KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread
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Spencer Jones. I wonder who we’re going to get in the portal? We need a 6’8" guy, just like Jalen. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to shoot. Spencer Jones. He’s got to able to defend. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to be a scorer, because he’s going to need to lead us in scoring. Spencer Jones. Anybody have any idea who we can get?
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Spencer isn’t the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Spencer isn’t the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally
Yeah I like how the rumored pieces fit together. Not the best athletes for two of them but you are looking at getting a crafty playmaker 4 and two 38-40% three point shooter types. With the guard if things break perfectly being pretty athletic and a guy that can get his own when the set breaks down.
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@BShark Boy, I can’t wait for the freaking Masked Prospects to get revealed. All these little crumbs…like waiting for a Top 40 countdown back in the 60’s when they took 4 hours to get to the top while hinting at a revolutionary new Number 1 and playing only 10 two-and-a-half minute songs each hour!
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@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Spencer Jones. I wonder who we’re going to get in the portal? We need a 6’8" guy, just like Jalen. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to shoot. Spencer Jones. He’s got to able to defend. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to be a scorer, because he’s going to need to lead us in scoring. Spencer Jones. Anybody have any idea who we can get?
NOPE - - NOT A CLUE LOL
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Spencer isn’t the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally
He’ made the Pac 12 all defensive team a few times. Defense was never Jalen’s strong suit, so we could be better at the 4 next year on that end. He’s not the driver JW was, for sure.
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My two cents: You combine Elmarko ( love that name) with a Spencer Jones, and we got something cooking. Need one more defensive player that can shoot at the 3, and we might be in business.
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Agree I forgot to add the defensive stuff for him. We are definitely not replacing Kev’s defense with one guy but Jones probably has a good baseline of defensive skill that Self can work with, if that’s what happens.
Here’s one Stanford fan on Jones. I think we’d take all of this in a heartbeat.
He’ll go down as one of my all time favorites. Played like a stud with a splint on a finger that was clearly bothering him. Hit clutch threes, took it hard to the rack, made great cuts, played tenacious defense, and fought for every rebound. He epitomized Haase’s mantra of tough, invested, and selfless. He was the beating heart of this team all year, and it was no different tonight. Whenever we needed a big play, it seemed he was the guy to make it. I’ll miss seeing him in Cardinal and White (or the ugly black uniforms) but I wish him well in his next adventure.
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Jones has a <40" vertical so HARD PASS /s
Sometimes dudes can just play ball, measurables be damned.
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Jones has 13 20+ scoring games in the last two years. He’s continued to improve all 4 years. Year 5 could be another leap. Who knows
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Jones has a <40" vertical so HARD PASS /s
Sometimes dudes can just play ball, measurables be damned.
The shot goes in, I don’t care how lol
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@mayjay said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark Boy, I can’t wait for the freaking Masked Prospects to get revealed. All these little crumbs…like waiting for a Top 40 countdown back in the 60’s when they took 4 hours to get to the top while hinting at a revolutionary new Number 1 and playing only 10 two-and-a-half minute songs each hour!
I wasted hours of my life listening to programs like that in my youth.
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Looking more into the fit of the Stanford 2, I think Haase used them all wrong, maybe out of necessity. Their most common starting lineup last year had Jones at the 2 and Ingram at the 3. Like what. And their PG was ATROCIOUS. Like a PER below 10 bad. Obviously a lineup that disjointed would keep the numbers down. Surprisingly their offensive output was pretty good. Angel and Jones were very good shooters, and Ingram was a solid utility guy. But holy crap when you start 3 forwards and a center with a bad PG things are going to be ugly. I think better floor spacing and a PG that is actually pretty damn good will unlock a lot of potential in those guys.
If you look just at minutes played last year: Jones (6’7 wing), Ingram (6’8 wing, more like a 4), Michael Jones (6’5, one dimensional shooter), Angel (6’8 wing), O’Connell (6’2 PG), Maxime Reynaud (7’1 C). No wonder they sucked.
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@wissox Yeah Cole is great lol
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Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke…
I’m actually excited to see where that goes.
I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.
“We Ernestly believe!” How bout it?
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke…
I’m actually excited to see where that goes.
I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.
“We Ernestly believe!” How bout it?
He has great hands and instincts. I think he can be special as well.
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@BShark just need to learn to set screens!
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Shoot 1000 made shots a day
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke…
I’m actually excited to see where that goes.
I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.
“We Ernestly believe!” How bout it?
I don’t think he’s more athletic than Doke and he hasn’t shown any ability to make a shot outside of 5 feet like Doke. Udeh does have the potential to be a very good college player by his junior or senior season.
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He did pretty well in limited minutes for a frosh Big here tho right? I mean don’t we kinda need to look at it in that light? Hasn’t been alot of KU freshman Big that shined
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@Texas-Hawk-10 could be misremembering on my part and I’ll admit that up front. But I would submit Doke wasn’t ridiculous outside of 5 ft as a freshman either
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 could be misremembering on my part and I’ll admit that up front. But I would submit Doke wasn’t ridiculous outside of 5 ft as a freshman either
Doke was never good outside of 5 feet. With his size, I don’t think Self is going to focus much on developing that part of Udeh’s game either and with Udeh only being a 40% FT shooter this year, would probably be a fruitless endeavor anyway. Udeh as a freshman was also nowhere near the rebounder or shot blocker that Doke was either.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 or was he? Per minute? I’d have to research that. I feel like Doke played ALOT more. Udeh gets after the ball a lot. Disrupts defensively almost all the time. Something he would obviously have to back down on a Lil. Like pick his moments if he were playing more obviously
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 or was he? Per minute? I’d have to research that. I feel like Doke played ALOT more. Udeh gets after the ball a lot. Disrupts defensively almost all the time. Something he would obviously have to back down on a Lil. Like pick his moments if he were playing more obviously
I’m using advanced stats when comparing their numbers. Doke as a freshman only played 11 games and was against non-confernce teams. Doke had a 26.3% defensive rebounding rate meaning when he was on defense, he got just over 1/4 of every rebound on the defensive end of the floor. Doke also had an 18.7% total rebounding rate meaning he got a little under 1/5 of every rebound while he was on the floor. Udeh on the other hand had rebounding rates of 13.2% on defense and 12.1% overall meaning Udeh got about 1/8 rebounds. Doke also had a block rate over 12% meaning he blocked 1 out of every 8 shots he defended while Udeh had a block rate of 7.7% meaning Udeh blocked about 1 out of every 12 shots he defended.
