these tests. Like I said, it is very likely we will have to go without Josh for chunks of games in March. Time to see what this team is made of.
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Good question. I don’t think we’ll get any sympathy if we lost today, coach chose to suspend him.
I’m looking forward to today’s game but I’m nervous at the same time. TCU played us tough this season even with Jackson. The first meeting Josh was in foul trouble, KU still won. 2 things happened in that game where Josh only played 13 minutes- Landen had a huge game 15pts-17rbs, Vick had 17 off the bench.
Vick will start today but there goes our guard depth. So now someone on the bench (Bragg, Coleby, Lightfoot) will play extended minutes leading to more traditional 3-2 offense. It’s likely Graham & Mason play near 40 minutes because there’s no choice. Maybe not a concern today but what about if this team wins today and tomorrow. At some point legs will be a concern. Defensively TCU runs a lot of double stack ball screens which create mismatches on switches. Defense is where the game is today…
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T minus 16 minutes until I officially start not getting any work done for the next month.
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@drgnslayr I don’t think we lose the number one seed if we lose today. The committee looks at the body of work…historically hasn’t penalized teams too much for losing in the conference tournament. I believe that we have lost several times in the conference tournament and haven’t lost our number one seed. And I do think they would take into account that we played without Josh anyway…I think they have made statements about players being injured, etc. in the past.
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I agree. But it helps that your star all-american has to sit. It makes a perfect excuse to lose and gives the reason why.
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@drgnslayr THIS TEAM WILL NOT LOSE AGAIN THIS YEAR, PERIOD.
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@Hawk8086 I agree. Though I do think we are at risk of losing the number one overall if we lose today but we will still be on the one line.
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@KUSTEVE I would love for you to be right! Man that’s a lot of wins if you’re talking calendar year
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Espn already saying unc #1 over all
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@KUSTEVE said:
@drgnslayr THIS TEAM WILL NOT LOSE AGAIN THIS YEAR, PERIOD.
Unless they have to play WSU.
@BeddieKU23 said:
LOL
If not UNC, I’m sure it would be Duke then Kentucky
…I…don’t even…
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@jaybate-1.0 HA! Right on, jb. I have been there. Have experienced full impact of wayward athletes who forfeited opportunity via poor decision making. Nothing can turn a coach more sour, teammates more dejected. Thirty years after the fact I yet can barely stomach the situation.
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@BShark Maybe you should expand your horizons from the Kansas media. I think it would help you clear your mind.
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Just won’t go away…
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The thing that stuck out to me in this case is the fact she told police he said this on Jan 30 when the incident happened on Dec 9th and the other two witnesses don’t mention Jackson saying that. It will definitely be interesting to see what comes out in court. You can definitely tell the difference in reporting between the LJW and the KC Star just by reading the articles about the case.
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I hope she signs the f ing waiver so KU can tell the whole truth.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Daddy & Ms Calvert have been spinning this
for months now the 
️ just keeps on publishing. Trash begates more trash. Trust me, they’ll all shut up 
when the price is right. Bullshit walks & 
talks. That’s why they’re still hangin round-waitin for that Escalade…
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@globaljaybird
I think you are right on.
In normal situations… I typically stick up for women. But when they go out and cause trouble, they are on their own, just like a guy would be if he did the same thing.
So this player is in a bar and throws a drink in Vick’s face. Really? And he and his pals should just take that because she is a woman? No way.
Now she has a problem because she alleged she was threatened. So now she wants to be treated as if she is a lady when she instigated all of this by being trash. She can’t have it both ways.
If the story was different… a nice young lady just stepped out of church and is accosted by one of our players… threatened and her car damaged… yeah… that would be a huge problem.
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@drgnslayr I feel like I can validate this since I am a girl and I’d certainly stand up for women’s rights. Things don’t add up here and Ive heard to many things against this girl.
