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@BShark Amazing stuff considering KJ’s lack of height compared to Doke. I think that from what I’ve seen KJ is gun shy to shoot which is good considering his lack of any range at all.
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@wissox He knows his role for sure. Dunks/lay-ups only. KU’s offense being as solid as it is with so many non-shooters is pretty impressive and also says something about 5 out basketball in general. You basically shouldn’t even be posting up guys unless they are scoring around 65% of the time. It’s been a welcome change. I’m intrigued to see if it will stick or if it is because we just don’t have a guy that can post up at all.
I’d be interested to play Tennessee again on full rest without Dajuan in foul trouble. Final four perhaps, heh.
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@BShark Yeah, I’m warming up to the team again after that Tennessee beatdown. Still gonna take some time for me to see how we respond to a similar team. Was Indiana similar? Even before Saturday I was saying IU was overrated.
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@wissox They weren’t super far off in terms of overall ratings. Tennessee has the #1 defense by a fair bit which we are probably helping by being so good after that. They apparently had a players meeting after the Tennessee game. I do think even despite the team being tired, Juan not being able to play was a big impact as well.
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I remember the foul and how bad it got after it. But I’m still not sure we win. Last year I was similar in thought because Kentucky really embarrassed us. I thought after that loss there’s no way that KU team is going to win the NC. Similar to 88 KU’s win was paved with good fortune along the way. Playing Miami in Elite 8, injured Villanova in FF, 8th seed in NC game. We’ll take the trophy and enjoy it as ‘payment’ for the Duke whistle in '86, the misfortune of playing red hot Arizona in without Hasse healthy, missing 18 of 32 FT’s and losing by 3 in '03, the sting of Burke’s bomb in 2013, the hurt of villanova owning us twice in their championship years, and even the dysfunctional unit that got embarrassed by USC, and not the least the terrible misfortune of losing a chance to show what we knew in 2020 when we knew we were going to win it all.
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It’s a good thing if we learn our lessons before March. Some years… even though we had a few losses during the season, we didn’t learn the right lessons to improve by March.
No way in hell we win the NC last year without that in-house beat down by Kentucky. No way in hell!
The most-important games during the year are the ones we lose. Every loss is opportunity to learn and improve.
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@wissox Gotta spin that better! Bills first Championship came against the first final four to feature all four one seeds. KU won the most recent championship when the final four was all blue bloods. Bill looked so masterful in doing so two all time greats immediately retired after the final four!!!
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@dylans that’s awesome when you think about it - both championships came when the final fours were mostly filled with blue bloods. Amazing when you think about it.
I’ve always thought, as others have too, that Bill was going to pull a Roy and really figure out the tourney later in his career and start racking up more final fours and championships later in his career. The last seven years have solidified that opinion and I still think he won’t retire until he wins one more title. He talked last tournament about us needing to win more championships, and I think in the next five years he does that, then rides off into the sunset.
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@drgnslayr Great Comment! I’ve heard chatter with unbeaten teams or teams in a hot streak that their fans say ‘we need to lose so we’ll get better’. Horse Hockey as Sherman Potter would say! I don’t believe it. I don’t think you can say we don’t win it all if we didn’t get the wildcat lashing. I know it sounds kind of logical but not sure there’s logic to it. Same players. What if it was close but we lost to them? Would that be a bonding type of loss too?
@dylans Great comment! I know my comment looks like I don’t appreciate the championship very much. I do! It was a great thrill!
@HawkChamp Your comment is great too! Not sure how old you are but Dean Smith couldn’t win the big one, neither could Coach K who was a nearly annual disappointment in the Final 4. But once the lid came off, those men succeeded a few times each.
Of course Iowa is not going to benefit at all from losing to Eastern Illinois University the alma mater of Sean Payton whom I saw play against KU in 85 or 86, and Tony Romo. Other than them Mattoon is just famous for corn. Iowa is going to endure taunts and mockery for decades to come.
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The team has admitted to a complete gut check after that Kentucky beatdown.
That told them just how far off they were from competing at the highest level.
