Get off my lawn (shaking fist at air) off-season rant
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@cragarhawk said in Welcome Nick Timberlake!:
@BShark I would argue that adults aren’t 18 anymore. Which is absolutely a societal change. They are far too coddled to be adults at that age by-in-large these days. Everyone as parents including me is guilty of this. But let’s not BS ourselves. My grandaddy volunteered to get on a plane and go fight japs in iwo jimo at 18. These kids are not adults until 23 plus imo. And. Honestly. Probably thru no fault of their own
We lose that war today.
City kids as a rule are very soft. Most country raised kids kick their asses when it comes to work ethic. Not a 100% rule, but holds true most of the time. If college kids apply for a job from the KC, Topeka areas I don’t hire them, they just quit when they realize the hours. Now the Missouri country girl that worked for me last year - she’s taking 18 hours of sr level classes, taking care of her 30 head of cows that are calving (need fed every day) a part time job, student senate, and is lobbying congress as State Farms student representative. For me she worked 13 hour days 5 days a week and had a smile on her face the entire time. The last city kid (KC area) I hired lied about his dad having a heart attack so he could quit in the middle of the day when work got too hard for him (first hot week). I have 22 years worth of similar examples 90% of city folks quit, 85% of country folks succeed. - I’ll hire young women and young men any color or creed, but children of the same age from the city can pound sand. You’re correct it is the parents fault - they never thought they should prepare their little prince or princess for the working world - and I’m not going to do it for them either. At 14 I worked part time for 3 farmers, at the local drug store and mowed yards in my spare time. I am not unusual for rural areas. It’s just a different maturity arc in urban areas.
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@dylans said in Get off my lawn (shaking fist at air) off-season rant:
We lose that war today.
A lot of proof of this when you consider Vietnam. We don’t win that war with today’s non-cow milking shitheads.
(Just to be sure, this is sarcasm. My eyes actually involuntarily rolled so hard when reading this post I almost detached my own retina).
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@Kcmatt7 Cool but you’ve also stated that loyalty and hard work leading to career advancement is a republican lie.
Perfect example! Thank you
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You can make fun of the greatest generation if you’d like. - We simply aren’t built that way anymore. Those men and women were amazing in their dedication. Could you imagine people banding together in a crisis and pooling all resources instead of turning on one another like in 2020? It takes everyone and we haven’t been unified in decades.
Vietnam was lost by congressmen not the men and women on the ground.
People are not built the same today. Society is set up different, it’s not bad it’s different. If you don’t study population shifts it’s nearly impossible to notice some of the pressures that population shifts apply. One huge pressure on Russia that forced them to invade now (beyond Putin’s legacy desires) - Too many people had left the country side and moved to the cities. How many kids do city people have? - usually 2 or less as children are a burden, you have to provide for them. Rural children (truly rural not small town folks) are an asset as they provide labor so those families have many kids (a dozen isn’t uncommon) and put them to work early - 7-8 years old you can do stuff. At 18 they are far differently equipped to face the world. With the bulk of the population shifting to urban settings there are just far less young men to go to war period. You have to strike while you still can. China is in a similar situation of population crash ahead - you need a birth rate of 2.1 people per couple to maintain population they limited to 1 from I believe the 80s until 2010s causing an aging population. They are allowing 2 now with still leads to population decline. If they want Taiwan back the clock is ticking, just as it was for Russia.
Populations have shifted. People are different in different settings. Urban environments create different opportunities. Both are necessary.
When I say I won’t hire a city kid, it’s not because they’re bad people. It’s because they are ill equipped for this particular job due to a lack of exposure even if they have a college degree in the field. I want to put people in a position to succeed. Hiring the wrong person for the job is as much your failure as theirs.
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@Kcmatt7 I took accounting classes at KU. I would be terrible at your job. I don’t have the attention span for that type of work. It takes a different kind of dedication. I appreciate the work that you do, as I can’t.
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@dylans said in Get off my lawn (shaking fist at air) off-season rant:
@Kcmatt7 I took accounting classes at KU. I would be terrible at your job. I don’t have the attention span for that type of work. It takes a different kind of dedication. I appreciate the work that you do, as I can’t.
Pretty sure I’m about to get wiped out by AI
I 1000% agree that you have to hire people to succeed for the job. It makes perfect sense that hiring people who grew up in that world would perform better in the role. And when I hire, I certainly try to hire people who will be in the role for a period of time and give a good effort.
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Horses for courses. I do think it’s easier for the country kids to transition to knowledge/information economy jobs than the other way around. Could be just a personal anecdote, idk. My first summer as a “professional” I spent half on Capitol Hill, half on the family farm. Variety is the spice of life, as they say.
