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@bskeet Juan and McCullar are two of the most dominant players absent scoring in the sport. They just create good things all the time even if it’s not them putting it in the bucket.
I agree we’ll need MJ before it’s all said and done. He’s too good (and that word choice is on purpose, he’s good, not just talented) to be in a slump all year.
I said this in the game thread, but we’re not close to our ceiling. I’m very confident one bench but will emerge (who? Idk, Bill would love to know) and MJ will get better. Bobby is obviously showing flashes, he just needs time. Given that everyone kinda sucks, I think we have as good a shot as anyone. But that is not a good chance. There’s too much parity in the sport this year for anyone to feel good about their chances.
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@FarmerJayhawk agreed that our chances are as good as anyone but still highly unlikely. Repeats just don’t happen that often and selfishly, I’d like this team to believe that no one thinks they can win this thing. Chips win Ships. Jalen was all in on the no one believed in us train last year and if we keep him there this year that can only be good for us.
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@benshawks08 couldn’t agree more. I get the feeling this will be a season of many ebbs and flows, and whoever gets hot in March will win. Like some random school could make a run. Could be us? But, like you said, not likely. After all, this was supposed to be a bridge year.
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Why couldn’t it be us!
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Stats are misleading. Heck… we should be starting Jank!
For the most part, Joe isn’t passing the eye test. I’m not saying he shouldn’t look for his shot… he should. Sometimes his stuff looks forced and it sticks out more when the rest of his team is playing like they are.
BTW: I’m a Joe fan!
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Glad to see someone else think like me that we can win another title, back-to-back!
But it’s a long season… let’s hope we stay healthy!
That Indiana game came at the right time… with us having to defend the paint. Spending the week working on that was not only brilliant but helping us for the entire year defend down low (which was questionable until now). We are starting to play like a really good Nova team!
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@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Stats are misleading. Heck… we should be starting Jank!
For the most part, Joe isn’t passing the eye test. I’m not saying he shouldn’t look for his shot… he should. Sometimes his stuff looks forced and it sticks out more when the rest of his team is playing like they are.
BTW: I’m a Joe fan!
I think he is okay but Self and this roster specifically are not a good fit for him.
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Not a good fit right now… but like I said, relieve this idea he has to score a bunch of points. Joe has great wheels and body. He can be another great defender for us if he was focusing heavy on defense and then letting his shot come to him.
He’s a guy that should represent quality bench depth… he’s not so far away from being that. Change his focus and watch what happens.
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@drgnslayr That’s not his game though, very hard to change at this stage.
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No player comes to KU focused on defense ahead of offense… except maybe Kevin! Oh… and Marcus!
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@drgnslayr I wouldn’t disagree with that but I don’t see it happening for Joe. At this point he has been here for over a season and Self has avoided playing him when possible.
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@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Glad to see someone else think like me that we can win another title, back-to-back!
But it’s a long season… let’s hope we stay healthy!
That Indiana game came at the right time… with us having to defend the paint. Spending the week working on that was not only brilliant but helping us for the entire year defend down low (which was questionable until now). We are starting to play like a really good Nova team!
You’re right, it is definitely a possibility. Other teams have done, why couldn’t we?
I also like the Nova comparisons. As you and I have talked about numerous times, the size of the team you have doesn’t matter if the players are skilled enough to negate that disadvantage. That’s how Nova beat Roy in 2016 in spite of Carolina’s vastly superior post presence.
A couple things I saw in the final four that Self used that give me confidence going forward is the trapping and posting up guards, both classic staples of Jay Wrights teams that we ALWAYS struggled with, and now we are not only doing it to other teams but defeated Nova using their own game plan! That first half defense against Nova was literally a combo of the 2008 champs and Novas 2016 team - very impressive.
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Oh this team can definitely repeat but it’s too early in the season to worry about it. The last 3-4 games have shown us a real glimpse of how good we can be and there’s several more layers I think this team can reach if certain guys continue to grind away. We may not have a perfect roster but our 1-5 can match just about anyone.
