The portal.
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@BeddieKU23 I personally do not care about numbers or short term wins. There could be enough HS recruited players on the roster to field a team of that was the goal. It clearly isn’t. Lateral level transfers suck. I’m fine with guys like Zeke that wanted KU initially and had to earn it, but the free agent hires suck. No heart and still limited or they’d be in the NBA.
I know this is not how it works.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Will mention UNLV guard transfer Dedan Thomas, talented but rumored to have a destination already (Houston).
Yeah Houston lock. His mom wanted him there last year but his dad wanted him to stay at UNLV. Now UNLV has no money therefore
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that’s his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Seems like one we should be in on, KS kid. 2 years left with big production. Rebounding and rim protection there too
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I agree it’s not as much fun with how it is now. There are coaches out there having success with lateral transfers and obviously some that are not. I would say Self has seen a mixed bag so far. Hunter, Mayo, McCullar could be seen as individual successes but hasn’t led to the most successful team seasons. UConn had 3 important transfers on their squad last year during their title run and two of them were on the team during the 22-23 title as well for context of it being successful.
All the 1 Seeds in the tournament have transfers driving their success. Perhaps Duke is the only one of the 4 where it’s not as big of an impact with their star freshman. Sion James is still an important factor for them, and they get great rotation play from Gillis and Brown (when healthy). Houston- Cryer, Uzan, Wilson; Florida- Clayton, Richard, Martin; Auburn- Broome, Baker-Mazara, Kelly, Jones.
The common theme with many of them is they transferred into their current school with multiple years to play. I think that’s a key thing to potentially look at with the portal. Do you really want a 1-year rental or do you go after guys that you can develop for a couple years. Of all the names listed above, 4 are 1-year guys and 2 of them are from Duke alone. Several came from mid-majors that had multiple years like (Broome- NPOY candidate) & Florida’s top 2 scorers.
I would stay away from the 1-year rentals as foundational parts of a team unless you have no choice. There’s a bunch of talent entering the portal already that are young and can be developed at a school like KU. Personally, would like to see us fill the open spots with young talent that can be developed to become the foundation of future years.
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@wissox Iowa also is losing Price Sandfort and de-commit Joshua Lewis
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that’s his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Seems like one we should be in on, KS kid. 2 years left with big production. Rebounding and rim protection there too
We are in contact
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Listening to an Iowa podcast and they said that the name that was being tossed around a lot was KU for Freeman
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that’s his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren’t trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
I’ve heard Bill wants to add 3 bigs do with this information what you will. That would mean 5 on the roster.
Sounds like actual bigs too, like not focused on big guards at that spot. Bill on his shit.
Welp. Okay.
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@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that’s his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren’t trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
I’ve heard Bill wants to add 3 bigs do with this information what you will. That would mean 5 on the roster.
Sounds like actual bigs too, like not focused on big guards at that spot. Bill on his shit.
Welp. Okay.
I know …
Couldn’t believe it when I heard. The other stuff I heard was good. Interested to see the final roster.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that’s his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren’t trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
I’ve heard Bill wants to add 3 bigs do with this information what you will. That would mean 5 on the roster.
Sounds like actual bigs too, like not focused on big guards at that spot. Bill on his shit.
Welp. Okay.
I know …
Couldn’t believe it when I heard. The other stuff I heard was good. Interested to see the final roster.
I’m not overly worried. I think DP and Flory are two good cornerstones. I think Tiller as the backup 5 is solid. Diggy back will be nice. Would love to see Passmore take a big leap.
I, personally, would be okay having Griffen come back if that ship hasn’t sailed yet. A 2nd year under Bill will do him wonders I think. But I also get it if both parties want to move on.
Can Moore get a redshirt, and is he willing to come back? I don’t hate having him on the roster.
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@Kcmatt7 Moore shouldn’t be able to but at this point…apply anyway and get grumpy with the NCAA.
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We need bigs outside Flory and with Tiller having surgery and being out even longer now I think it’s smart that they are trying to have at least 4-5 guys in the room. We shall see if that happens.
I agree Griffen is worth kicking the tires on if he will stay however about a few weeks ago it was expected he was leaving.
Jackson being a player after the year off and anything from Mari after the same would be great.
There’s just so much unknown about next yr, it will be the most uncertainty we have faced in 20 plus years by far
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Malik Reneau
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@BShark said in The portal.:
Malik Reneau
Don’t see the fit here. Can’t shoot 3’s so if he’s a 4, it’s the same issues in offense as the last 2 years and doubt he’d be willing to back up Flory.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
Malik Reneau
Of course bill wants a limited post up big he just can’t help himself
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Definitely not a fit for what we need
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I’d be pleasantly surprised if we don’t contact him…
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The only thing I’ll say is the guy put up 13 and 6 in 23 minutes. I don’t get the fit necessarily but I also wouldn’t be upset.