Do I hope we lose games? Only if we need to. If we were playing at that Final Four level earlier we may not need to lose.
This is where it benefits from being a Jayhawk and with a HOF coach. We are expected to be the best. Our guys don’t fold up when down. They know they have to rise to the situation.
Heck… look at Mizzou. They took a quick leap forward after we beat them down. We exposed where they were at the time of our game and they weren’t up to snuff.
Gonzaga… they’ve had some great teams and Few is an excellent coach. But they used to have a real easy schedule, allowing them to lose no or almost no games until March. Now they play easily the toughest, or one of the toughest, pre-conference schedule. It should help them become a better ball club, especially in March.
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Gosh… where would this team be without McCullar? He’s a possession monster! Versus Harvard: 11 reb, 3 steals, 2 blocks…
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@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Gosh… where would this team be without McCullar? He’s a possession monster! Versus Harvard: 11 reb, 3 steals, 2 blocks…
Can’t upvote this enough! Huge benefit for the ‘Hawks!
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Little late on this update
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Updated post OSU win!
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Torvik HAMMERED us. Makes sense given we didn’t play a second of defense in the first half.
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Remaining strength of schedule rankings
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/future-sos-by-other
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Torvik HAMMERED us. Makes sense given we didn’t play a second of defense in the first half.
We didn’t, but they also made some hero ball shots. But we did also give up a lot of wide open looks from 3.
I don’t think a lot of teams are beating Oklahoma St when they shoot 13/29 from 3. To our credit, we were 11/23 from 3. Two of those were from Harris.
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ESPN has KU as the overall #1 seed right now for the tournament after UConn & Purdont’s first losses of the seasons. Obv will be short lived if we don’t take care of biz tonight
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No update on BM, Massey, Sagarin for today
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Just more evidence that the Big 12 is the most dominant conference in ALL of Basketball - - The Big 12 --now ALL TEN TEAMS are in the top FORTY ratings of Kempon Ranking’s – the top FORTY. - -do we need to say anymore ?
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Update post Huggy Bear beat down.
Jalen is just outside the Top 50 now all-time
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Overall 1 seed now…
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Update post Huggy Bear beat down.
Jalen is just outside the Top 50 now all-time
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Overall 1 seed now…
No Massey update yet.
pretending Jalen scores another 300 points by the end of the season, where does that put him?
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Just outside the Top 15. The all-time list hasn’t been updated in a while (since 20-21) so it’s not 100% accurate but he’s got a shot at Top 20 the way his season is going.
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Given we have 18 more games minimum and I would suspect at least 20 in reality (ie we win the first round of Big12 tournament and against our likely 15/16 seed opp) I don’t think 300 more points is a stretch for him at all. That’s 15 a game if we do which is close to his floor this year due to his volume.
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Updated post OU win. What a comeback in ugly ugly fashion
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KJ up over 10 ppg, insane development right before our eyes.
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Zach above 0 now, yay.
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Is Cuffe healthy?
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@dylans Nope. Doesn’t really matter though.
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Are Martin and Jank going pro? Is Cam the one minute LeBron?
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absolutely, as long as they only have to play offense
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Updated post Iowa St win!
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Jalen sits in 49th place all-time.
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KJ 1st in PER and 2nd in BPM among our rotation guys.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT???!
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No one, not even KJ
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Can I go ahead and put my vote in for KJ as our MVP for the Season now lol ?
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@BeddieKU23 lol, maybe? Love it! Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Actually we have quite a few good guys on our team, Self does know how important chemistry is to success. I love how they share, that’s why all stats even the ones that don’t show up, matter.
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They didn’t even move KJ to the 5 until just before the season started. His improvements this year are remarkable and perhaps we are seeing it in real time during games because its the first time he’s settled at one position. Impressive stuff
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Jalen passed LeGerald Vick for #48th all time on the scoring list. Jalen needs 18 points Saturday to pass David McCormack!
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Updated. Very painful one.
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The only positive- Jalen is now tied for 44th all-time in scoring with 1,156 points with Rick Suttle. Jalen can pass Svi & Aaron Miles tonight with another big game.