Right now KU has 4 starters good enough for First Team all Big 12. Voters would be lying to themselves if they didn’t see this as realistic right now
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now KU has 4 starters good enough for First Team all Big 12.
From your lips to God’s ears. Now that would be incredible.
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@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Stats are misleading. Heck… we should be starting Jank!
For the most part, Joe isn’t passing the eye test. I’m not saying he shouldn’t look for his shot… he should. Sometimes his stuff looks forced and it sticks out more when the rest of his team is playing like they are.
BTW: I’m a Joe fan!
I don’t understand why they don’t clear out a lane to the basket, and let him drive, drive drive. The dude is lightning quick.
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Your post is soooo spot on!
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@BShark Amazing stuff considering KJ’s lack of height compared to Doke. I think that from what I’ve seen KJ is gun shy to shoot which is good considering his lack of any range at all.
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@wissox He knows his role for sure. Dunks/lay-ups only. KU’s offense being as solid as it is with so many non-shooters is pretty impressive and also says something about 5 out basketball in general. You basically shouldn’t even be posting up guys unless they are scoring around 65% of the time. It’s been a welcome change. I’m intrigued to see if it will stick or if it is because we just don’t have a guy that can post up at all.
I’d be interested to play Tennessee again on full rest without Dajuan in foul trouble. Final four perhaps, heh.
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@BShark Yeah, I’m warming up to the team again after that Tennessee beatdown. Still gonna take some time for me to see how we respond to a similar team. Was Indiana similar? Even before Saturday I was saying IU was overrated.
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@wissox They weren’t super far off in terms of overall ratings. Tennessee has the #1 defense by a fair bit which we are probably helping by being so good after that. They apparently had a players meeting after the Tennessee game. I do think even despite the team being tired, Juan not being able to play was a big impact as well.
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I remember the foul and how bad it got after it. But I’m still not sure we win. Last year I was similar in thought because Kentucky really embarrassed us. I thought after that loss there’s no way that KU team is going to win the NC. Similar to 88 KU’s win was paved with good fortune along the way. Playing Miami in Elite 8, injured Villanova in FF, 8th seed in NC game. We’ll take the trophy and enjoy it as ‘payment’ for the Duke whistle in '86, the misfortune of playing red hot Arizona in without Hasse healthy, missing 18 of 32 FT’s and losing by 3 in '03, the sting of Burke’s bomb in 2013, the hurt of villanova owning us twice in their championship years, and even the dysfunctional unit that got embarrassed by USC, and not the least the terrible misfortune of losing a chance to show what we knew in 2020 when we knew we were going to win it all.
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It’s a good thing if we learn our lessons before March. Some years… even though we had a few losses during the season, we didn’t learn the right lessons to improve by March.
No way in hell we win the NC last year without that in-house beat down by Kentucky. No way in hell!
The most-important games during the year are the ones we lose. Every loss is opportunity to learn and improve.
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@wissox Gotta spin that better! Bills first Championship came against the first final four to feature all four one seeds. KU won the most recent championship when the final four was all blue bloods. Bill looked so masterful in doing so two all time greats immediately retired after the final four!!!
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@dylans that’s awesome when you think about it - both championships came when the final fours were mostly filled with blue bloods. Amazing when you think about it.
I’ve always thought, as others have too, that Bill was going to pull a Roy and really figure out the tourney later in his career and start racking up more final fours and championships later in his career. The last seven years have solidified that opinion and I still think he won’t retire until he wins one more title. He talked last tournament about us needing to win more championships, and I think in the next five years he does that, then rides off into the sunset.
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@drgnslayr Great Comment! I’ve heard chatter with unbeaten teams or teams in a hot streak that their fans say ‘we need to lose so we’ll get better’. Horse Hockey as Sherman Potter would say! I don’t believe it. I don’t think you can say we don’t win it all if we didn’t get the wildcat lashing. I know it sounds kind of logical but not sure there’s logic to it. Same players. What if it was close but we lost to them? Would that be a bonding type of loss too?