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I think some people are going to be really disappointed by what we go after at the 4 spot if what I’ve heard is true.
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I think I’ll retract what I said about fit with Reneau. Don’t know why he went 12% from 3 this year after shooting 33% from 3 as a soph including a couple makes against KU that year. He is bigger, is skilled on offense and boards good enough. He’d take a lot of pressure off Flory in the post. I know we have familiarity with him from High School. If we are not going to get a shooter at the 4, I want someone with more size, more offensive skill and rebounding ability then we got from KJ. Renau is going to check all 3 of those boxes.
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@BShark oh man, I might have to start a wisconsin badgers category and follow them as well from day one with @wissox to keep my sanity next year
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He hasn’t entered yet but be kind of interesting to see what happens w were in on him from high School and that would be Bryson Tucker top 30 High Schol prospect. Was watching podcast he went to Indiana ?- – might be worth taking another look at
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So if Bill wants to go the route of more Bigs which has been hinted at , there goes any thoughts of run , run , and run some more
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I’m also wondering about him too but man his shooting splits are awful, 37% from the field, 15% from 3. Must have gotten injured as well since didn’t play from mid-February on. Still lots of room to improve but you’d ideally need to get him on the cheap which was not the case during his HS recruitment.
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While we are down the Indiana Roster Rabbit-Hole, man look at Mackenzie Mgbako’s stats through two years, another player that almost was a Jayhawk initially.
His stats are almost identical from freshman to soph year & I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anything like it. 3pt fg%, FT%, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, turnovers and ppg are almost identical its scary. Minutes per game, FG%, Field Goals attempted per game, fouls per game saw very slight changes. It’s like he repeated the year exactly. How’s that for consistency…
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
While we are down the Indiana Roster Rabbit-Hole, man look at Mackenzie Mgbako’s stats through two years, another player that almost was a Jayhawk initially.
His stats are almost identical from freshman to soph year & I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anything like it. 3pt fg%, FT%, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, turnovers and ppg are almost identical its scary. Minutes per game, FG%, Field Goals attempted per game, fouls per game saw very slight changes. It’s like he repeated the year exactly. How’s that for consistency…
That is who should be playing at the 4. I’ll be a bit deflated if we roll out two bigs again for 40 minutes a game.
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We wouldn’t even look at Mgbako I bet.
Now Bryce Hopkins, that’s a JAYHAWK (I pray and beg)
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@BShark said in The portal.:
We wouldn’t even look at Mgbako I bet.
Now Bryce Hopkins, that’s a JAYHAWK (I pray and beg)
I’d probably cry if we got him at this point. He reminds me a lot of Jalen Wilson maybe even better 6’7 guy that plays like a guard. I’m just scared we will roll out 2 bigs that are completely useless more than 5 feet away from The goal.
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@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
We wouldn’t even look at Mgbako I bet.
Now Bryce Hopkins, that’s a JAYHAWK (I pray and beg)
I’d probably cry if we got him at this point. He reminds me a lot of Jalen Wilson maybe even better 6’7 guy that plays like a guard. I’m just scared we will roll out 2 bigs that are completely useless more than 5 feet away from The goal.
Having two bigs clog the lane with DP coming in doesn’t sound ideal? He needs room to get in the lane.
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@rockchalkjayhawk I hope Bill gets back to the 4 guard line up around Flory. Made a FF run in 2018 and won a title in 2022 like he forgot about those years.
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Maybe I shouldn’t make my evaluation of Reneau this way, but Indiana has just underachieved for a decade now and I just see him as a part of that. 5 star I think, which scares me as a Badger fan, and then we beat them like we almost always do and just think meh, whatever. Maybe it’s more mishandling by Woodson but I’m a no buy on Indiana guys.
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13 and 3 out of the 4 spot. Hmm stats like KJ. Can he defend like him too? I’d like to see better rebounding. T-Rex arms on both of them?
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@BShark said in The portal.:
I think some people are going to be really disappointed by what we go after at the 4 spot if what I’ve heard is true.
A leopard doesn’t change its spots
Bill would rather play 2 bigs over 4 guards. This is disheartening and shows Bill and co. Haven’t learned anything from these last 5/6 years.
Two bigs both unable to stretch the floor is yet again another disaster with roster construction
We don’t ever run either so that won’t change (unless we get down double digits then we fastbreak)
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Devries is really getting a black eye over this process claiming he held his son out for most of the season so he could transfer to a better school than WVU and not risk getting hurt. Of course this is a year after being hired away from his previous stop at Iowa Agricultural Institute (I forget where he was and would rather just make up a name than actually, you know, research where he was). When taking the WVU job he told the entire state he was in it for the long hall as a mountaineer. What a rough week to be a Mountaineer fan.
