The Furph
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@FarmerJayhawk he did and he has a high ceiling but one bad game and he’s back to the G league
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@kjayhawks the Raptors are rebuilding. He’ll get minutes this year.
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@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?
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@kjayhawks the Raptors have traded away their best two players over the last month.
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?
What exactly do you think the purpose of the G-League is? Would you rather the Raptors have Dick as a DNP-Coaches Decision, or have him playing in the G-League getting meaningful minutes and coaching from the Raptors staff? Going to the G-League as a rookie doesn’t have the stigma attached to it that it once did. The Phoenix Sun’s are the only team that doesn’t have a G-League affiliate at this point.
50% of NBA players this season have spent time in the G-League at some point. Pascal Siakim, Rudy Gobert, and Jordan Poole are among those who spent time in the G-League early on. Playing in the G-League isn’t the issue you think it is because it’s grown and developed to the point that it is a true development league that by the end of this season, the majority of the players in the NBA will have come through at some point.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.
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@kjayhawks look at the entire Thunder roster
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.
Dick was a lottery pick. Toronto is going to do everything they can to develop Dick into the best player he can be. This is why he’s spending time in the G-League because NBA teams have generally figured out how to use the G-League system now to develop players. He’s down to get game minutes to work on the holes in his game against game competition which right now is moving and playing without the basketball which was an issue for him at KU as well.
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Siakam and Anunoby leaving were the key, and that was like 4 games ago @kjayhawks
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@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G
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Let’s calm down on the furphy hype… he has a decent 3pt shot and he runs the floor well in transition for lay ups. But he’s got virtually no ability to create his own shot. He’s only getting some looks bc he’s not the focal point of the other team. He is a poor defender. He’s slow footed and he’s really weak. He gets offensive rebounds (flys In well for them) but defensive rebounds he loses to his guy a lot. He doesn’t box out well. The team is 3-2 since he started. He’s a fine prospect for a 3 and D guy down the road.
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G
The G-League today isn’t what it was 15 years ago. 29 of the 30 NBA teams have their own G-League affiliate now. Only Phoenix doesn’t have one now. That means that NBA franchises now are controlling the development of their young players by controlling who the coaching staffs are, who the training and support staffs are which means those G-League teams are developing the skills the NBA franchises want to see developed. Like I said earlier, 50% of the players on the NBA today have spent time in the G-League. By the end of the season, that number will be over 50%. At the end of last season, the number was at 55% of players that had spent time in the G-League. Those numbers will only continue to rise as older players retire that developed before going to the G-League was common.
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@jayhawks2010 i appreciate this. Thanks for making me temper the hype a bit
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@jayhawks2010 devil’s advocate, he’s a 6’-9" wing who has averaged some 16/7 over the last few games at over 40% from 3 and has shown high level cutting ability. NBA loves wing players and there are prospects taken in the 1st round every year putting up less number than that.
I’m not saying he’ll go, but if he continues at his current pace there will be a team willing to draft him in the 1st round. I think there would be a decent chance he stays though because he has top 5 pick potential going in the draft next year.
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@jayballer67 Oh Lord, don’t start the Svi comparison again. I thought several of us were going to have to duke it out. lol
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I think we all can agree that, for a pick up late in the offseason, he was a pretty vital addition.
As much as I wonder where would we be with Morris, I also wonder where would we be without Furphy.
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I’m much happier with rooting for Furphy then I ever would have been for Morris.
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@BeddieKU23 Did Morris transfer to Penn State or was it the State Pen?
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@dylans working hard or hardly working?
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From McDonald’s All American to Prison State legend
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Where will furphy rank in terms of great freshman?
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Rising by the game. tbd
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
Where will furphy rank in terms of great freshman?
If he closes strong and leads us to another Nattie… I’d say he will rank at the very top!
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I did a scientific analysis on today’s game and I have determined that Johnny Furphy is very good at basketball.
