Ingram Token Sign or The Real Deal
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My feeling is the KU shirt to school on Friday means Ingram was at the end of his clothes cycle and all his other shirts were in the wash.
I also think the refs step in and send him to Duke.
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I’m leaving my heart out of this and going with my head…
If I’m not mistaken, he was always a UNC fan. Right?
So meanwhile it appears UNC will face some heavy NCAA sanctions… could be tomorrow or could be 10 years from now. UNC also had the “liar situation” that made things sticky. Enough negative has happened here to question UNC as his first pick.
If Brandon is really a UNC fan, could he ever think about going to Duke or NCState? No. That’s like asking any of you in here if you want to join up with the Antlers over at the trailer park in Columbia or the Purple Kitty Kats and their 4H meetings.
Therefore… Brandon should be between UNC and an out-of-state school. Kentucky? I seriously doubt that. The only reason a kid goes to Kentucky is when they have the momentum of signing everyone else and the mentality is “come to Kentucky because we are going to win a NC next year!” Kentucky could be NIT bound again next year because Calipari only has one giant leap of talent over everyone else this time.
We’ve seen Duke put on the full court press and that makes the media side with Duke. Seems if the kid was that flexible to go to Duke, it wouldn’t take this kind of effort.
I’m not going to jinx this with my prediction illustrated in %s. I’m only illustrating where my head is on this.
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I feel Brandon was going to UNC before the recent issues. After UNC eliminated themselves it opened things up. I feel he really wants to stay in-state. So I’m going to say 51% Duke, 49% KU.
These comments are open to interpretation:
The bottom line on his decision was provided to Zagsblog.com by his dad.
“We have done our homework. I think the decision he makes Monday when he makes the announcement will be very satisfactory to everyone. What we’re asking is we know a lot of people are institution fans, whether its Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, Kansas, Kentucky, you are a fan of the institution. We are asking regardless of where he goes to continue to be a Brandon Ingram fan. You don’t have to be a fan of where he goes; you can still be a Brandon Ingram fan. That’s all we ask. We appreciate the support everyone has given us and we’re going to continue to support him,” Donald told the website.
So if Brandon wants to cause the least amount of in-state angst and wants to retain the most Brandon Ingram fans, he has to go to KU. This hurts the other schools the least. I just don’t know if he’s willing to leave the state. I will be extremely excited if he signs with KU!
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@truehawk93 So, we’re probly not going to get this guy then? I still like KU’s chances, especially considering our new building, new 3 man U status. I dont care what the experts say. Theyre all guessing. Only Ingram knows where he is going. If he picks KU, then holy cow that will be awesome! Regardless of where he goes, will he be the #1 pick in next years draft? Does he have that potential?
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He could have that potential if his College play exceeds even his new top 5 status. His frame is likely to be his biggest issue going forward as anyone can tell he’s a couple years from putting any serious muscle on. Simmons, Slab & Brown seem to be the trendy picks right now for 2016 top pick.
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…I see what you did there, nice move.
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I’m jumping on your “reverse jinx” bandwagon! He is going to declare to NCSU, UNC, Duke and UK… all of them, today! The media will freak out and so will all these schools.
He wore the KU shirt on Friday just because he felt a bit guilty for cutting KU out of the mix.
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I have a feeling it will be KU and will be thrilled if it is. Brandon seems like a really good kid and I think would be a great addition to the Jayhawk family.
Like was mentioned above, his first choice is probably UNC being that he is a fan but its too risky of a choice with the pending NCAA issue. And if you’re a UNC fan, could you really pick Duke? Roy may be the coach at UNC but his heart is still at KU and I think Brandon has seen why. The biggest clue for me is looking at his twitter feed and seeing all of the current Kansas players that he follows. Many more than any other program. I think he bonded well with the team on his visit and is his next best choice.
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IMHO, he was always UNC fan and likely it was his original destination but the cloud of sanctions makes it now an iffy destination; if he was going to go to UNC he would have announced a long time ago. NC State is not elite enough and likely out of the run.
This leaves Duke and KU, although the Squid might have some salary cap left and you never know how and when he will use it.