So Doke was quite a bit ahead of Udeh in those areas as freshmen. I’m sure Doke’s numbers probably would’ve reduced some had he stayed healthy his freshmen year, but still would’ve been significantly better than Udeh.
Zuby Ejiofor is actually the one with the comparable numbers to Doke in those areas as a freshman. Zuby had 24% defensive rebounding rate, 19.1% total rebounding rate, and a block rate of 12.5%. Zuby is actually the better Doke comparison of KU’s two freshmen big men last season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 oh nice. You definitely put in the work I was unwilling to. Haha. Maybe I do have some delusions of grandeur then. I just “Ernestly” like watchin the kid play
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I see that Zuby’s rate was 24% drb and 19.1% trb. So perhaps we should not look at Udeh, but at Zuby for a Doke clone!
Edit: did you add the Zuby stuff while I was off looking it up? Or did I miss it? Anyway, I see you said it!
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@cragarhawk Here is the reference for these stats. Scroll down to the Advanced chart.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas/men/2023.html
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What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?
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@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?
He’s very good at basketball.
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@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?
He’s very good at basketball.
Getting away from Brewster helped him. Things were interesting there
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@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?
He’s very good at basketball.
Where’s he going? KU recruit him at all?
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@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?
He’s very good at basketball.
Where’s he going? KU recruit him at all?
Oh that’s what you meant. The NBA directly.
We did! Not enough money.
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I know we don’t necessarily need a big… but I would go get Hunter Dickinson just because…
Also heard a rumor that McCullar may not go after all. Not sure the validity
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I know we don’t necessarily need a big… but I would go get Hunter Dickinson just because…
Bill wants a big. Hunter should move to the top of the board you would think.
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@BShark especially one that can hit from outside. I would say he wasn’t at his best this season. I watched Michigan quite a bit and I think that whole team was just so incohesive for whatever reason. It put all of them in a different funk on any given night
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If Hunter Dickinson has interest in KU, you make room for him. Self or someone else should already have been on phone pitching him on a spot here.
because he is a game changer for someone and at a place like KU where Self loves playing through the post, Dickinson could be a national player of the year candidate here. Adams, Udeh, and Ejiofor are not at that level of good yet.
That said, I don’t think Dickinson will be wearing crimson and blue next season. Kentucky or Georgetown are likely the landing spots for Dickinson. Kentucky will likely be dependent on Oscar Tshiebwe leaving which sounds likely at this point and Georgetown is a strong contender because Dickinson is from the DC area and have a good coach in Ed Cooley who will be looking to get Georgetown turned around in a hurry. Dickinson would be that guy for Cooley.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 this all makes sense. But we have 1 thing going that the others don’t necessarily and that’s winning. That’s why he went back to Michigan this season and it didn’t happen. He could be feeling a Lil hungry. CS is hopefully preparing to throw the proverbial kitchen sink as we speak or already has
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Syracuse is a dark horse here too.
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He surely isn’t gonna wanna rebuild Gtown… Cooley is a terrific coach imo but that’s not happening overnight. HD wants to win now I think. Syracuse? Kind of same story?
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 this all makes sense. But we have 1 thing going that the others don’t necessarily and that’s winning. That’s why he went back to Michigan this season and it didn’t happen. He could be feeling a Lil hungry. CS is hopefully preparing to throw the proverbial kitchen sink as we speak or already has
UK and Michigan were his final two out of high school. UK can offer more NIL money than anyone else. Oscar Tshiebwe is the hurdle there and it sounds like he’s strongly leaning towards beginning his pro career.
Georgetown is home and their NIL program is also very strong and willing to do whatever Ed Cooley needs to rebuild Georgetown quickly. And Ed Cooley is more than capable of that considering what he accomplished at Providence. With the portal, he can have Georgetown in the tournament next season. Look at what Tang did at KSU this year and Dickinson is maybe an even bigger impact player than Keyontae Johnson was.
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Georgetown is a sleeping giant. That whole university has a lot of built in advantages
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Georgetown is a sleeping giant. That whole university has a lot of built in advantages
I can not believe people were flaming Goodman for saying it’s a better job than Providence.
They are not comparable. Ewing was just unfathomably bad.
Endowment wise comparing those two would be like comparing Kansas and Missouri State.
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Yep. Almost went there for my master’s and I lived in DC for awhile. That area is crazy nice. The campus is beautiful and DC has a ton of basketball talent.
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First thing I saw in Washington DC… our illustrious Nation’s capital… was a hooker…
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@cragarhawk like a lady of the night or member of Congress
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@FarmerJayhawk Warren Brewster Hooker left office in 1898, @cragarhawk 's not that old…
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Oh i guess there were a few more Hookers after that…
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Definitely a lady of the night. But it was not night. Lol.
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@cragarhawk Did you see anything after that, he asks smiling naively?
