Cliff, Wayne, Perry



  • Just a note on where they are:

    Cliff Alexander, Erie Bayhawks

    GP     GS      MIN      PTs      REB      AST
     6      6      32.5     13.3     12.2     1.2
    

    Wayne Selden, Iowa Energy

     GP    GS       MIN      PTs     REB       AST
     12     9       33.3     19.1    5.6       3.2
    

    Perry Ellis, Greensboro Swarm

     GP    GS       MIN       PTs     REB      AST
     12     2       20.2      6.7     4.2      0.5


  • I think Wayne might be able to earn a roster spot next season.

    Perry needs to go overseas. Wonder who is giving him the advice to stay in the D-League…

    Cliff showing he would have been a first round pick had his family not done what they did. Averaging a double double… he would have easily been doing the same in CBB as a sophomore or junior. I wonder what this team would look like with a double double machine holding down the post.



  • @Ralph

    Thanks for posting that.

    I’m curious how Perry is being utilized. He is such a polished scorer… seems he should be averaging more points.

    At only 20 minutes a game, he must not be one of their main go-to guys.



  • I would be curious if anyone has info on how many undrafted players eventually make it to the NBA and stick after a stint in the D-League. Is it the proving ground it is purported to be or does it just stigmatize guys with a “damaged goods” label?



  • @tis4tim

    http://dleague.nba.com/faq/

    1. How many NBA Development League players have made it to the NBA?

    An all-time high 135 players with NBA D-League experience were on NBA rosters at the start of the 2016-17 regular season, representing 30 percent of the league.

    This group includes both players who were assigned from the NBA to the NBA D-League and players who were called up from the NBA D-League to the NBA at some point in their careers.

    At least 30 NBA D-League prospects have been called up to the NBA in each of the past five seasons. A record 68 NBA players were assigned to the NBA D-League an all-time high 321 total times in 2015-16.

    I think it would be hard to track how many stick.



  • read where Diallo played 19 pts - -10 rebounds 1 assist in 31 minutes we shall see - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • I really think Wayne has the best shot of this group to make an NBA roster. Perry and Cliff will most likely end up over seas, which isn’t always bad Langford has had a great career and made good money over there.



  • We are a better team with JJ than we were with Wayne. Wish all McDAAs could play like JJ. How rare is it for a frosh to function like JJ in Self’s system? Ultra-rare.

    Now I see what Calipari expects out of his frosh heavy squads. His heavy hauls usually net 2-3 players that can play right away like JJ, and if a couple more are close, that all-frosh-chemistry can force everybody to be better, especially by March. That’s how he does it.



  • @ralster Regarding Josh, I view him as the absolutely best find, best fit, in the Bill Self Jayhawk Era. Wiggins and Embiid were very talented recruits, well on their way to professional stardom. This kid Jackson was MADE for Jayhawk Hoops under the tutelage of Bill Self. A rare gem indeed.



  • Diallo have any stats worth sharing?



  • @wissox

    12pts 6 rbs 2 blks in NBA DL.

    19 & 10 in his first game with real minutes in the NBA against the Clippers

    He made a whole bunch of jumpers and was active



  • @BeddieKU23 Anthony Davis was inactive that game giving Diallo a chance to prove himself. Hopefully it earned him some more minutes.



  • @Ralph

    Likely he won’t with the way Davis is playing at an All-Star Level and is the only Pelican with a pulse this year. It was nice to see Diallo produce given the chance.



  • @BeddieKU23 I agree he won’t take minutes from AD, but maybe from the backup PF forget his name. Even if he gets assigned to a Dleague team he needs PT to develop.



  • @Ralph

    The Pelicans are already at a point where Diallo should stay where he is after the way he played last night. There’s value to letting him play in some role because the season is already lost for New Orleans. Play your young talent and hope he can find a rotation spot in the 2nd unit or if an injury occurred the chance to start



  • @BeddieKU23 they play Phoenix at 7:30



  • @REHawk Agree totally about JJ. Best playing frosh Ive seen under Self. He actually makes the team function better–on both ends of the floor. Never seen that out of any level frosh in Self’s 13yrs at KU. His length + athleticism are great, but his court-vision and inner drive and instincts simply make him amazing to watch. And, his 3ball is only going to get better…



  • @BeddieKU23

    I will never comment on basketball again because I know nothing about this game. If you had bet me that some day, especially this year, that Cheick would have a double double in the NBA you could have probably won my house! I wouldn’t have given him a chance to ever score more than a few points.