KU is a destination that makes sense, He would develop his game, particularly defense (which the NBA is starting to appreciate), depending on Greene’s and Svi’s progress, he wold have plenty of playing time, exposure comparable or better to any other program in the land, great new digs, a prime-time PG to feed him the ball and the best athletic trainer in the business. If KU gets Diallo as well, there is no question that they would be in the conversation for the Title.
At Duke, he will be the crown jewel for a program that just won the National Championship and all the playing time he wants; with him and a newly signed PG (although unproven) that was recruited just to feed him the ball, Duke is once again a national contender. No question that the benefits are comparable to KU plus he gets to stay in state and get the East Coast press.
If I were a betting man, I would say the edge goes to Duke where he will get plenty of playing time and press. At KU he will also get a lot of press (but not as much) and become better player, but he will have to earn the playing time, Having said that it would not surprise much either way…of course I would much rather prefer he chooses KU.
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I think KU has a good chance to land Ingram. The KU shirt and his dad doing some damage control saying “We are asking regardless of where he goes to continue to be a Brandon Ingram fan. You don’t have to be a fan of where he goes; you can still be a Brandon Ingram fan. That’s all we ask. We appreciate the support everyone has given us and we’re going to continue to support him,”. I think Ingram following most of the current KU players and starting out this year saying he wanted to play with Bragg (possible a package deal) is kind of a big deal. If you look past all of the PUKE fans saying he is a PUKE lean and look at Ingram’s actions it paints a big KU picture. KU could be sitting pretty with Ingram and Diallo by Tuesday?
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What I’m starting to wonder is maybe there is a secret link forming between Ingram and Diallo.
Self should take one from the Calipari playbook and sell potential NC from connecting the dots to a solid line. So if we sign Ingram, we also sign Diallo. I feel comfortable in saying that we stand a much better chance of signing Diallo if we sign Ingram today.
Connect the dots, Bill, and put your salesman pants on!
Imagine that team? Ingram, Diallo and Braggs being added to a solid team of experienced players. That is the right formula for success!
Even though Duke just signed a star PG… there is so many “ifs” to them being a contender next year, even if they sign Ingram. Kansas has a solid group of seasoned guys coming back, and it should make a better mix having that much quality experience to mix with all the youthful, inexperienced talent.
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Actually guys, I really meant it. I would rather sink or swim with Greene and Svi, instead of a one-year recruit (who may or may not be better than them).
Greene/Svi can add just as much to the TEAM as whatever the talented freshman could bring if not more. Additionally, one or both of them may end up staying and be even better the following year. If we get Ingram, it may mean Greene and/or Svi leaves and we’ll have a big hole the following year.The only guy we need is Diallo. If we get the big Greek kid also, that would be cherry on top.
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I hear what you are saying. Diallo is the MUST SIGN guy. But seriously, don’t you think we up our chances at signing Diallo by first signing Ingram? Why do you think Diallo is holding off signing? He wants to see where other pieces fall first. He wants to go where he thinks he’ll have the best chance at a NC.
Diallo will definitely be encouraged to come to Kansas if Ingram signs. This will make Kansas a clear distinct leader over schools like St. Johns and ISU. If we sign both, Kansas will be in the discussion for a NC, and that will be a year of big time publicity, including on the east coast. That does nothing but help players lift in draft positions.
Nothing sells better than momentum. Ask Calipari. Suddenly, Kansas will be considered having a Top 5 recruiting class and the media circus will begin.
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I sure hope people aren’t wetting themselves cause Brandon was wearing a Kansas shirt to school Friday. that means nothing, a lot of these recruits do such tatics as this to try to throw people off and keep it some big secret, just another way of getting discussion, speculation. its DONE he is going to Duke. losing him is not near as meaningful as if we lose out on Diallo. Brandon is a hell of a player, don’t get me wrong would love it IF he did come, but just don’t see it, just to hard to pull him out of in state when all 3 major schools there are after him, and close to home. its not lie the situation we are in at the 5 spot we have Svi, and I think a lot of people will be surprised on Svi’s play nex year think you’ll see a lot of difference, plus Brennan will be back, and I think he will be fine by season’s time, just don’t get worked up about Ingram, sorry just not happening its all DUKE. if I’m wrong then more then happy to admit I was wrong, but have felt like its Duke for along time now, time to move forward ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It always seems like we miss the guys that we all think are surefire Jayhawks and the guys we think are going somewhere else often pick Kansas.
