Transfer Rumblings
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Jhawk69 that guy Bill Self is LUCKY to win 800 games!
And an amazing PR talent, fooling hundreds of sportswriters, coaches, and athletes for some 30 years.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark It’s frustration that you assemble this incredible roster only to limit it with the minutes distribution due to “players the coach favors”.
@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark It’s frustration that you assemble this incredible roster only to limit it with the minutes distribution due to “players the coach favors”.
Listening to a pod ast today, they were saying face it, the KU point guard is going to play in between 30-35 minutes a game at Ku - -no matter who it is - -That’s just Bill , he is loyal to his point guards.
Now for the people who talk all the shade on Juan , like they pointed out , people thinking about how much better we could do without Juan Juan has accomplished just as much - -done just as well aa many of others that ha played for Coach, - -Juan has helped win a Championship , just a well pr better then others that has run the point
Let’s look:—Frank Mason - -how many did we win when Frank run some point ? - – -Devonte ? - – - Devon ?-- did we win any more Championships with them then we have with Juan, running point? — Have our Seasons records been any worse with Juan then with those guys other maybe this yr ? – How about when TyShawn was here ?- -the answer to that Question is NO- -we haven’t. Some of those guys ew didn’t win a Championship.
This yr you think he sucked ? - -played to many minutes ? - Quite possible who the hell you gonna replace him with ? -El Marko - psssst please , they had to rely on Kevin to try and run point just so Juan COULD get any kind of break.- -Bill couldn’t and didn’t feel comfortable with anyone else and very understandable why. - -Why was Juan not as good this year, well like they said for one–they was Playing Hunter and KJ on the floor at the same time to much–just can’t do that it’s a bad combination for an extended length of time— causes bad spacing. - -Was that Juan’s fault ?- -ummm no - -caused some forced passes. - -If Juan is sooooo bad tell me why is it he is always towards the top of the League in assists per game , for one- - Steals ?
You tak about how he doesn’t shoot- - doesn’t score enough?- -Again like they brought out today let’s give you an example - -you want Scoring pg ?-- Scoring PG’s going to win you a Championship ? – Well how about this for example–other then how they played in the regular Seasons what has Calipari accomplished the last 12 years or so with the Stud explosive Pg’s he has had ? - – - They accomplished no more then Juan.-- -Calipari’s teams have been put out in 1st rounds - - -rounds of 32 like some people here like to ring up- -or not even making the tourney with all the 5 star stud point guards they have haad during the time–explosive PG’s that you want to shoot- -well they shot- - -how many Championships have they won? – -Hmm no more then one if that—no better then Juan has helped accomplish here at Ku.—Look at some of those pg’s he has had an what did they get?- - - -Zelch that’s what.–I mean Uk had --Maxey - – Wall - - Alexander-- Fox-- - -Murray - -how many Championships did they win ? -One between them just like Juan -if that . - these guys were all or most were 5 star golden boys and you got ONE championship between them just like Juan – ONE FRIKEN CHAMPIONSHIP, hmmm wonder why if they are so much better then Juan what the F - - - happened wit their group ?- - UK had star studded teams with stud golden boy PG’s and didn’t win squat
Save your breath trying to tell me about things they might have won individually and not even sure if they won anything individually, but last time I knew the GOAL for every team is to win the National title. --Being an all American, or league MVP- -or any othr individual honor is jack squat for the team- -It’s suppose to be about th team - -NOT the individual, and Kentucky is just one example of teams with Really talent point guards that haven’t accomplished one da thing more then this un heard of kid with hardly any accolades coming out of High School. - What was Juan a 3 star kid–all these Golden boys 5 star and they didn’t accomplish jack shit that Juan didn’t Whether yo want to admit it or not Juan was Huge in a lot of ways other then scoring in our come back win over North Carolina–defending - -assists-- and some scoring- Hell ya is a pass first PG, he directs the offense- I’m glad we have him, he doesn’t decide the minutes Coach does that and has done pretty well at it. --Ya he play a lot of minutes this past year-- -cause HE HAD TO we had no depth or anyone else that could do any better – Looking forward to him on the floor again this yr
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@jayballer67 I attempted to scan all of that.
I’ll stick to my point if Juan plays 30-35 mpg we will not win a title. We will be lucky to get to the final 4.
You can quote those team accolades for him but it shows guys on the podcast and many other supporters didn’t bother to watch what took place against creighton, providence and unc…… just complete revisionist history
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@Jhawk69 Worked well this year eh??? What about Morningstar and Reed over Selby….howd that number 1 team turn out? They burn through the tourney winning by 15???