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@approxinfinity It’s been really interesting being a fan of both teams a lot of these years. Keep waiting til they both really click at the same time and get to the FF together. While I try not to talk about them too much here it comes up because they’re the only other team I’m really familiar with besides KU and sometimes it can relate. I participate in one of those SBNation sites with them that is very active and fills my need.
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Minnesota forward Frank Mitchell has entered the portal. This is who I would personally love to see KU bring in as a back up for Flory.
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Opens Monday officially.
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Old friend Marcus Adams Jr in after a good yr at Cal St Northridge. Time to get him back?
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We should look at Colorado St’s Kyan Evans (if he entered). kcmo kid having a giant game against Memphis right now. Soph has good stats and shooting splits
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@BeddieKU23 His PER is 14.7 which is below average. For comparison, Zeke’s PER his last season at SDSU was 20.8 and Diggy was 19.2 at NIU and each of their PER’s dropped this season. There’s something in Evans offensive that isn’t good and I would say pass if the expectation would be for him to be a rotation level player.
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@kuballin10 Thought-provoking perspective. I was wondering if things would’ve turned out differently if we’d brought in some solid transfer players. BS would likely enforce his rigid system on them, which tends to stifle players’ basketball IQ, as we’ve noticed with his squad. I’d love to see some versatile, agile bigs with good court vision, decent passing, the ability to play high-low in the post, handle the ball, hit jumpers, and stretch the floor—essentially, modern bigs. But, as you called him a leopard (never changing its spots), he might just end up derailing their careers.
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Look at all the PER’S of guys who came here last year and it didn’t matter how good they were they all regressed. Just saying it’s a localish kid that’s got 2 more years and had a big game in a tournament win.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Look at all the PER’S of guys who came here last year and it didn’t matter how good they were they all regressed. Just saying it’s a localish kid that’s got 2 more years and had a big game in a tournament win.
That regression is why I wouldn’t want Evans. The group this season all started with above average PER’s and Evans regressing from a below average PER is a recipe for a horrible season where he’s major detriment to the team. Evans PER from this season was similar Harris so if Evans duplicated that performance, that’s the bar and we all know how those conversations around Dejuan went.
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KU has been in contact with Drexel transfer Kobe Magee, who was 43% from 3 on a lot of attempts. Talented shooter with good size 6’6
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I haven’t seen his film and my only data point is today’s game. He was good today and statistically made a jump from year 1 to 2. I’m not sure what our plan is for the backcourt, if they plan to get another scorer next to Peterson or look for a backup type. He wouldn’t be the former
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Old friend Marcus Adams Jr in after a good yr at Cal St Northridge. Time to get him back?
Wasn’t the word on the street that he was bat shit crazy?
I was always intrigued because he lived down the street from my folks!
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
I haven’t seen his film and my only data point is today’s game. He was good today and statistically made a jump from year 1 to 2. I’m not sure what our plan is for the backcourt, if they plan to get another scorer next to Peterson or look for a backup type. He wouldn’t be the former
Even as a back up, his overall resume doesn’t impress me. In theory at PG, KU already has Jackson, Coit, and Shelby. Peterson can play on ball as well, but I think would be much better off the ball so I really don’t see Self in the market for a PG next season unless a top tier PG is begging to come to KU on a cheap NIL deal.
I could see Self going after a back up 2 if the staff doesn’t feel like McDowell is ready for that role this upcoming season or if he sees Passmore as a 3 more than a 2
A back up 5 is a must with Tiller’s setback.
We’ll see what happens with Griffen and Storr, but assuming they move on at this point which leaves Rakease Passmore on the wing right now. If Calderon does make it to KU, doubtful he’s ready to be an impact player from day 1, but possibly a back up.
To me, that means Self and staff will likely be focusing the vast majority of their portal recruit efforts at the 3 and 4 spots.
If the staff feels like they need a starting PG, Quimari Peterson from ETSU would be my choice, but it sounds like he’s might be Florida bound.
At the 3 and 4 as starters, names I would be interested in are Bryce Hopkins from Providence amd Nick Davidson from Nevada. There’s just not a lot of starting caliber 3’s and 4’s in the portal yet to me.
As a back up, Tyrell Ward from LSU wod be a solid addition at the 3, Cooper Koch from Iowa could be a nice back up 3
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Jalil Bethea in, another ole friend
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Noah Williamson from Bucknell, 7 footer averaged 17 and 7 and was patriot league poy. Made 52’s 3s the last two years so some range to go with size
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