Everyone has been saying Duke for quite a while but we see how they are continuing a full court press right to the end. Doesn’t sound like a shoe-in for Duke because of that. I could see him going to any of the schools on his final list. Probably least to Kentucky.
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Everyone always puts so much weight on the “close to home” factor. Sure it can be a huge factor for some kids, but for others it might not be. For me, I looked forward to getting away from home for my college choice. That was part of the attraction. Lets just say I didn’t want mom and pop dropping by unexpectedly at inopportune times. I wish people would chill out a little bit with that because it isn’t the most important thing to every kid out there.
Brandon said he will pick the school from his list that is best for HIM. We have no clue what that means. If that means:
Best supporting cast - its Kansas.
His favorite school, allegedly - its UNC.
Closest to home without pending NCAA issue - its Duke.
Best chance at a championship this year - its Kansas.
Biggest fan base - its Kentucky.
Biggest fan base that doesn’t consist primarily of buck toothed, inbred, obnoxious fans - its Kansas, Duke, or UNC.
Most minutes - the minutes he wants seems to be available at all the schools on his list.
Tradition/History - its Kansas.
Most appearances in NIT in the last 3 years - its Kentucky.
Team with the most boob pics tweeted out over the past three years - its Kansas. (thanks @kuboobs!).As you can see, there are several things that may be part of the equation but it would take all day to list them all. Keeping my fingers crossed he picks KU today!!
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@RockkChalkk nice points!
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@JayHawkFanToo - You said, “This leaves Duke and KU, although the Squid might have some salary cap left and you never know how and when he will use it.”
Just scanning some posts … busy at work; but the salary cap comment is a PHOF for sure.
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I saw several articles talk about the fact that he wore a KU shirt on Friday. I’m like @truehawk93. Just some gut feeling based on how his dad spoke about Coach in the Kinston article. He will make the other 2 instate schools mad if he picks any of them so logic is that he gets as far away from home and comes to KU.
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Of the Top 30 on ESPN 27 are signed.
Exactly 4 of those 27 choose schools not close to their HS or hometown. 3 of them are going to Duke, an elite school that draws from all over like KU has to. Derrick Jones is the only east coast kid to go west (UNLV).
Simmons chose LSU because of Family. Slab from Tenn going to Kentucky. Ellenson from WI going to Marquette. Rabb from Cali going to Cal. Swanigan from Indiana going to Michigan St. Newman from Miss going to Miss St. Zimmerman HS in Las Vegas, going to UNLV. Bacon from Fl going to Florida St. The list keeps going on with the same thing.
There’s a little more flexibility in the rest of the top 100 going out of state or cross country but still the #'s overwhelmingly say that kids will stay close to home especially the top kids.
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@BeddieKU23 He’s about 2 inches taller and 5 lbs lighter than Wigs was at KU. I think his size will translate just fine to the Div 1 game. Is he as talented and athletic over all as Wigs his freshmen year?
Even if he does pick a school away from NC, fans there wont be happy with it. He’ll catch flak any decision he makes. But, if he does pick an away school, he will be further removed from all of that.
I still hope he picks KU. I don’t think we need him as much as we need a pro caliber big man.
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Wig’s is 6’8 right? Ingram is pushing 6’9ish. What’s striking about Ingram’s body is that he just seems to be lacking muscle and weight especially in the lower half of his body. He may always be that way but for durability sake probably is going to need to put on muscle mass to give him the best chance of a long career. His game translates to D-1 immediately, not sure about his defense or his lateral quickness those are things that I’m sure he will need to work on. I think his rise in the rankings has as much to do with scouts seeing the long term potential of him in the league and his ability to impact the college game for his 1 year.
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@RockkChalkk Ahhhhh! Thats great! Too funny.
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@BeddieKU23 Ah yah, good point on defense and lateral quickness. Those things have yet to be seen at the next level. Sure he had some exposure with the Nike, Jordan, Mickey D’s games but can he show his skills on the other end of the ball for the whole season? Guess we’ll see.
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@drgnslayr Wasn’t it somebody from UNC who called Ingram a liar after Ingram said UNC already knew what the NCAA was going to do? I don’t think being called a liar would encourage me to go with that school.