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I only had one sibling… a sister. Between her and my mother I was raised to respect women. And I do. Neither of them would be throwing a drink in a man’s face at a bar. And I’m sure there were other things involved here, too… bad language and pushing and threats… all the way around.
At a certain point I lose respect. Doesn’t mean I would hit or threaten her or kick her car. I wouldn’t. But once I’ve lose respect then I’m neutral on my chivalry.
This girl may or may not have a case. But what is clear is her and her dad have no empathy for Kansas basketball fans and the program. They could have done all of this in a way to minimalize the damage to everyone not involved in their case but it is clear they don’t care.
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@drgnslayr My gut feeling is they’ll take money from the source (Josh) because that will be easier to be successful, then sue the university for some type of discrimination, keeping it in the news with all the public pressure & neg publicity on KU. I think it’s rather obvious that is their legal plan going forward. This continual media onslaught may all be part of their legal posturing to try & milk KU. After all, she’s not a very good player so unless she gets a degree her earning power likely will be nil. IDK all the circumstances here & hope I’m wrong, but this whole situation reeks of the mentality of a “perpetual victim”. Josh was clearly wrong as hell, but sounds like missy didn’t exactly shy away from the spat either. JMO
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@globaljaybird
This situation is pretty complicated because the claims by this woman and her dad are all over the place. They are talking about a violation of Title IX, right?
If that is the case, and if they take that path it is completely different than a civil case with Josh. And there is no reason to think they might not go after more than one path.
What is clear is they feel like “victims” regardless of what she did in this. And it is clear she participated in elevating this situation.
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@drgnslayr good points @globaljaybird I think alot depends on the initial report. They say something else bad every other week it sounds made up. She could very easily be charged with assault for throwing a drink in Vicks face. In regards to the mistreatment, I think a judge will get a good laugh outta it. Her minutes didn’t drop til 11 games after the incident. She her self has had some issues as well I’m sure JJ lawyer’s have a pretty strong case to just pay for the damage done and move on instead of acting like a 3 year.
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I have a question and hopefully someone has the answer. Since these events took place well outside the campus and KU control and while students were on their own and not in any official school event…does Title IX even apply?
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@JayHawkFanToo good question
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It’s a sad situation. This is where society has gone today.
I like what Zenger did by saying sign the waiver and we’ll talk because clearly everything being printed negatively about Jackson and the University is not the whole story.
The affidavit also made things seem a lot more clouded then once thought. It makes me think Jackson’s lawyer is going to have a lot of ammunition to get whatever charges he’s facing dropped.
This father/daughter are clearly nut jobs at this point. We’ve seen enough put out there to challenge the credibility of their mental thinking.
Regardless, this is going to impact Jackson’s draft stock which I think is part of the ultimate end game for these people. They know he’s a star going to the league and no matter if this is dropped or not teams are going to be putting up possible red flags on him. You’ll see news articles online heading into the draft talking about “possible red flags”, “Jackson must ace interviews to put behind off-the-court issues” etc, something like that. ESPN will run with it as they have every pathetic headline the Star releases without actually fact checking them. ESPN is hurting just as bad as the Star is financially. It’s a good lesson for the University, Bill Self and especially Josh & Vick that everything they do is under the public eye…
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@JayHawkFanToo I thought that the issue is how the 2 were treated by the Univeristy…they are claiming she was treated harsher than Jackson.
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@Hawk8086 the question is, how many priors did she have before this incident? If she signs the waiver they can address the punishment. Each coach can punish how they see fit. KU is bound legally, dad is flapping his jaws knowing they can’t talk about her priors unless she signs. Each game we win the
️ And dad will add to the story. Dad is to busy to talk to SZ but can run his mouth to the ️
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Exactly we’ll see a story Saturday, next Wednesday etc…
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This about sums it up
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Oh and worth mentioning, the cops found tail light pieces by her car after she had left/moved. Soooo it’s quite possible that she did it herself to cover herself a bit.
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The whole thing just smells of BS.
