Team discussion after 10 games
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@BeddieKU23 The Indy Star called it the best crowd in years.
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Top 5 crowd I’ve heard on TV away from Allen. I did not realize how loud they can get there so I can imagine that was something to experience. I guess that’s what KU coming to town does, great to still know that KU coming to town is a big deal. With that kind of fanbase support they should be much better than they are. Without Galloway’s super bowl game they are very average.
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They were certainly rattled most of the first half but it was great to see them buckle down in the 2nd half when it mattered most. I was rewatching the game to figure out the game switched, but I think it was KJ Adams dunk after going down 13 that started it all. Seemed like a small play at the time but one that seemed to catalyst the comeback.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Team discussion after 10 games:
Top 5 crowd I’ve heard on TV away from Allen. I did not realize how loud they can get there so I can imagine that was something to experience. I guess that’s what KU coming to town does, great to still know that KU coming to town is a big deal. With that kind of fanbase support they should be much better than they are. Without Galloway’s super bowl game they are very average.
CBS even largely mutes crowd noise. Buddies I know that went said it was a great crowd.
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Indiana basketball fans are great. I’ve known several. They know the game well and are a class act. Wish they were in the B12! (at least, basketball!) Yes… they deserve quality basketball and I still consider them a blue blood, largely because of their fan base!
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@BeddieKU23 The design of the building really contributes to it. Large flat walls above the ‘end zone’ seats. Sideline seats rise strait up, probably 15000 seats on the sidelines out of the 17000 seats. We had to stand to see the game because everyone in the nosebleeds was standing. One kid had a hat that said “The LORD is my Shepherd but Bobby Knight is my coach.”!!
I agree with a lot of you that Indiana should be better. They play in a basketball crazy state. Just look at the HS gyms they have: https://www.visitindiana.com/blog/post/high-school-gyms-basketball-best-of-indiana/
This list has the gym in my town Whiting (which incidentally is the place where Rockefeller started Standard Oil) https://valpo.life/article/top-10-gyms-in-the-region/
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I was noticing that during the intro and during the game how the design of the building is different. I haven’t watched a ton of Assembly Hall games tbh over the years since Indiana has been average for a long time now. I don’t recall hearing them this loud before but good to know it’s right up there with the best when there’s a big game in town.
If anything this was a perfect road environment for the guys to experience. I don’t imagine they will go somewhere else this year that rivals it but if they do, they will have some experience handling it.
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On Hawk Talk this past week, Juan was the player there that got to ask coach a question. Juan asked him what gym was his favorite to play in. Self said Assembly Hall.
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@BeddieKU23 You know how much KU coming to town means in Stillwater? Zip. Zero. Nada. Nothing. Next time we play there, watch the crowd. Maybe 3,500 on a good night. They must have a LOT going on in Stillwater besides watching top ranked Basketball.
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It really doesn’t matter but in a week in which #1 loses to #3 and #2 wins in a tough road environment and the mediocre team that #3 lost to earlier lost to Chicago State and #3 moves up to #1 over #2 well I feel a little tiny bit bad for #2, but I know I shouldn’t because in my mind we’ll always be #1.
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Voters have amnesia daily
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Since starting the season 2-13 from the FT line Adams has gone 19-29 for 65%. He’s now at 50% overall. Hopefully he will live in the 60’s as the season goes by. Was really hoping coming into the year he would show improvement there since he gets to the line as much as anyone.
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You know with the way Timberlake has played when in games , I’m almost to a point where I would just as soon see Coach let Jankovich have some run in Nick’s place. Put him in , let him run with the starters for some minutes, might surprise some people running with starters he sure couldn’t do any worse shooting the three - -think actually would be better , Nick’s confidence is GONE PERIOD. Defensively sure not any worse then Nick. I just think at this point he would be a better threat to shoot the three then Nick.-- -Let the guys run a play or two to open him up for the three , I think it could be done, help the team.
I know Jank has liability but at this point , can’t be worse - -never know till you try, Crazy ?- - probably but what the hell. We know he can make them , have seen it in mop up time. We were looking for an add to the roster for depth anyways , and we need three point shooters, he could be right under our nose, I’m not saying major minutes , but in time of foul trouble, stretch’s where he can give starter breaks, I mean with what we got right now, what could that possibility hurt. Again can’t be any worse then Nick, defense is about the same if not a little better , just sayin -ROCK CHALK
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Nah. Nick is definitely capable of better than how he has played thus far. Whatever the reason, P5 adjustments, good ol’ fashioned slump, etc, I think the best way to break out of it is to keep playing him and try and boost some confidence. Giving his minutes to Jank would be an even bigger hit to the confidence. We will need him this year, hopefully he can get right soon.
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Nick and Jamari played more on ball when in this last game.