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@drgnslayr You may be right, that Diallo signing is hinging on Ingram. I’m not sure but it would get me on the fence if that is the case. I do want Diallo, but would really hate for Greene or Svi to leave or be banished to the bench this year.
We’ll find out soon enough. If Ingram does pick KU, I’m sure I’ll find it in my heart to accept him as a Jayhawk and cheer for him.
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@FarSideHawk I’m concerned about BG’s recovery.
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@Lulufulu he didn’t go to one of those.
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If you were a high level wing prospect, why would you ever think about coming to KU? Time and time again, Self has proven that his offensive scheme does not do well with an Oubre or Ingram. This is not a Self bashing. Never been a fan of people doing that. But his style of how to win doesn’t bode welL for these kind of players.
And in all honesty, I don’t really want him. I REALLY wanted Newman and Diallo. Nothing against him as a player, but I jus us believe he is pretty low on the list of needs.
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@JhawkAlum wiggins!
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@JhawkAlum mclemore?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think BG will be fine. Medically, I don’t know how serious his procedure is. But from a basketball preparation/conditioning perspective, even if he’s a little behind, this is his third year. He will be more up to speed on Self ball than any freshmen.
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@JhawkAlum Really? He has a standing reach of 9’1.5" (taller than Zimmerman) which would suggest he could defend the 3pt line all the way to the basket and probably rebound a little bit as well. I think we NEED anyone we can get at this point. He also played point on his AAU team last summer before he grew another 3-4 inches. So he is possibly an A Davis type player if he puts on a couple pounds this summer?
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I don’t know what to think on Ingram. On one hand, if he isn’t done growing, he could turn into Kevin Durant lite - a tall, lanky scorer with a guard’s mentality and perimeter abilities. On the other hand, his frame suggests that he could very easily get bullied both in college and at the next level if he isn’t a transcendent scorer. If he’s a legitimate “could go for 35 any given night” type player, then I understand his ranking.
But the flip side to me is that in watching Jaylen Brown, Brown is a better athlete, more explosive, a better ball handler and is stronger. I have reviewed both players and just don’t see Ingram as the better prospect right now, unless he’s going to be Kevin Durant.
I’m really torn right now on Ingram. He has really shot up the recruiting boards, but I wonder if that is more to do with the fact that there aren’t many unsigned guys, so they are trying to juice the remaining guys by reordering some things.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Wiggins would have succeeded in any offense under any coach. And McLemore had 2 years under him. But even he was only a 3 point shooter and got drafted high because of a terribly weak draft class and how athletic he was.
And @Statmachine I am not saying he isn’t talented, but he isn’t a guy that can create his own shot (Newman) and doesn’t have the size we need. To call him Anthony David might one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard in awhile on this site. There is absolutely no chance he is even a poor mans Anthony Davis. Not only are they two different positions but play nothing alike.
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Will I take him? Sure. A talented player on the roster can’t hurt. Especially since BG will be rusty and out of shape the first month of the season. But you won’t see me sad if we don’t get him, nor will I be giddy if we do. I was REALLY hoping for Newman but will take the silver lining that UK didn’t get him either.
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@JhawkAlum I was not excited about Newman, but I am about Ingram.
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@JhawkAlum those 2 are pretty darn successful. Wiggins also improved his D, got all the playing time he wanted. Ben Mac is doing us proud too, on and off the court.
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@ Really? I saw Newman as someone who could come in and get his points no matter what. Like a more physical Selby. What do you see in Ingram? You are more know more about basketball than me so I am curious. Btw, you better not get me excited about him to get heart broken later! Lol
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I meant to tag @crimsonorblue22 !
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@JhawkAlum better to have loved and lost than never…
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@Crimsonorblue22 very true! What do you that is dynamic that get you so excited?
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ESPN - Ingram #3, Newman #10
24/7 - Ingram #3, Newman #7
Rivals - Ingram #4, Newman #8
A few month ago Newman was top 3 and Ingram a borderline top 10 and now the rankings have reversed and Ingram is considered the better prospect.
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@JhawkAlum he really moved up, great shooter, rebounder, high ceiling, great kid, great teammate!
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@drgnslayr I know I hesitated, esp since I’m a girl!!
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And I didn’t even hesitate… what a schmuck I am!
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Well agree to disagree! Haha I believe was the most dynamic player in the class
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Any link to the announcement?
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