KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Troubling to see Harris under 60%. He doesn’t look like a confident shooter at the line. Something he will have to address this offseason
What’s weird is that he was around 80% his first two years. Not sure what caused his dip in %.
Not sure how much it would impact him in regards to the FT line but he has been really banged up this year.
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Heard some people speculating about Caleb Love. Not happening. He wants to go pro but will likely end up at Mizzou. WOOF.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Heard some people speculating about Caleb Love. Not happening. He wants to go pro but will likely end up at Mizzou. WOOF.
Tarholes cutting him loose?
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@BShark a divorce seems highly likely, yeah
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@wissox said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I’ve never heard anything definitive from Gradey. I’d guess he probably is, but his 2nd half soured some and he just might be the type who sticks around for more.
If he leaves his legacy is he was our only starting 5 starter who didn’t make double digits in the game that knocked us out.
Fans have memories… and they tend to be critical memories. For most of our OAD players they were never a KU guy before coming here.
I’m going out on a limb… and saying he is coming back!
Call me a sucka… but he said he was always KU growing up and he dreamed about this moment. Right now… not much of a dream what went down.
What we need is for him to come back and while he is at it… call Kevin and convince him to return. Then… with our recruiting class we are ranked in Top 5 start of next year (and actually deserve it)!
Then he will make his mark at KU… he can build his body and become a higher draft pick next year regardless of strength of draft. He spends the summer slurping on pea protein and pumping iron. Look what it did for JWil… consensus All American?
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Bill is turning up the heat.
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@BShark something about to pop?
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@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark something about to pop?
Things are going to happen fast. Bill isn’t playing.
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@BShark exodus? Or incoming? Or both?
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@BShark 3 incoming transfers or just the two redbirds?
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@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark 3 incoming transfers or just the two redbirds?
2-3. Would think 2 at this juncture.
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@BShark he better not be playing this offseason because our rivals are still playing while we are at home. Every radio station in the state is continuously jerking off Tang and the mild cats. One year of that Bull S is as much as I care to hear.
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@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark he better not be playing this offseason because our rivals are still playing while we are at home. Every radio station in the state is continuously jerking off Tang and the mild cats. One year of that Bull S is as much as I care to hear.
You already knew that would be the case. - Every ONCE in about a decade they have a fairly decent team. We shall see how good they are NEXT season since the two studs of that team is gone after this year. -Let them thump their chest a minute cause in a heart beat they will be throwing all the sweatshirts - -hats- -jacket and anything else back in the closet not to be seen after this year for ANOTHER TEN YEARS or longer.
Just like the ol saying goes " The Sun has to shine on a dogs ass sometime " - this is the year for the sun to shine on that purple ass. One year or quality team and they think they are instant blue blood. Let them win consistently yr after yr for like 10 years then maybe they would have something. - They have ONE year. - THIS TO SHALL PASS - - SO LET IT BE WRITTEN - - SO LET IT BE DONE.-- -ROCK CHALK BUDDY
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@drgnslayr said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@wissox said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I’ve never heard anything definitive from Gradey. I’d guess he probably is, but his 2nd half soured some and he just might be the type who sticks around for more.
If he leaves his legacy is he was our only starting 5 starter who didn’t make double digits in the game that knocked us out.
Fans have memories… and they tend to be critical memories. For most of our OAD players they were never a KU guy before coming here.
I’m going out on a limb… and saying he is coming back!
Call me a sucka… but he said he was always KU growing up and he dreamed about this moment. Right now… not much of a dream what went down.
What we need is for him to come back and while he is at it… call Kevin and convince him to return. Then… with our recruiting class we are ranked in Top 5 start of next year (and actually deserve it)!
Then he will make his mark at KU… he can build his body and become a higher draft pick next year regardless of strength of draft. He spends the summer slurping on pea protein and pumping iron. Look what it did for JWil… consensus All American?
LOL , OH my friend you REALLY need to slowly put the pipe down and slowly back away. Listen closely – listen- - there is NO WAY NONE that Grady is coming back .You might as well get over it it’s ok - we will be just fine without Grady. -He put in his one year and now moving on to bigger and better things for him. - -Lik ol what’s his name – Aaron said - -R - -E- -L - - - A - X things gonna work out lol
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One down with Cam Martin out the door.