Some country folks are responsible for the urbanization as well. My folks always told me to go get a college education and a nice, cushy job because they worked so hard so I wouldn’t have to. I’m not sure if I’ve changed or the community has (probably a little of both), but it seems the rural communities have gotten coarser and less friendly over the last 10ish years. Church attendance is down, even as a % of the population. Crime is up, poverty is up. Kind of a sad deal that there’s not much in the way of redeeming qualities for my home community other than nostalgia. Well, I guess the new owners of the grocery store are doing some good stuff (we got Boulevard and Free State beer in a town of 160!) but the overall decline in population and quality of life out there makes me sad. I was hoping a silver lining of the pandemic would be more people who all the sudden aren’t geographically tethered to work would move back to take advantage of the cost of living. For example, we rent my grandma’s old house (small, but nice 3 BR) for $250/month UTILITIES INCLUDED. But a lot of the charm is sadly gone.
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Jeessh that’s cheap. My water bill every quarter is more then that in a rural state with more cows then people.
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@BeddieKU23 right? As it turns out nobody wants to live 90 miles from a Target or name your medical specialist
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@FarmerJayhawk I think you saw this, but maybe in a different way. Not an exodus from cities to rural. But an exodus from higher cost of living states to lower. But maybe that’s an assumption on my part. My sister moved to Dallas a couple of years ago, and I’d say 30% of their neighbors moved from California. So maybe this is anecdotal for me and not reality.
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@Kcmatt7 I think that’s right. My sister is in Dallas as well (Go Mean Green) and there are a ton of transplants from California and even the upper Midwest and northeast.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Get off my lawn (shaking fist at air) off-season rant:
@BeddieKU23 right? As it turns out nobody wants to live 90 miles from a Target or name your medical specialist
I’m only 50 miles from a target. Guess I’m not far enough away
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@FarmerJayhawk My dad says there are more California plates in Austin than there are Texas plates.
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@nuleafjhawk that’s hilarious. Good on them honestly. Tags and car taxes in Texas are BRUTAL
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A recent Texas addition to my Kansas neighborhood left after a year - taxes are too high in Kansas. Property taxes are outrageous and we have state income tax. That’s for the birds if you aren’t accustomed to it.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Get off my lawn (shaking fist at air) off-season rant:
Horses for courses. I do think it’s easier for the country kids to transition to knowledge/information economy jobs than the other way around. Could be just a personal anecdote, idk. My first summer as a “professional” I spent half on Capitol Hill, half on the family farm. Variety is the spice of life, as they say.
Some country folks are responsible for the urbanization as well. My folks always told me to go get a college education and a nice, cushy job because they worked so hard so I wouldn’t have to. I’m not sure if I’ve changed or the community has (probably a little of both), but it seems the rural communities have gotten coarser and less friendly over the last 10ish years. Church attendance is down, even as a % of the population. Crime is up, poverty is up. Kind of a sad deal that there’s not much in the way of redeeming qualities for my home community other than nostalgia. Well, I guess the new owners of the grocery store are doing some good stuff (we got Boulevard and Free State beer in a town of 160!) but the overall decline in population and quality of life out there makes me sad. I was hoping a silver lining of the pandemic would be more people who all the sudden aren’t geographically tethered to work would move back to take advantage of the cost of living. For example, we rent my grandma’s old house (small, but nice 3 BR) for $250/month UTILITIES INCLUDED. But a lot of the charm is sadly gone.
A lot of rural communities still don’t have good enough internet for people to do WFH jobs. Even with a lower cost of living, they along with not having a lot of creature comforts do dissuade people from moving to small towns.
I grew up in a major city, amd when I was choosing where to go, my final 3 choices were Kansas, KSU, and Oklahoma. My mom’s family were split between KU and KSU alums and my dad was an OU alum. When I was deciding what was important for what I wanted out of a college experience, being in or near a major city was important to me because I get bored with small town life really quickly which I realized whenever I visited my mom’s family in SE Kansas. That ruled KSU out and left me between KU and OU. I ended up choosing KU because of getting more scholarship money from KU, but I absolutely would’ve gone to OU had they given me more scholarship money.
If someone is accustomed to a big city, urban lifestyle, moving to a small rural community isn’t going to ve enjoyable to many people in that situation. I would also assume it tends to go the other way as well where most people who grew up in a small town hate living in a big city and would prefer to be in a small town.
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@dylans my in laws are in jersey and when I saw the property taxes I couldn’t believe it. 3-4X what they are here.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 good points. My home community is fortunate to have fiber to the home. My dad (to whom the middle of nowhere is urban) has better internet service than a lot of wealthier communities.
