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@wissox Squeaky won all of the Losing While Trying Harder titles sponsored by UI and KSU.
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@wissox said in Other games:
@Jethro You said “Calimari is the worst bench coach in America!” I said slightly exaggerated. Yours was greatly exaggerated! Remember that coach, the one we affectionately called squeaky? He might have been the worst, but actually, I used to say that about Scott Drew because I didn’t really believe in him, until I had to two seasons ago.
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Creighton boxed Tech’s ears last night - beat them by 11. Tech has a 7 footer transfer ( Fardaws Aimaq) who averaged 19 points and 13 boards for Utah St, but he’s been hurt and hasn’t played for the Raiders yet. I think he gets back right before conference starts, so Tech could be a load this year.
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WOW. Exactly how bad is Louisville anyways ? - with 15:34 to go in the 2nd half today , Texas Tech is up on Louisville - - -45 - - - -13 . - - -THIRTEEN Points in over a half
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I’m sorry Louisville needs to move on from their everything. Not just the coach
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@BeddieKU23 said in Other games:
I’m sorry Louisville needs to move on from their everything. Not just the coach
I mean this is just Sad - mercy
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@jayballer67 said in Other games:
@BeddieKU23 said in Other games:
I’m sorry Louisville needs to move on from their everything. Not just the coach
I mean this is just Sad - mercy
Doesn’t even look like a power 5 program
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One other Cal fact. He and the other sleazy coach Rick Pitino are the only ones to coach three different schools to the final four. That’s just not the sort of thing that coaches who can’t coach do.
BTW when I looked that up, I saw that Ray Meyer coached two different DePaul teams to the Final 4 36 years apart!
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@BeddieKU23 said in Other games:
@jayballer67 said in Other games:
@BeddieKU23 said in Other games:
I’m sorry Louisville needs to move on from their everything. Not just the coach
I mean this is just Sad - mercy
Doesn’t even look like a power 5 program
It sure doesn’t s - - exactly what’s going on with that program ? -Is it just lack of talent - - I wouldn’t think so , not like this bad - -is it Payen’s Coaching or what ? - you talk about a drop off. I mean 20 points now with6:47 to go. – Tech up 58------ - - - - --20
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Louisville’s NCAA stuff just got resolved so I’d give Payne a pass for this year and a couple of years to rebuild.
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Creighton/Arkansas on ESPN. Two very impressive teams.
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@Jethro Ricky Council I’d rather have than Kev…dude can score and is crazy athletic
@FarmerJayhawk - another why not him here lol
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@kuballin10 said in Other games:
@Jethro Ricky Council I’d rather have than Kev…dude can score and is crazy athletic
@FarmerJayhawk - another why not him here lol
Must’ve sucked when you lost him.
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@Jethro said in Other games:
@kuballin10 said in Other games:
@Jethro Ricky Council I’d rather have than Kev…dude can score and is crazy athletic
@FarmerJayhawk - another why not him here lol
Must’ve sucked when you lost him.
Was awful man I gave him my best pitch and showed him all KU had to offer still wasn’t enough
Hunter Ricky Gradey Jalen Kj
National title team there
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Creighton seems determined to win the game for a few plays, then they seem to want to hand the ball to Ark to catch up. Impressive if they could 1) clean up the ball handling, and 2) defend the arc.
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@Jethro said in Other games:
Creighton/Arkansas on ESPN. Two very impressive teams.
Arkansas O is awful It’s Ricky council and Brazille doing pick and rolls that’s literally it
Schiermann hit one from deep and he and Gradey would have been fun
Yes, I’m frustrated Bill took defense over some of the better offensive players. Way easier to teach a scorer how to play defense than take a defensive guy and teach him how to score
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@mayjay said in Other games:
Creighton seems determined to win the game for a few plays, then they seem to want to hand the ball to Ark to catch up. Impressive if they could 1) clean up the ball handling, and 2) defend the arc.
The Blue Jays should be ahead by 15.
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Great game. Creighton wins by 3.
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Zona and Courtney Ramey looked great
He had 21 on 8-12 shooting 5-5 from deep 6 rebounds (yes, you read that right) 1 steal and 1 turnover
I’d take him next to Juan all day - yes Jethro I pitched him hard as well
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Not sure what happened with his recruitment. Think he ultimately went where he was guaranteed the role he wanted.
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@BeddieKU23 that stinks he must have wanted to be the pg because playing the 2 with Juan there are plenty of shots for anyone
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Also believe NIL was a factor. Something that’s becoming the difference now with these kind of players. We certainly could have used another big with size that could score.
KJ has had 8 in 3 straight. Perhaps he is going to ascend to that average which will at least be respectable.
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Boy Creighton & Arizona both look really tough
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@BeddieKU23 said in Other games:
Also believe NIL was a factor. Something that’s becoming the difference now with these kind of players. We certainly could have used another big with size that could score.
KJ has had 8 in 3 straight. Perhaps he is going to ascend to that average which will at least be respectable.
Really didn’t even try for a big. Made a late play for the kid who ended up at UNC. Reality is they though Zach would be able to score and he has just been turrible.