@dylans Great comment! I know my comment looks like I don’t appreciate the championship very much. I do! It was a great thrill!
@HawkChamp Your comment is great too! Not sure how old you are but Dean Smith couldn’t win the big one, neither could Coach K who was a nearly annual disappointment in the Final 4. But once the lid came off, those men succeeded a few times each.
Of course Iowa is not going to benefit at all from losing to Eastern Illinois University the alma mater of Sean Payton whom I saw play against KU in 85 or 86, and Tony Romo. Other than them Mattoon is just famous for corn. Iowa is going to endure taunts and mockery for decades to come.
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The team has admitted to a complete gut check after that Kentucky beatdown.
That told them just how far off they were from competing at the highest level.
Do I hope we lose games? Only if we need to. If we were playing at that Final Four level earlier we may not need to lose.
This is where it benefits from being a Jayhawk and with a HOF coach. We are expected to be the best. Our guys don’t fold up when down. They know they have to rise to the situation.
Heck… look at Mizzou. They took a quick leap forward after we beat them down. We exposed where they were at the time of our game and they weren’t up to snuff.
Gonzaga… they’ve had some great teams and Few is an excellent coach. But they used to have a real easy schedule, allowing them to lose no or almost no games until March. Now they play easily the toughest, or one of the toughest, pre-conference schedule. It should help them become a better ball club, especially in March.
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Gosh… where would this team be without McCullar? He’s a possession monster! Versus Harvard: 11 reb, 3 steals, 2 blocks…
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@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Gosh… where would this team be without McCullar? He’s a possession monster! Versus Harvard: 11 reb, 3 steals, 2 blocks…
Can’t upvote this enough! Huge benefit for the ‘Hawks!
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Little late on this update
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Updated post OSU win!
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Torvik HAMMERED us. Makes sense given we didn’t play a second of defense in the first half.
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Remaining strength of schedule rankings
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/future-sos-by-other
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Torvik HAMMERED us. Makes sense given we didn’t play a second of defense in the first half.
We didn’t, but they also made some hero ball shots. But we did also give up a lot of wide open looks from 3.
I don’t think a lot of teams are beating Oklahoma St when they shoot 13/29 from 3. To our credit, we were 11/23 from 3. Two of those were from Harris.
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ESPN has KU as the overall #1 seed right now for the tournament after UConn & Purdont’s first losses of the seasons. Obv will be short lived if we don’t take care of biz tonight
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No update on BM, Massey, Sagarin for today
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Just more evidence that the Big 12 is the most dominant conference in ALL of Basketball - - The Big 12 --now ALL TEN TEAMS are in the top FORTY ratings of Kempon Ranking’s – the top FORTY. - -do we need to say anymore ?
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Update post Huggy Bear beat down.
Jalen is just outside the Top 50 now all-time
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Overall 1 seed now…
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Update post Huggy Bear beat down.
Jalen is just outside the Top 50 now all-time
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Overall 1 seed now…
No Massey update yet.
pretending Jalen scores another 300 points by the end of the season, where does that put him?
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Just outside the Top 15. The all-time list hasn’t been updated in a while (since 20-21) so it’s not 100% accurate but he’s got a shot at Top 20 the way his season is going.
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Given we have 18 more games minimum and I would suspect at least 20 in reality (ie we win the first round of Big12 tournament and against our likely 15/16 seed opp) I don’t think 300 more points is a stretch for him at all. That’s 15 a game if we do which is close to his floor this year due to his volume.
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Updated post OU win. What a comeback in ugly ugly fashion
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Zach above 0 now, yay.
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Is Cuffe healthy?
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@dylans Nope. Doesn’t really matter though.
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Are Martin and Jank going pro? Is Cam the one minute LeBron?
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absolutely, as long as they only have to play offense
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Updated post Iowa St win!
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Jalen sits in 49th place all-time.
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KJ 1st in PER and 2nd in BPM among our rotation guys.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT???!