  • @Ralph

    Thanks for posting the info. I know of some players who have bounced back and forth but Im not certain of how many have managed to unpack their bags and stay. I suppose the money most fringe players can make overseas is too attractive to pass up.



  • @wissox

    I agree I would have taken that bet as well. He was given an opportunity and really made the most of it. He made I think 6 jumpers and had one play where he drove the lane left handed and finished with his left and it was a thing of beauty to see. He looked more comfortable is the pace of the NBA game.

    He played again last night but Davis was back and only got 9 minutes- 4 pts 4 boards effort. He’ll need to show more to take Terrance Jones’s spot in the rotation otherwise those are the kind of minutes he’ll get if he’s still with the Pelicans



  • @BeddieKU23 4 pts, 4 rebs in 9 minutes will get him a lot more looks over time. Certainly beats his DNP stats from earlier.

    Get a rep as a reliable sub and you will get your chances.



  • @wissox I had figured that a few years down the way Cheick was likely to make his mark. But to glean a double double THIS YEAR? WOW! A crime that his year at Kansas was scotched by shaky NCAA sanctions. We might have been offered the chance to see some explosive stuff from that 7’4" wingspan and Kevin Young type zeal. In the final analysis, the governing body did much to detract from excitement of the college hoops game, esp. for diehard Kansas fans. Cheick bore some thrilling promise right from the getgo.



  • @REHawk Maybe Bill Self doesn’t know what he’s doing Smiley Face



  • @wissox Bill and staff are very unique in constant tendencies to unearth potentially terrific players who either started playing the game late in physical development or who gained experience in smaller or far away venues.



  • Cheick Diallo vs Clippers

    19 points (8-15 FG) (3-6 FT) 10 rebounds 2 steals 1 assist https://t.co/xmtMhU7SsO



  • Not surprised to see Cliff and Diallo playing well. Both of those guys have a ton of physical talent. Remember, there are a finite number of people on this planet with the physical gifts to play in the NBA, or even the D-League. Cliff and Cheick both have NBA talent.

    Cheick, with that developing jumper, can be a stretch four, kind of a poor man’s Serge Ibaka.

    Cliff is probably going to develop into a Tristan Thompson type rebounder/defender. He’s strong enough to go against true centers even though he isn’t as tall, and his long arms help him match up there, plus he can still handle 4’s. There’s a place in the NBA for him.



  • Oubre is doing great too!



  • Dleague featured video - All-Access: Iowa Energy Prospect Wayne Selden Jr.

    His team will also be playing on espnews on the 27th at 8pm and again on Jan 20th at 1230 pm on espnu



  • 22 points for Perry today…he is starting to hit his stride…



  • Looked like normal perry. If he makes that 3 on the regular he will improve his stock



  • Anyone else recall the days when fans used to doubt Bill Self’s judgement about who should and shouldn’t play on his rosters?

    Remember all the guys that just needed the PT to be NBA track players.

    Self has to deal with these phenoms every season–these guys that are going to be NBA stars in a year–and most of them he has to tell them learn to play first.

    Fans say, but Bill, this kid is ready to play right now. He is going to be a star in the NBA. He was in the top 100.

    Ummmm, VERY few guys make it big in the NBA from ANY program in the country. During the Long stack era that only lasted a couple of years, the long stack schools did have quite a few draft choices. But, my god, how many of the long stack school players actually turned into NBA stars? Not that many. Half maybe? More like a quarter probably.

    And among the rest of the short stacks like KU? Its slim.

    Self has a lot of NBA players, but to be a star is really scarce.

    The ratio of washouts and journeyman to NBA starters and stars is super high.

    The three KU players mentioned above were all fine prospects. Perry made himself into a fine college basketball player. But the NBA is just like an exo-league, or something. The guys are just unbelievably good at that level.



  • I do like Cliff’s chances for getting to the L one day. Rebounding and defending can always find a spot at the end of the bench.


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