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I’m really shocked Zach has been MIA so far. We need him healthy though. December is a long month with only 5 games. Time to see who develops
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Fun Creighton Arizona game so far. Both legit teams
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@BeddieKU23 said in Other games:
Fun Creighton Arizona game so far. Both legit teams
Your correct buddy - - - -Very Legit teams one or the other I could see making a deep deep run in the tourney even possibly winnning. - -I really like the way Creighton plays looks
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Give me Zona they are legit
Creighton is nice but elite 8 max
Zona has final four potential
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KState is good, tournament team I think.
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@BShark I agree. Johnson is a stud.
I think Tang ends up a better coach than Drew. Drew is good and has improved. Drew comes from a bball family and he’s definitely adapted to todays game along with recurring to it.
Something about sitting under a successful coach and then finally doing it your way when the assistant is smart they can take what they like and improve what they didn’t (Tang and Floyd at AZ).
I mean look at Floyd dude lost essentially his entire starting 5 and yet the reloaded this year and he has those guys all gelled and playing well in November! So much for him being just a bag man at Gonzaga he clearly knows how to coach.
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Arkansas and San Diego St. has been a great game so far. Hogs currently up 3 in OT in the 3rd place game in Maui.
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“This looks like staring up at the earth from the bottom of Hells Canyon”. Guess who’s announcing Michigan St-Alabama right now?
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FYI, KU toughened up the Badgers for USC today and we took care of them in regulation.
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@wissox said in Other games:
FYI, KU toughened up the Badgers for USC today and we took care of them in regulation.
They looked very good. New found respect for Wiskey. USC is a tournament team, imo.
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Always easy to root against Duke - -they just sooo soo, non likeable lol- -everyr year
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There is always a Duke player easy not to like - example tripper boy - Giminski - - - – This year Roach is the player targeted lol
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Villanova is struggling early. 2-4, with a loss to Portland today.
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@Gorilla72 said in Other games:
Villanova is struggling early. 2-4, with a loss to Portland today.
NOT looking forward to when Self hangs em up. Coaching matters.
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Mercy Iowa State turning opponents at a 23 TO per game clip. - -Iowa St also up on N Carol right now , however Carolina ha yet to really imprss me this year for being the # 1 ranked team in the nation. - -They been struggling to win their games
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@jayballer67 They are overrated in the polls like us. They are like…54th on KENPOM if you remove last year’s data.
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@BShark said in Other games:
@jayballer67 They are overrated in the polls like us. They are like…54th on KENPOM if you remove last year’s data.
Ya I believe they are - -just not playing that great. - - -Grill for Iowa State burying the three’s 5 tonight - -he can stroke the rock
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@BShark said in Other games:
@Gorilla72 said in Other games:
Villanova is struggling early. 2-4, with a loss to Portland today.
NOT looking forward to when Self hangs em up. Coaching matters.
Tomorrows problem. Leave it there. Who knows? KU might end up with its fourth straight upgrade at coach.
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Nobody should look forward to Self retiring.
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Gonzaga only scored 28 in this half. Mark Few is stuck in the 1980’s.
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@FarmerJayhawk umm KU only scored 25 in both halves. Glad it’s early in the season, there are a few kinks to work out.
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@dylans from halftime of Wisconsin on we’ve lost 112 to 86 (second half and OT if Wisconsin and then TN game).
Took our lumps let’s see what Self does with this team offensively
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@dylans definitely. And nobody better at ironing them out than Bill Self
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Can someone please define the responsibilities of a PG ? - -there seems to be a difference of opinion with some here. I always thought and or heard that a PG duties was to run the team like a QB - set the offense , distribute to others getting them shots , open looks & some Scoring , making the assists
People saying 9.0 is NOT enough - -need to score more. - If you have your others doing what they should then 9 points a game should be sufficient.
As ew know are we should know this team right now has serious limitations. As been mentioned before -we have got to get somebody else to be able to score the ball. Most of or at least a lot of the problems center around our 5. -we have just got to get something out of them - -we have to get something out of our bench. -other then last night with Joe scoring and that was out of necessity with Juan foul problems we have gotten zelch from the bench.
I would think Zach would be the logical choice. - -Seen a little flash last year, hasn’t really shown yet this year , but if he is on he is a big that can stretch the floor, pull opposition away from the basket - -Ernest & Zuby better rebounders - -just no offensive skills at this point at all. - If we could get Zach off the snide other tteams would be more forced to play honestly instead of sagging off others
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@jayballer67 said in Other games:
Can someone please define the responsibilities of a PG ? - -there seems to be a difference of opinion with some here. I always thought and or heard that a PG duties was to run the team like a QB - set the offense , distribute to others getting them shots , open looks & some Scoring , making the assists
People saying 9.0 is NOT enough - -need to score more. - If you have your others doing what they should then 9 points a game should be sufficient.
As ew know are we should know this team right now has serious limitations. As been mentioned before -we have got to get somebody else to be able to score the ball. Most of or at least a lot of the problems center around our 5. -we have just got to get something out of them - -we have to get something out of our bench. -other then last night with Joe scoring and that was out of necessity with Juan foul problems we have gotten zelch from the bench.