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@Jayblaze I think we’re going to need another year of him in Lawrence to know for sure for sure
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@FarmerJayhawk at the very least.
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Kenpom that only includes games since Furphy started.
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@BShark and that includes TWO games where the other team shot ridiculously well from 3 which a lot of evidence points to being more luck than anything else. (And one game where KU might have done the same…) [edit: checked the box score and we only made 6 threes??? Felt like a lot more]
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Jeff Goodman from the field of 68 reported that for a long time KU needed that one more guy - -he said now KU has found that guy , also stating though if we could even fine one more to just give us even a little , he says he thinks without a doubt that KU’s starting five is probably the best in the Nation & can play with anybody-- if we can get anything - - anything at all out of our bench
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To put into perspective how good KU’s offense was yesterday, here’s a list of every other time UH has given up 78+ points since the beginning of the 2018-19 season began which is when they became relevant nationally.
March 7, 2019 - SMU scored 79 points in a loss
November 19, 2019 - Rice scored 89 points in a loss
November 22, 2019 - Oregon scored 78 points in a win
February 3, 2021 - East Carolina scored 82 points in a win
April 3, 2021 - Baylor scored 78 points in their Final Four win
December 11, 2021 - Alabama scored 83 points in a win
February 9, 2022 - SMU scored 85 points in a win
March 24, 2023 - Miami scored 89 points in a Sweet 16 win
Houston is arguably the best defensive team in the country and KU’s starting 5 made them look bad. I fully agree with Jeff Goodman’s assessment that when KU’s starting 5 is on and playing well, they are the best starting 5 in the country.
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I have no doubt we were fueled by having a chip. Self made it a huge deal to let them know they were not favored in AFH.
He brought similar fuel on the prep for UCONN.
Keep these guys on the same page and no one can handle us!
Kill Zach’s redshirt now and I’ll believe we will win-out in March!
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@drgnslayr he did say he didn’t know we weren’t favored, and they told him, the media, it was the 2nd time. He didn’t know that either. It was Baylor, forgot yr, 2020? Was he BSing? Don’t know. This was during post game.
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I bet a hefty amount Self told the boys they were dogs
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In terms of Furphy leaving after this season. I think there is a 75% chance he stays for next season. You have to consider he just reclassified and shouldn’t be here this season. If I was in his circle I’d tell him you can go this season and go late first round/early second round. Or you could return work on getting stronger and handles most likely being a sure fire top 10 pick next season. We have had some kids get some bad advice imo. Henry, Dotson and Selby all could’ve been solid NBA players had they stayed a year or two longer. Especially with the NIL money of today, I don’t think it’s a great decision.
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
In terms of Furphy leaving after this season. I think there is a 75% chance he stays for next season. You have to consider he just reclassified and shouldn’t be here this season. If I was in his circle I’d tell him you can go this season and go late first round/early second round. Or you could return work on getting stronger and handles most likely being a sure fire top 10 pick next season. We have had some kids get some bad advice imo. Henry, Dotson and Selby all could’ve been solid NBA players had they stayed a year or two longer. Especially with the NIL money of today, I don’t think it’s a great decision.
The difference between Furphy and those guys is that Furphy will be receiving first round/lotto projections this year
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The Furph is, what, 17? His maturity level would be a problem hanging around older players with different, shall we say, perspectives on life. I’m sure his parents will have valuable input. I agree, the money is bigger every year he stays.
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@Gorilla72 he turned 19 in December
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@Gorilla72 said in The Furph:
The Furph is, what, 17? His maturity level would be a problem hanging around older players with different, shall we say, perspectives on life. I’m sure his parents will have valuable input. I agree, the money is bigger every year he stays.
The second NBA contract is where the money is at. If properly developed, the sooner you get into the NBA the sooner you make generational wealth by getting to the second contract. It’s tricky - if drafted high enough you are pretty much guaranteed a few years, but beyond that your have to perform.