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How exactly was she punished harder? She was initially suspended and the suspension lifted shortly after and she did no miss any games. She continued to play extended minutes (contrarily to what she said) for a while and even tied her season high minutes long after the incident; her playing time decreased once her game went south in conference play. In fact, one could say she was not punished at all. The LJW had an excellent article with actual numbers that absolutely destroyed her case.
My question still is…does Title IX applies for events outside campus and when the individuals are in their own time and not in any school sponsored or associated events?
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@JayHawkFanToo Why wouldn’t it? It is a statute addressing the treatment of men and women at universities. If the university takes action based on events outside campus, it is the action taken that is in the purview of the law.
Relationships between students arising from their status as students have a direct effect on their ability to succeed in school. That is why Title IX gets into those things–in the extreme examples giving rise to this concern, abusive behavior off-campus can prevent someone from attending. Schools have an interest in keeping their students safe, and for too long schools ignored reports of gender violence. Witness Baylor.
This is just an off the cuff answer. I do not guarantee 100% accuracy! Do not quote me!
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But…the individuals in question were not on campus or under any control of the university or in any shool sponsored function and they were not acting as students or school representatives but as private individual at a private, off campus location. It would seem like a huge overreach to apply Title IX to apply under these circumstances.
If this applies, where does it stop? How about a guy and a girl that don’t know each other get into an argument at a bar at the Power and Light district in KCMO and later they find out they both attend KU, should a Title IX apply? How about if they attend different schools?
It would seem to me that this starts a slippery slope of government overreach and intrusion into private affairs by forcing a school or schools to intervene where the local law agencies would be the logical recourse.
It appears to me that the girl that started the entire episode is desperately trying to justify her own misguided actions born out of jealousy and extend her 15 minutes of fame and her angle appears to be leverage against future millionaire Josh Jackson and wants to use the school to further her personal agenda. Just my opinion.
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Here’s what has been said by the 3 female players that line up so I’m inclined to believe these parts. Vick was at Yatch Club with Jackson and some girls (his new GF), and as Calvert and her friends were leaving, she went up and threw a drink in Vick’s face and left. Jackson followed after them and Calvert and Jackson were chirping at one another. They were still chirping at each other as Calvert tried to back up. Jackson then kicked her door and broke the tail light That much has been corroborated by all parties involved so that is what I’m willing to believe since there’s multiple witnesses with the same basic story and is 90 of the story.
The other 10% is Jackson threatening to “beat her ass” and Calvert is the only one who said that. Neither of the other two girls involved mentioned that so unless Jackson said it very quietly, and that doesn’t line up with everything else out there, I’m not too inclined to believe that part of the story.
Here’s what I think happened based on what’s out there. Vick and Jackson, along with Vick’s new girlfriend go to Yatch Club, later in the night, Calvert, and two of her teammates decide to go there as where, probably not aware that Vick is there with his new GF. When the girls get to Yatch Club, Calvert sees Vick with his new GF, Vick sees her and starts rubbing it in/taunting Calvert. This pisses Calvert off and as she’s leaving, she decides to do something about it and throws a drink in Vick’s face. Vick was probably going to let it slide because he had made his point already. Jackson decided he wasn’t going to let it slide so he follows Calvert outside and he and Calvert get into it verbally. Manning-Allen is trying to calm Jackson down while Calvert’s roommate is trying to get Calvert out of there.
I think Jackson and Calvert are equally at fault for this situation because they’re both pretty hot headed individuals. Vick was being an ass that night to Calvert showing off woth his new GF with her watching and Calvert’s teammates did nothing wrong as they were trying to keep two combustible people apart as best they could.
I think the situation was handled about as well as it could have been by the outside parties involved. The stories pretty much confirm Jackson messed up the driver’s door and taillights while other did the rest of the damage to Calvert’s car.
Calvert is lucky Vick chose not to press charges against her for throwing the drink in his face, amd Calvert’s dad just needs to shut the hell up.