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If you get a chance go to you tube, there is a really good regular podcast, talks All kind of College basketball - -the podcast is called the field of 68 ,- -they talk on different occasions about our boys, was talking today and said - -Yes Ku has flaws , still trying to figure out their 2 guard , talking about how we have 4 studs and then have a bench that should be like the 9th player
Yet they say even with the flaws he says F - - - it, no matter KU just gets it done. - -He gives and example he says just like the Miami heat , you getting 48 minutes of the heat – Well Ku is going to play 40 minutes of Jayhawk ball , saying your going to have to beat KU as KU is not going to beat themselves , brought out - -brings out solid points on the team, talking about how Juan hit a huge three at Indiana - -How El Marko hit a huge three at Indiana - -Jamari hit a huge three at Indiana, & Kevin hit a huge three at Indiana.
Then here is an interesting point one of them said - -over the last two years when DeJuan scores Seven points - -KU is 23-1 - -that’s pretty impressive. Brought up another point saying KU is making 72.9 % of their buckets off assists- -saying that’s just a stupid number- - - a silly number. --Finished one of them said on last Saturday 100— out of 103 teams probably at assembly hall would of lost that game to Indiana would of lost that game - -KU they said was probably one of only three teams that would of won Saturday. - Love this podcast
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@RockkChalkk said in Team discussion after 10 games:
Nah. Nick is definitely capable of better than how he has played thus far. Whatever the reason, P5 adjustments, good ol’ fashioned slump, etc, I think the best way to break out of it is to keep playing him and try and boost some confidence. Giving his minutes to Jank would be an even bigger hit to the confidence. We will need him this year, hopefully he can get right soon.
Jank should never get real minutes. I know you weren’t suggesting it of course but I’ve seen it mentioned here and there…and just no.
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@BShark said in Team discussion after 10 games:
@RockkChalkk said in Team discussion after 10 games:
Nah. Nick is definitely capable of better than how he has played thus far. Whatever the reason, P5 adjustments, good ol’ fashioned slump, etc, I think the best way to break out of it is to keep playing him and try and boost some confidence. Giving his minutes to Jank would be an even bigger hit to the confidence. We will need him this year, hopefully he can get right soon.
Jank should never get real minutes. I know you weren’t suggesting it of course but I’ve seen it mentioned here and there…and just no.
I responded to the comment but then decided to bite my tongue and just leave that alone, everybody has an opinion I’ve voiced mine so I’m good
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Mercy there are some people in here that are really confused all I can say is I’m sorry. -Yet there are people who says Jankovich should never see nay minutes/real minutes over Timberlake, Let me clarify if they are thinking I’m talking about 15-20 minute Jankovich then umm YA , but in a relief role, if you put him on the floor with the four starters, in NO WAY shaper or form is he worse at this point and time of the Season worse then Timberlake. - if you think he is a mistake or a turnover looking for a place to happen - -then look no further on the floor then Timberlake. - - Timberlake right now is a classic example a version of Joe Yesfu. - -I’m saying you put Jank out there with the other four starters for 3-4-5 minute stretch to give El Marko a break he would be fine. - -
Now am I saying put him on the floor over Jamari ? - -Oh Hell no. Yet between Timberlake & Jankovich - - Jankovich HANDS DOWN. At this time and point of the season Jankovich hits the three better and for sure is not any worse defensively. Hell you don’t know if the turnovers Jank makes is his fault or others, as all you see him in is with other mop up time player. Does that happen when he is on the floor with the regulars ? - I just think right now he is a better back up for spot minutes then Timberlake who hs shown nothing and his confidence is gone. --If he shoots his first three and misses - - -GET HIM OUT cause his confidence went right out the door. Agin to those confused people I’m not saying major minutes - -BUT he could be on the floor for those 3-5 minutes and be just fie and a much better option then Timberlake at this presnt time
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The point is, this is the perfect game to get his confidence back. Self picked him for a scholarship not Jank. Let’s trust our HOFer.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Team discussion after 10 games:
The point is, this is the perfect game to get his confidence back. Self picked him for a scholarship not Jank. Let’s trust our HOFer.
oh I’m trusting him 100 % the trust is he is yanking him out earlier cause he is costing us- -Self realizes it and that’s why your seeing Nick less
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I was refreshing my memory on Elmarko’s recruiting notes. Even Self has said he’s learning a new position, so patience required. The big question is why did we recruit a highly ranked PG and are asking him to play SG when we know Juan will be here a bit longer? The first sentence seems appropriate to my thinking on his game so far.
“Jackson needs the ball in his hands to be at his best, both because opposing help-side defenders will be able to help off him and because he will have to learn how to play without the ball after having been the focal point of every offense he’s been in to this point.”
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Upcoming games. I noticed after TCU, 3 of the next 4 are are on ESPN+. Grrr. A quick check of Dukes schedule reveals no games on ESPN+. They do have the ACC Network. One of our ESPN+ games is a (as currently ranked) #2 KU Vs. #12 Oklahoma. This is definitely a first world problem, but it aggravates me.