Being a KU homer I want to see them all stay until well seasoned. Furphy is on the Ochai development arc it appears, but will he stick the 3 it takes to fully develop into a NCAA game wrecker?
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https://throughthephog.com/posts/kansas-basketball-johnny-furphy-nba-draft-jayhawks-01hntkms47y1#
16th sounds about right to me, with a chance to get top 10 with a strong tourney run
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@approxinfinity Gradey seemed like OAD from early on, but I’ll be so bummed if Furphy leaves after this season. I hope it’s just a furphy:
fur·phy NOUN AUSTRALIAN INFORMAL a rumour or story, especially one that is untrue or absurd: “I remembered the schoolyard furphy about sewer gangs”
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@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
https://throughthephog.com/posts/kansas-basketball-johnny-furphy-nba-draft-jayhawks-01hntkms47y1#
16th sounds about right to me, with a chance to get top 10 with a strong tourney run
I’m waiting for the big draft evaluator sites to update on this but if Furphy is mid-first round to lottery by the time March comes around there’s very little hope we are getting a 2nd year of him here.
This is potentially a historically weak draft class.
Self is going to push Johnny to the draft if he has a shot at lottery. There won’t be an option for him to return if the intel suggests he could legitimately be drafted into big guaranteed money.
He might be further behind Gradey physically but also ahead in other areas.
Size, wingspan & athleticism will likely help him (combine). BBIQ as well. Ability to pick up on coaching & apply- Will come from Self too.
This is pretty crazy if this is how it goes. As a KU fan it will suck but the kid has a ton of talent and the world is just starting to see it. This is why you come here…
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@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
https://throughthephog.com/posts/kansas-basketball-johnny-furphy-nba-draft-jayhawks-01hntkms47y1#
16th sounds about right to me, with a chance to get top 10 with a strong tourney run
Hate giving this site clicks. Worse than the star for me.
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@BShark cool, i havent kept up. I will keep that in mind.
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@Gorilla72 said in The Furph:
The Furph is, what, 17? His maturity level would be a problem hanging around older players with different, shall we say, perspectives on life. I’m sure his parents will have valuable input. I agree, the money is bigger every year he stays.
The second NBA contract is where the money is at. If properly developed, the sooner you get into the NBA the sooner you make generational wealth by getting to the second contract. It’s tricky - if drafted high enough you are pretty much guaranteed a few years, but beyond that your have to perform.
Being a KU homer I want to see them all stay until well seasoned. Furphy is on the Ochai development arc it appears, but will he stick the 3 it takes to fully develop into a NCAA game wrecker?
How many of KU’s players that have stayed until they are “seasoned” have gotten that big second contract? Only 4 KU players in the last decade have signed those life changing, generational wealth creating deals and 3 were OAD players. Embiid, Wiggins, Oubre, and Graham are only KU players drafted in the past decade to sign big second contracts.
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@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
@BShark cool, i havent kept up. I will keep that in mind.
@FarmerJayhawk could tell you all about how lame they are, he used to write there.
But basically alot of their stuff is just reposting info from other sites. One guy got found out for reposting paywalled info on 247.
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One thing that might play into his decision is he can’t earn NIL at KU with his visa situation (not to be political but US immigration law… lol) so could be something to watch. Might make the Mexico City trip worth it…
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@BeddieKU23 Furphy appears much more mature than Dick.
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This game tonight is a prime example of why he won’t go and will fall down the draft board. All normal for a freshman
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@kjayhawks Ochai had 25 vs Texas in his first game, an NBA ready body and shot…and played 3 years. It seems the fans are quick to show guys the door.
Furphy has a good shot, but not elite like Dick. Furphy has good awareness on the offensive end and hustles for rebounds. His defense and body need work. Depending on offseason development I could see him being well positioned to enter the draft after his sophomore campaign.
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Plus, NIL $ takes some of the risk out of staying and working on your game. I think this is one of the best benefits of NIL to the game.