I would think Zach would be the logical choice. - -Seen a little flash last year, hasn’t really shown yet this year , but if he is on he is a big that can stretch the floor, pull opposition away from the basket - -Ernest & Zuby better rebounders - -just no offensive skills at this point at all. - If we could get Zach off the snide other tteams would be more forced to play honestly instead of sagging off others
There’s different styles of PG and Self has traditionally preferred PG’s who look to score so Harris definitely breaks that mold of what we expect out of a Bill Self PG. Under Self, he’s had what I would consider to be 4 PG’s that don’t fit the mold of a score first PG. Aaron Miles whom he inherited from Roy. Russell Robinson who came to KU with a reputation as a big time scorer, Naadir Tharpe, and now Harris amd none of those 4 were Self’s first choice at PG other than Miles because he inherited him. Robinson was known as a scorer in HS and when that didn’t translate to KU, Self tried making Chalmers the PG first before handing the keys to Robinson. Thorpe was something like the 7th or 8th option in his class and KU ended up with him because of a bunch of recruiting misses around the time Self was way off on recruiting and had a bunch of misses and desperate signings. Harris was pretty similar to Tharpe in that regard in that he wasn’t Self’s first choice and done more as a favor to Braun, but has obviously far outperformed his recruiting ranking.
As far as actual on court style, Harris has a very similar game to Aaron Miles in that neither were good shooters, neither looked to get their own shot first, and both were happier to create for others. A lot of the complaints against Harris stem from the fact we’re so used to seeing our PG be either first or second in scoring because that’s Self’s preferred style of PG play.
I will also say that the roster composition for both title teams was very similar. A play making PG with the scoring PG as the 6th man (Robinson-Collins, Harris-Martin), a second guard that could shoot lights out (Chalmers, Braun), a wing that could do a little bit of everything (Rush, Agbaji), a 4 that could drive and clean up on glass (Arthur, Wilson), and a 5 that was serviceable, but not flashy (Jackson/Kaun, McCormack). Obviously those two teams had their own individual strengths and weaknesses (2008 was much better in defense and 2022 was much better on offense), but there were a lot of similarities with how those teams were constructed in March.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Other games:
@jayballer67 said in Other games:
Can someone please define the responsibilities of a PG ? - -there seems to be a difference of opinion with some here. I always thought and or heard that a PG duties was to run the team like a QB - set the offense , distribute to others getting them shots , open looks & some Scoring , making the assists
People saying 9.0 is NOT enough - -need to score more. - If you have your others doing what they should then 9 points a game should be sufficient.
As ew know are we should know this team right now has serious limitations. As been mentioned before -we have got to get somebody else to be able to score the ball. Most of or at least a lot of the problems center around our 5. -we have just got to get something out of them - -we have to get something out of our bench. -other then last night with Joe scoring and that was out of necessity with Juan foul problems we have gotten zelch from the bench.
I would think Zach would be the logical choice. - -Seen a little flash last year, hasn’t really shown yet this year , but if he is on he is a big that can stretch the floor, pull opposition away from the basket - -Ernest & Zuby better rebounders - -just no offensive skills at this point at all. - If we could get Zach off the snide other tteams would be more forced to play honestly instead of sagging off others
There’s different styles of PG and Self has traditionally preferred PG’s who look to score so Harris definitely breaks that mold of what we expect out of a Bill Self PG. Under Self, he’s had what I would consider to be 4 PG’s that don’t fit the mold of a score first PG. Aaron Miles whom he inherited from Roy. Russell Robinson who came to KU with a reputation as a big time scorer, Naadir Tharpe, and now Harris amd none of those 4 were Self’s first choice at PG other than Miles because he inherited him. Robinson was known as a scorer in HS and when that didn’t translate to KU, Self tried making Chalmers the PG first before handing the keys to Robinson. Thorpe was something like the 7th or 8th option in his class and KU ended up with him because of a bunch of recruiting misses around the time Self was way off on recruiting and had a bunch of misses and desperate signings. Harris was pretty similar to Tharpe in that regard in that he wasn’t Self’s first choice and done more as a favor to Braun, but has obviously far outperformed his recruiting ranking.
As far as actual on court style, Harris has a very similar game to Aaron Miles in that neither were good shooters, neither looked to get their own shot first, and both were happier to create for others. A lot of the complaints against Harris stem from the fact we’re so used to seeing our PG be either first or second in scoring because that’s Self’s preferred style of PG play.
I will also say that the roster composition for both title teams was very similar. A play making PG with the scoring PG as the 6th man (Robinson-Collins, Harris-Martin), a second guard that could shoot lights out (Chalmers, Braun), a wing that could do a little bit of everything (Rush, Agbaji), a 4 that could drive and clean up on glass (Arthur, Wilson), and a 5 that was serviceable, but not flashy (Jackson/Kaun, McCormack). Obviously those two teams had their own individual strengths and weaknesses (2008 was much better in defense and 2022 was much better on offense), but there were a lot of similarities with how those teams were constructed in March.
Thank you. at least you can be civil in your response. Greatly Appreciated