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Updating post big win in Rupp!
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Jalen passed Svi & Aaron Miles and now sits in 41st All-Time, 1 point behind Wayne Selden. Jalen will pass Selden, Jacque Vaughn, Greg Dreiling & Scot Pollard on Tuesday & then starts his chase towards the Top 30.
Jalen has 10 regular season games left + 2 guaranteed post season games currently. At his current scoring rate, he can pass Wilt Chamberlain for 27th all-time. More Big-12 tourney & NCAA tourney games could push him could get him closer to the Top 20.
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Jalen is now 37th all-time in scoring after passing 4 guys. He needs 20 points against Iowa St to pass Steve Woodberry.
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Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a “defense first” coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can’t figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a “defense first” coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can’t figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
I have pondered the same thing, and I think it may have something to do with landing Mo Bamba, Allen, Hayes, etc. All big men. I haven’t seen them yet, but I’ll bet he’s back to running his 4 out like he did at VCU. I thought they looked big, slow and cumbersome at Texas.
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@Jethro Maybe the pressure to showcase those guys for the NBA caused him to not make the team as good as it could be too. That is a tough thing to balance. Bill Self gets knocked for NOT doing a good job of this, and that’s part of the reason he doesn’t get nearly as many top 5 guys anymore. It really takes special freshman to play for Bill Self early.
I feel like anyone who is willing to get into bed with OADs understands that you have to do that to an extent though. Selling your soul a bit to get talent in the door.
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Yeah its crazy. Does he have some offensive guru on staff with him at Marquette? They had a good offense last year and then lost their two best players & somehow, they are better this year.
Perhaps he’s just evolved and figured he needed to change to survive. Also, he has one of the best point guards in the country Tyler Kolek that has improved leaps and bounds as a facilitator and playmaker. Things are clicking for them.
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@BeddieKU23 I really hadn’t paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can’t help but see that Marquette team stick out…
I’ll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a “defense first” coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can’t figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
Player retention is insanely underrated.
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I’m perfectly fine with how Self is attacking recruiting and roster management these days, avoiding the sure-fire 1-year HS guys and targeting those guys likely to stick around a few years. We know what works here and what doesn’t. I mean he’s had success with 1-year dudes too but it’s just not his bread and butter.
Self might be a hard coach to play for but I’ve yet to really hear of a player that didn’t benefit from his coaching. In fact, the opposite tends to happen.
We used to worry so much about Duke or UK’s recruiting classes and now it’s like why bother, those teams aren’t winning anything with freshman. The transfer portal completely leveled the playing field and made experienced players more valuable. Guys from lower levels are not at a disadvantage anymore it seems when leveling up. Things have changed so fast
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 I really hadn’t paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can’t help but see that Marquette team stick out…
I’ll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it’s not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I’m perfectly fine with how Self is attacking recruiting and roster management these days, avoiding the sure-fire 1-year HS guys and targeting those guys likely to stick around a few years. We know what works here and what doesn’t. I mean he’s had success with 1-year dudes too but it’s just not his bread and butter.
Self might be a hard coach to play for but I’ve yet to really hear of a player that didn’t benefit from his coaching. In fact, the opposite tends to happen.
We used to worry so much about Duke or UK’s recruiting classes and now it’s like why bother, those teams aren’t winning anything with freshman. The transfer portal completely leveled the playing field and made experienced players more valuable. Guys from lower levels are not at a disadvantage anymore it seems when leveling up. Things have changed so fast
I’d pause to say Self has completely avoided the OAD’s. When the Rice recruitment started, we didn’t know if he’d ever make it to Lawrence and Gradey Dick was also a projected 1st round pick for quite awhile before he committed, but he’s also a local kid who wanted to play here so that may be an exception.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 I really hadn’t paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can’t help but see that Marquette team stick out…
I’ll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it’s not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it.
They blitzed Baylor. Barely lost at Purdue. Have losses to good teams and some really nice wins. Shaka’s best team ever. They’re on FS1 at 1pm tomorrow.