We hardly knew ya…
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Painful watching Caleb Love Jack up shots all year. That dude doesn’t care about playing for a team
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Painful watching Caleb Love Jack up shots all year. That dude doesn’t care about playing for a team
He can’t come here. I won’t allow it.
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I won’t either, glad we didn’t get him first go around
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Well another day another transfer huh? Lol
I actually thought Yes might stick around. Is MJ next? Or does this move imply he is gonna stay?
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Well another day another transfer huh? Lol
I actually thought Yes might stick around. Is MJ next? Or does this move imply he is gonna stay?
MJ and Cuffe will be entering.
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Spencer Jones. I wonder who we’re going to get in the portal? We need a 6’8" guy, just like Jalen. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to shoot. Spencer Jones. He’s got to able to defend. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to be a scorer, because he’s going to need to lead us in scoring. Spencer Jones. Anybody have any idea who we can get?
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Spencer isn’t the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Spencer isn’t the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally
Yeah I like how the rumored pieces fit together. Not the best athletes for two of them but you are looking at getting a crafty playmaker 4 and two 38-40% three point shooter types. With the guard if things break perfectly being pretty athletic and a guy that can get his own when the set breaks down.
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@BShark Boy, I can’t wait for the freaking Masked Prospects to get revealed. All these little crumbs…like waiting for a Top 40 countdown back in the 60’s when they took 4 hours to get to the top while hinting at a revolutionary new Number 1 and playing only 10 two-and-a-half minute songs each hour!
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@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Spencer Jones. I wonder who we’re going to get in the portal? We need a 6’8" guy, just like Jalen. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to shoot. Spencer Jones. He’s got to able to defend. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to be a scorer, because he’s going to need to lead us in scoring. Spencer Jones. Anybody have any idea who we can get?
NOPE - - NOT A CLUE LOL
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Spencer isn’t the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally
He’ made the Pac 12 all defensive team a few times. Defense was never Jalen’s strong suit, so we could be better at the 4 next year on that end. He’s not the driver JW was, for sure.
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My two cents: You combine Elmarko ( love that name) with a Spencer Jones, and we got something cooking. Need one more defensive player that can shoot at the 3, and we might be in business.
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Agree I forgot to add the defensive stuff for him. We are definitely not replacing Kev’s defense with one guy but Jones probably has a good baseline of defensive skill that Self can work with, if that’s what happens.
Here’s one Stanford fan on Jones. I think we’d take all of this in a heartbeat.
He’ll go down as one of my all time favorites. Played like a stud with a splint on a finger that was clearly bothering him. Hit clutch threes, took it hard to the rack, made great cuts, played tenacious defense, and fought for every rebound. He epitomized Haase’s mantra of tough, invested, and selfless. He was the beating heart of this team all year, and it was no different tonight. Whenever we needed a big play, it seemed he was the guy to make it. I’ll miss seeing him in Cardinal and White (or the ugly black uniforms) but I wish him well in his next adventure.
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Jones has a <40" vertical so HARD PASS /s
Sometimes dudes can just play ball, measurables be damned.
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Jones has 13 20+ scoring games in the last two years. He’s continued to improve all 4 years. Year 5 could be another leap. Who knows
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Jones has a <40" vertical so HARD PASS /s
Sometimes dudes can just play ball, measurables be damned.
The shot goes in, I don’t care how lol
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@mayjay said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark Boy, I can’t wait for the freaking Masked Prospects to get revealed. All these little crumbs…like waiting for a Top 40 countdown back in the 60’s when they took 4 hours to get to the top while hinting at a revolutionary new Number 1 and playing only 10 two-and-a-half minute songs each hour!
I wasted hours of my life listening to programs like that in my youth.
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Looking more into the fit of the Stanford 2, I think Haase used them all wrong, maybe out of necessity. Their most common starting lineup last year had Jones at the 2 and Ingram at the 3. Like what. And their PG was ATROCIOUS. Like a PER below 10 bad. Obviously a lineup that disjointed would keep the numbers down. Surprisingly their offensive output was pretty good. Angel and Jones were very good shooters, and Ingram was a solid utility guy. But holy crap when you start 3 forwards and a center with a bad PG things are going to be ugly. I think better floor spacing and a PG that is actually pretty damn good will unlock a lot of potential in those guys.