What about Jamari Taylor and that whole situation how’d those teams do???
Proof is in the pudding. Self can win games no arguments but he limits the ceiling of the team but maintains a high floor.
He should have 4-5 titles but doesn’t. Got 1 because we had just nba studs in 08 and 22 was sheer luck that we were due from all our previous bad tourney breaks.
For all the top rosters and number 1 seeds and his “coaching and x’ing and o’ing it” it’s produced good lil 12 titles and 30 win seasons with more disappointments than mountain tops
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Remember folks, nobody has won titles with good players or a good draw. It’s only Self
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@kuballin10 Great point! Not winning the title every year and having a down year (which would be a good year for most programs) last season proves that Self has no idea which players to play.
I also agree that playing Josh “20 turnovers a game” Selby would have helped us survive VCU’s fluke 3 point barrage and win the title in 2020.
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@Jhawk69 One of the Morris twins made up for it with 8 TOs. Just remember, the Gospel of HEM is holy writ that it was Self’s fault because he played Brady instead of better players (who no doubt would have improved our 9% 3pt avg and overall <36% FG avg).
kuballin’ is an accolyte of the Dark Lord…or maybe a reincarnation.
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@mayjay said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Jhawk69 One of the Morris twins made up for it with 8 TOs. Just remember, the Gospel of HEM is holy writ that it was Self’s fault because he played Brady instead of better players (who no doubt would have improved our 9% 3pt avg and overall <36% FG avg).
kuballin’ is an accolyte of the Dark Lord…or maybe a reincarnation.
The Saruman to HEM’s Sauron.
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Don’t mean to interrupt the shitting on kuballin, but was wondering if anyone had a program vibes update on if Kugel’s transfer will get worked out?
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@MR11 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Don’t mean to interrupt the shitting on kuballin, but was wondering if anyone had a program vibes update on if Kugel’s transfer will get worked out?
He needs to get about 6 credits sorted out. There is optimism around the situation.
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@FarmerJayhawk Yeah that’s 100% what I said - solid analysis there Farmer.
People hammer Cal for his roster talent and 1 title
Bill’s had the same talent and has 2 with all those 1 seeds ect. Something to dive into there….and yes, it has to do with philosophy and minute distribution
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@Jhawk69 I mean seems to be 100% proof.
Selby could least athletically compete with vcu in 2012……fluke or not go figure another team careers it from deep against us. Every team does it’s almost like it has to do with the defensive system the guys are coaches on……
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@BShark can’t he just take some summer courses and call it good?
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@kuballin10 I’d argue Bill doesn’t have the same talent as Cal. Kentucky almost always has over 5-6 5 star guys. Cal just doesn’t coach them up. Most stay a yr and move on to the NBA. Look at our Championship yr, how many 5 stars did we have? Our coaches always find hidden talented guys then coach them up. They stay awhile and get better. Once in awhile we get a Wiggs and an embiid. Not often. As we know now, Kentucky fans were getting tired of that.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@FarmerJayhawk Yeah that’s 100% what I said - solid analysis there Farmer.
People hammer Cal for his roster talent and 1 title
Bill’s had the same talent and has 2 with all those 1 seeds ect. Something to dive into there….and yes, it has to do with philosophy and minute distribution
Self has 100% absolutely not been handed the same talent as Cal… That is an insane comment.
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@Woodrow The dumbest comment I’ve read in years frankly. Just look at how many are still in the NBA. It’s not close. Cal has unreal talent constantly.
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@BShark NIT coach!
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I attempted to scan all of that.
I’ll stick to my point if Juan plays 30-35 mpg we will not win a title. We will be lucky to get to the final 4.
You can quote those team accolades for him but it shows guys on the podcast and many other supporters didn’t bother to watch what took place against creighton, providence and unc…… just complete revisionist history
Team acoledes is what it’s about sparky. You don’t win a Championship OR lose a Championship because of one plyer. No matter how hard you have it for Juan, there is no way possible that he could lose a championship by himself. - So many other things contribute to that.
Again simple question AGAIN - -how many Championships that you would much rather play Pg for us instead of Juan - - Simple question - -how many Championships did those golden boys win ? - - Go ahead I’ll wait… Here let me help you out - - -NONE or if they got lucky ONE just like Juan - -not anymore - -how’s that for your 5* wonders ? -chaps your ass a little doesn’t it? -they didn’t do any better then the one you lose sleep over cause he plays - -dam don’t that just bite your ass roflmao.