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@wissox How many pre-game and post-game shows does ESPN+ do for Kentucky or Duke? I can’t find any, but it’s there for all the KU games. I don’t understand why any KU fan would complain about spending about the same as a Starbucks coffee or a gallon of Biden’s gas or a movie ticket, to get KU basketball content for an entire month.
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Some stats I was looking at. We’re shooting 38% from 3. Good for 25th nationally which is really higher than expectations. I recall offseason discussions of how bad this team will be at shooting the 3.
We’re also top 25 in shooting percentage, 8th at 51%. I think it tells me we take good 3’s only. Because if we’re shooting this well inside the arc coach would say why jack them up from outside unless it’s a good look. I did notice that we have one of the lowest rates of shooting 3’s at 17 per game which is 324th nationally.
Our FG% defense is elite so far at #15 nationally, giving up 37%. Not sure which Self likes better, great defense % or great shooting %? But having both working this year shows how well this team is doing.
FT percentage, something I always believe should be near the top for a program like ours, is pedestrian at 72%.
Our worst stat is offensive rebounding grabbing only 8 per game. Of course when you make a lot of shots there’s fewer opportunities. On the other had we’re rebounding at a top 15 level.
Assist to TO is elite as well, 13th. Much has been made about our high number of assists, we’re 2nd currently, trailing BYU who laughably is 3rd in the NET currently and their 25oth ranked schedule, which is slightly better than 5th ranked ISU in the NET and their 288th ranked schedule.
Speaking of schedules, we’re fairly pedestrian at 51 strength of schedule. It will rise after the Wichita game when we begin conference game. I still don’t understand how a 12-1 record with a 51 SOS gets you ranked 16th in the NET when BYU with a 250 SOS and a similar record to ours gets you a 3rd rank. They have 1 quad 1 victory.
Still some question marks with this team, but these stats are showing we’re doing a lot of things very well.
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@dylans I get your point, but a month ago I started looking at my monthly costs and not only was it ESPN+ but others as well and it was adding up to 50 bucks or so. I was also adding a monthly expense at the same time that I need so I needed to cut out some stuff. I did throw a ‘first world problem’ disclaimer in there!
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You know All I hear from broadcasters and such , other ones that suppose to be in the know is - -We can’t shoot the ball. & yet w are 2nd in the big 12 in Fg % 51.4 % only behind Baylor who shoots at 52.4 % - -& like has been mentioned we shoot the three at 38.4 % and think they said National average is 36 % again our 3 pt % is 2nd in the Big 12 , only behind Baylor who shoots an insane 44.7 , so what am I missing ?
We have three starters shooting the three really well - -Hunter shooting at 50 % – Juan is shooting at 45 % - - & Kevin is shooting at 40.8 % - -pretty dam good, we just have to get Juan more involved with scoring the ball, a lot of times just to passive when it comes time scoring
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I don’t know about can’t shoot the ball, but KU doesn’t have a shooter. That was supposed to be Timberlake (our Moss/Coleman guy).
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@wissox Still less than going to a single game and about half what I used to pay for cable. The price of everything else is the problem, we are all severely suffering from the economic policies of the current administration. - my basic expenses are up over 18% this year after a dramatic increase last year. Biggest jump in expenses - fuel, food, taxes, health and homeowners insurance. That’s what you should be upset about in my opinion, but at ESPN+ is as good a place as any to vent your frustration I suppose.
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@dylans Ok, thanks for the advice but I’m capable of making my economic decisions!
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@dylans nail on the head there sir!
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Yes like why are we spotting teams double digit leads with too much frequency. Puts us into the position of needing heroics to score 40-45 second half points it seems. but we are capable of those bursts especially when our bench helps. I guess we will be an exciting team.
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@wissox said in Team discussion after 10 games:
@dylans Ok, thanks for the advice but I’m capable of making my economic decisions!
You misunderstand me, I have no economic advice for you. I don’t care about your finances, (hopefully) good or (hopefully not) bad. I am trying to say your complaints the day after Christmas about a value added product, that is geared 100% for the Jayhawk faithful, that saves most people upwards of $50 a month by allowing the successful cutting of cable, is a little bit misplaced in the audience. I think it would play better for another fanbase that doesn’t get treated so well by the network. One that has to get ESPN+ just to watch their team play against KU or some other single game. Even the other blue bloods don’t get the coverage that KU does. But if I had to get the Longhorn network to watch KU play a couple games a year I’d be pissed about missing those games…lol
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@dylans I get it, I have too much respect for you to get into a pissing match! Rock Chalk and carry on!
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@wissox Right with you!
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@wissox You’re the best
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@dylans The best what, cheapskate?
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@wissox man in this discussion.
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@dylans Join the football discussion if you care too!