Probably was more a hope than anything. I don’t want these communities to die yet down they go one by one.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Internet isn’t really an issue anymore in rural areas. My town of 600 people has fiber optic as do most in this area. My wife worked from home on a computer all day for 2 years during the pandemic. Her parents live 10 miles from anything and have fiber optic. I could see it being more of an issue back when you were younger tho. I hate living in the city personally, sirens, bass from cars and gunshots occasionally all hours day and night. Would never choose to raise my kids in such an environment. Small towns are being destroyed by Meth more than anything IMO. It’s too easy to make and sell. Mayberry has been dead for a good 20 years. I like my community pretty well and stuff like that is at a minimum.
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People are leaving California in droves for dozens of reasons. We’ve had 6 families from there move in our town. I’ve been working with a guy that moved here 3 years ago from there. The way he describes it is hell on earth if you are not a millionaire. Says gangs control the public schools. If you ain’t making 150k a year as an individual you live below the poverty line. Traffic jams for hours, can spend 3 hours looking for a place to park just to name a few. He likes it here and made out like a bandit moving here. He lived in a 1000 square foot 2 bedroom house he bought for 375k in 2012. He was still paying on it but sold for 1 million, paid it off, bought 5 acres here, built a brand new house on it and bought his wife a new SUV. He owes zero dollars on all of it. Simply selling his California home barely surviving out there as a college grad he looks like a millionaire here lol. His only complaint is the property tax is high and goes up every year here. There he says it is grandfathered in to what you paid for it and never goes up.
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@dylans as a manager that’s involved in the hiring process finding a person that’s below the age of 30-35 that will show up everyday and put in work is like a lunar eclipse. The American dream used to be work hard and build something for yourself. Now it’s get rich as fast as you can on YouTube and pay someone to do it for you. I drive by empty parks everyday that was filled when I was younger with us kids playing(I’m only 35 years old). If I go out to eat don’t usually see any highschoolers working or at Walmart. I was up at 5 am folding and delivering papers at 9 years old as my first job and have been working in some capacity ever since. We have made it where a high percentage of kids don’t have to work to gain anything and then wonder why they don’t want to work. Mike Gundy had rant a few years back about how he had to teach kids how to do the simplest stuff nowadays because this generation is in front of the Xbox more than out playing sports and doing stuff. Just my 2 cents on the matter sir.
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@kjayhawks said in Get off my lawn (shaking fist at air) off-season rant:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Internet isn’t really an issue anymore in rural areas. My town of 600 people has fiber optic as do most in this area. My wife worked from home on a computer all day for 2 years during the pandemic. Her parents live 10 miles from anything and have fiber optic. I could see it being more of an issue back when you were younger tho. I hate living in the city personally, sirens, bass from cars and gunshots occasionally all hours day and night. Would never choose to raise my kids in such an environment. Small towns are being destroyed by Meth more than anything IMO. It’s too easy to make and sell. Mayberry has been dead for a good 20 years. I like my community pretty well and stuff like that is at a minimum.
There’s still plenty of rural areas where low internet speeds are still an issue. I know Google used Topeka as a test area for their fiber optics and that’s spread to other small towns in the area. I also know there are some small towns that have co-oped their ISP to install fiber optic lines, but that’s not everywhere and there are still a lot of people and places that don’t have fiber optic lines or the resources to get them installed yet.
You’re also supporting my statement about where people prefer to live. A person that grew up or has lived in a small town most of their life may not adapt well to living in a city and there’snothing wrong with that. I personally would be bored out of mind living in a small town because of the lack options on things to do, different styles of food, and stuff like that.
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@dylans It’s a great privilege to get to pay taxes every single year on something that you’ve already bought and paid for. Houses, Vehicles, Boats, etc.
Now my advice for those who die (taxman) Declare the pennies on your eyes (taxman) 'Cause I’m the taxman Yeah, I’m the taxman And you’re working for no one but me (taxman)
Taxman - The Beatles
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I lived in both and prefer peace and quiet to gangs and shootings. In terms of more to do, we were on food stamps when I was a kid living in the city so we had no money to go do anything anyways lol. Most the time we did the same thing as we did in the small town went to the park and shot baskets. I’ve got family that live in small suburbs of big cities that’s pretty similar to living out where I do. There is a big difference between inner city low income housing I experienced than a burb of with people with money. You are happy where you are and I’m happy where I am. Those are the important things buddy.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Get off my lawn (shaking fist at air) off-season rant:
@dylans It’s a great privilege to get to pay taxes every single year on something that you’ve already bought and paid for. Houses, Vehicles, Boats, etc.
Now my advice for those who die (taxman) Declare the pennies on your eyes (taxman) 'Cause I’m the taxman Yeah, I’m the taxman And you’re working for no one but me (taxman)
Taxman - The Beatles
Yup. The system is built to tear you down like the waves erode the beach.
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Every next generation has been the one that’s going to ruin everything.