Juan is a typical pass oriented Pg. - -Always has been -always will be -and STILL done as much as your golden spooned Bitch’s - What is KU’s record overall with Juan running the point ?— And won a Natty on top of that - -I’d say pretty dam good. Hang in there sparky, you just keep barking, maybe some day you will gt somebody to listen to babble on and on. - Have a great day- – -ROCK CHALK
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And… Cal’s one championship was beating Bill by 6 points with a loaded roster and KU coming back. We just ran out of time that game. Guess Cal got a lucky draw to face Kansas!
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
And… Cal’s one championship was beating Bill by 6 points with a loaded roster and KU coming back. We just ran out of time that game. Guess Cal got a lucky draw to face Kansas!
Bill Self with Teahan playing 21 mpg and a couple of non-NBA pros vs Calipari with a hall of famer (not joking) and 4 more guys that lasted 6+ real years in the NBA.
Zero doubt who the better coach is.
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@BShark Justin Wesley was a rotation player on that team.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 didn’t Keith Langford pay for his tuition?
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Oh my god Billlllll SELF is BAAAAAAAAAAACK
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@BShark eh?
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If all comes to pass idk how in the world it’s all going to come together but it will be spectacular
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark eh?
Bill is not done. Might see another REAL guy commit this week.
Options are Jaxson Robinson and mystery wing (I’m trying my best to get this second name).
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The Billy Eugene DGAF Tour continues apace
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Like Robinson isn’t that good but he is an absolute loose cannon off the bench and that has its appeal
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taps sign again https://x.com/isaac__trotter/status/1785079042611220869?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Like Robinson isn’t that good but he is an absolute loose cannon off the bench and that has its appeal
Isn’t Robinson from BYU ?-- - or am I thinking of wrong guy ?
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IF we get another commit , must mean Kugel is out for sure then right? - To open the Scholi.
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@jayballer67 Not necessarily, with Philon decommitting we are currently sitting with one 1 open schollie.
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@jayballer67 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Like Robinson isn’t that good but he is an absolute loose cannon off the bench and that has its appeal
Isn’t Robinson from BYU ?-- - or am I thinking of wrong guy ?
Yessir
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All business this offseason.
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@PharmacyHawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 Not necessarily, with Philon decommitting we are currently sitting with one 1 open schollie.
oh ya , that’s right totally forgot about that. — Thanks
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Like Robinson isn’t that good but he is an absolute loose cannon off the bench and that has its appeal
Isn’t Robinson from BYU ?-- - or am I thinking of wrong guy ?
Yessir
Kind of thought so , Thanks. - Decent player
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Oh Billy my goaaaat 
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Could be awhile IF it’s Robinson , as he has enter the NBA draft to. read he is predicted to be drafted. So he has till what May 31st to pull out of the draft if he ends up returning to College.
They are counting on him coming to UK of course, be re-united with Pope.
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@BShark is the mystery wing a real guy? Give me miles Kelly lol
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@rcjhdraft said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark is the mystery wing a real guy? Give me miles Kelly lol
I will report the name as soon as I have it.
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@FarmerJayhawk He’s not coming here to come off the bench……
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@BShark That year no doubt Self didn’t have AD but trob and Tyshawn ect were legit.
What I’m saying is he has a top 1-3 roster every single year and we are constantly ranked number 1/2/3 all these years and he’s got 2 titles to show for it. Anyone not think through that?
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark That year no doubt Self didn’t have AD but trob and Tyshawn ect were legit.
What I’m saying is he has a top 1-3 roster every single year and we are constantly ranked number 1/2/3 all these years and he’s got 2 titles to show for it. Anyone not think through that?
Tell us how many coaches have won more than 2 national titles all time.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 K, Wooden, Rupp, Roy, Knight, Calhoun. 6.
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@approxinfinity I know the number. But someone else here doesn’t appreciate just how hard it is to win a national title, let alone two or more.
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Looks like 9 have 2, including Self, making him a top 15 all-time coach already, by that metric. (I know you know, but I’ll answer in order to move this conversation forward, because I don’t think the socratic method works for everyone
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@Texas-Hawk-10 It’s difficult in a one a done tourney but Self needs to get more in that 4-5 range
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And standings post 85 expansion: K: 5 Roy, Calhoun: 3 Donovan, Pitino, Hurley, Self: 2
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 It’s difficult in a one a done tourney but Self needs to get more in that 4-5 range
So he needs to do something that literally only one other coach in the modern era has done to be validated to you? Cool