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“This father/daughter are clearly nut jobs at this point. We’ve seen enough put out there to challenge the credibility of their mental thinking.”
I can understand their desire to get her car fixed. Anything beyond that is pure opportunism. They see he is months away from a 7-figure paycheck and they want some.
I don’t think what has happened so far will really damage Josh’s future. At least, not for basketball contracts. I doubt it will even hurt his endorsement potential unless he continues to get in trouble. We forget he is just a kid still. He was new on this team and he was sticking up for his bros.
This all is very petty compared to other trouble players around the country have gotten in to.
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“I think a judge will get a good laugh outta it.”
Back in my day I bounced at several bars for 7 or 8 years. We had to deal with this kind of stuff all the time.
As far as the threat from Josh to “kick her ass”… from my experience, judges basically treat someone who only verbally threatens someone outside a bar as a hero. It is obvious there is big time stuff going on when outside a bar, and to limit it to verbal yada-yada is a positive versus violence or other crimes. But my experiences with this dates back to the 80s. Times have changed…
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@drgnslayr Ya if we start arrest folks for saying they’ll kick someones a$$, we need much much more prisons.
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@kjayhawks Technically what Josh Jackson did could be classified as harassment which is illegal. I’m assuming jail time isn’t a penalty, but probably a fine, probation, and anger management or stuff along those lines is probably the common punishment.
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Why is this thread still going? Kill it!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 be nice if the whole story came out. She started it and ran her mouth. She’s not a very nice gal! I hope the whole world find out about her.
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@kjayhawks said:
@drgnslayr Ya if we start arrest folks for saying they’ll kick someones a$$, we need much much more prisons.
When it is accompanied by kicking the hell out of the person’s car, while that person is in it, the courts might take it a lot more seriously.
Communication of a conditional threat like this (if one occurred, which is only alleged by one of 3 witnesses) is always treated more seriously if it occurs under conditions where it is more likely to occur.
For example, if I say to my brother who is 1050 miles away, “Say that to my face and I will beat your face in,” no one will consider it likely to occur. But if I say in his presence, “If you stand up, I will beat your face in,” then that is likely treated as a more likely, i.e., more serious, threat, and would be more deserving of possible charges.
An interesting aspect to the alleged Josh threat is that if it occurred, Calvert’s friends either did not hear it (not in their statements) or did not think of it as a statement of actual intent to harm, since by all accounts they tried to physically stop Josh from attacking the car. If I heard and saw someone his size in full rage mode promising to hurt someone who was in a position of relative safety, I would think twice about confronting him lest the anger get turned on me.
Just like the amount of damages, I think the police did not believe that statement could be proven in court. Otherwise, I cannot imagine why they did not charge him with an additional count, which in many places would be communication of a threat or in some, terroristic threats. (Not the international type – this is the type that means intentionally scaring the hell out of somebody.)
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@mayjay true but I’m not buying it highly doubt a judge will ether. All of the sudden 3 and a half months later “he threatened to beat me up”. I wish the news outlets would stop with publishing one side of a story that nothing has been proven besides her throwing a drink and him kicking a car. But it goes in tune with the media these days. If a person watches the news they are misinformed most of the time that’s why I don’t watch the junk. It always about rumors or some sort of conflict proven or not.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think the affidavit provides enough of a picture to figure what happened which is that Lagerald and Josh were out, Lagerald was there with his new GF and when Calvert and her teammates arrived and were noticed by Lagerald, he started rubbing his new GF in Calvert’s face which ticked her off so at the end of the night, she threw a drink in his face as retaliation and then Josh did want to let it go. Basically, it was 3 people (Calvert, Jackson, and Vick) being immature about the Calvert/Vick break up and is something that is a fairly common sight when you have kids and alcohol mixed together. It really isn’t the big deal that the media has been making it out to be and Calvert’s dad really is the only reason this story is still going.