If you look just at minutes played last year: Jones (6’7 wing), Ingram (6’8 wing, more like a 4), Michael Jones (6’5, one dimensional shooter), Angel (6’8 wing), O’Connell (6’2 PG), Maxime Reynaud (7’1 C). No wonder they sucked.
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@wissox Yeah Cole is great lol
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Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke…
I’m actually excited to see where that goes.
I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.
“We Ernestly believe!” How bout it?
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke…
I’m actually excited to see where that goes.
I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.
“We Ernestly believe!” How bout it?
He has great hands and instincts. I think he can be special as well.
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@BShark just need to learn to set screens!
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Shoot 1000 made shots a day
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke…
I’m actually excited to see where that goes.
I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.
“We Ernestly believe!” How bout it?
I don’t think he’s more athletic than Doke and he hasn’t shown any ability to make a shot outside of 5 feet like Doke. Udeh does have the potential to be a very good college player by his junior or senior season.
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He did pretty well in limited minutes for a frosh Big here tho right? I mean don’t we kinda need to look at it in that light? Hasn’t been alot of KU freshman Big that shined
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@Texas-Hawk-10 could be misremembering on my part and I’ll admit that up front. But I would submit Doke wasn’t ridiculous outside of 5 ft as a freshman either
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 could be misremembering on my part and I’ll admit that up front. But I would submit Doke wasn’t ridiculous outside of 5 ft as a freshman either
Doke was never good outside of 5 feet. With his size, I don’t think Self is going to focus much on developing that part of Udeh’s game either and with Udeh only being a 40% FT shooter this year, would probably be a fruitless endeavor anyway. Udeh as a freshman was also nowhere near the rebounder or shot blocker that Doke was either.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 or was he? Per minute? I’d have to research that. I feel like Doke played ALOT more. Udeh gets after the ball a lot. Disrupts defensively almost all the time. Something he would obviously have to back down on a Lil. Like pick his moments if he were playing more obviously
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@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 or was he? Per minute? I’d have to research that. I feel like Doke played ALOT more. Udeh gets after the ball a lot. Disrupts defensively almost all the time. Something he would obviously have to back down on a Lil. Like pick his moments if he were playing more obviously
I’m using advanced stats when comparing their numbers. Doke as a freshman only played 11 games and was against non-confernce teams. Doke had a 26.3% defensive rebounding rate meaning when he was on defense, he got just over 1/4 of every rebound on the defensive end of the floor. Doke also had an 18.7% total rebounding rate meaning he got a little under 1/5 of every rebound while he was on the floor. Udeh on the other hand had rebounding rates of 13.2% on defense and 12.1% overall meaning Udeh got about 1/8 rebounds. Doke also had a block rate over 12% meaning he blocked 1 out of every 8 shots he defended while Udeh had a block rate of 7.7% meaning Udeh blocked about 1 out of every 12 shots he defended.
So Doke was quite a bit ahead of Udeh in those areas as freshmen. I’m sure Doke’s numbers probably would’ve reduced some had he stayed healthy his freshmen year, but still would’ve been significantly better than Udeh.
Zuby Ejiofor is actually the one with the comparable numbers to Doke in those areas as a freshman. Zuby had 24% defensive rebounding rate, 19.1% total rebounding rate, and a block rate of 12.5%. Zuby is actually the better Doke comparison of KU’s two freshmen big men last season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 oh nice. You definitely put in the work I was unwilling to. Haha. Maybe I do have some delusions of grandeur then. I just “Ernestly” like watchin the kid play
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I see that Zuby’s rate was 24% drb and 19.1% trb. So perhaps we should not look at Udeh, but at Zuby for a Doke clone!
Edit: did you add the Zuby stuff while I was off looking it up? Or did I miss it? Anyway, I see you said it!
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@cragarhawk Here is the reference for these stats. Scroll down to the Advanced chart.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas/men/2023.html
