KU vs USC game thread
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Time to rebuild. This team was not able to compete against these kinds of teams. Texas and USC are not the only teams built like that.
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@KansasComet said in KU vs USC game thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 KU’s best teams took butt whoopings to include 1st round losses. Recruiting is down due to investigations. We will bounce back.
KU has only lost twice in the first round during the current 31 year streak. Neither team were among KU’s best.
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Self talked about dave battling a foot problem in pregame. Have we known this?
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Despite all the upsets, three #1 seeds are still alive. Wouldn’t mind seeing Gonzaga win it all, now that we’re out of it.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Must have been some reason he barely played.
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Nope
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@DCHawker said in KU vs USC game thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU vs USC game thread:
@KansasComet said in KU vs USC game thread:
@DCHawker Harris will surprise. There is a lot of talent on this team. Compared to the other Blue Blood Programs, the year wasn’t so bad. Losses like this motivate. Looking forward to next season. Wish there was a tournament last year, I think we would have won it.
There’s not a lot of talent compared to KU’s best teams. Nobody on the roster currently is an NBA level player.
Who coming back would actually be a starter on most KU line-ups of the past 2 decades?
Maybe Agbaji and McCormack.
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@DCHawker That is a matter of opinion. Wilson will be good, McCormack is a McDonalds All American, and Abaji is talented. This loss was bad, doesn’t mean the team is horrible. We did not matchup well with tall teams this year. Next year will be different. A bad year at KU? 2nd in Conference and a loss in the round of 32. That’s not so bad.
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KU: 3 seed, round of 32 UNC: 8, round of 64 dook: lol UK: lol, lost to KU
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USC was on a heroin high that will vaporize next week. Either that or they will be in the championship game.
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Well… Duke and Kentucky didn’t even make the tourney. North Carolina got ousted quickly. As did Michigan state. Weird year… last season I do remember we had a pretty good team. May have won it all.
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@FarmerJayhawk Thank you!!
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Silver lining: we will never have to hear the words “worst tournament loss in school history” again in our lifetime.
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I’m wondering if foster will be back. That lazy pass
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs USC game thread:
I’m wondering if foster will be back. That lazy pass
I hope so! He showed out pretty well for most of his minutes. Think there’s some real talent there.
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@FarmerJayhawk I don’t think he’s very smart
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What a crappy 12 months and 2 weeks, on and off the court.
Need a repeat of 2019-20 next season , this time with a long tournament run. No postponements, no cancellations, no masks, full Fieldhouse.
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If this is the level of guards Self is going to roll with then he needs to ditch the weave stuff. Set some actual screens AWAY from the ball and get these slow, poor shooting guys some screen read options.
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Tyon was one of the few people on KU’s roster that belonged in this game athletically.
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Next year… Sophomore Wilson, Senior Big Dave… that’s one dog and one anchor for next year. A rim protector would be great, but Dave will do. I’m fine with an amped up Harris at point… more of an attack guy would be better of course. If Och, Braun and Bryce can’t find a beast mode, then find better players
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@BShark yeah, he has the body
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@BigBad said in KU vs USC game thread:
If this is the level of guards Self is going to roll with then he needs to ditch the weave stuff. Set some actual screens AWAY from the ball and get these slow, poor shooting guys some screen read options.
Definitely not Self’s first choice when you look at guys we struck out on. If we don’t add two guards in the offseason I will be surprised.
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Self coming up on post game.
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@BShark said in KU vs USC game thread:
Tyon was one of the few people on KU’s roster that belonged in this game athletically.
Minus that air ball pass and the fumble to Marcus, he did ok. I mean, he didn’t do worse than our starters.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs USC game thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I don’t think he’s very smart
Lack of offseason really hurt him. Always tough to transition for JuCo to P5, even tougher this year. The extra season will help him immensely.
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@BShark Will it be more combo guard guys who cant shoot or create? I’d be happy with anyone who can shoot.
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@BigBad I agree. That weave was completely neutralized by USC. Every possession we would waste 10 seconds weaving and getting no where. It was like we set ourselves up to be disadvantaged every time.
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Also, it’s time for the NCAA to put up or shut up. Might as well as been penalized for the past three years.
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@DanR said in KU vs USC game thread:
Next year… Sophomore Wilson, Senior Big Dave… that’s one dog and one anchor for next year. A rim protector would be great, but Dave will do. I’m fine with an amped up Harris at point… more of an attack guy would be better of course. If Och, Braun and Bryce can’t find a beast mode, then find better players
Bryce has a ways to go, but I believe he will improve. If we add the right guys, I wouldn’t mind seeing Braun go to the bench.
Something like…
Tyson Walker
MYSTERY TWO GUARD (pref a 4th or 5th year guy)
Ochai
Jalen
Dave
Then you have a real ass bench with Harris, CB and whoever ends up 8th in the rotation.
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Thanks for the memories marcus
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@BShark Agree… Braun and Ochai are essentially the same player. Here and there shooter who doesn’t create at all. Cant be played together unless one is actually hitting shots.
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Is bill out of here? Doesn’t seem to have watched the same game we did.
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@BigBad said in KU vs USC game thread:
@BShark Agree… Braun and Ochai are essentially the same player. Here and there shooter who doesn’t create at all. Cant be played together unless one is actually hitting shots.
Yeah, both are wings.
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@DanR said in KU vs USC game thread:
Is bill out of here? Doesn’t seem to have watched the same game we did.
Honestly all year I’ve felt he knows we just don’t have the horses this go around.
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3rd worst loss by a top 3 seed since seeding began. Awesome stat to be in now
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@BigBad said in KU vs USC game thread:
@BShark Agree… Braun and Ochai are essentially the same player. Here and there shooter who doesn’t create at all. Cant be played together unless one is actually hitting shots.
My medium warm take has been Ochai would be better as a 4. He’s just not great with the ball.
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@DanR said in KU vs USC game thread:
Is bill out of here? Doesn’t seem to have watched the same game we did.
Nah. He knows his team and is probably mentally fried. Rough year.
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Any thoughts on guard skill development? Don’t throw Mason and Devonte at me. Other than those two has anyone really developed? Selden, Vick, Svi, Ochai, etc…None ever really develop ball-handling past their freshman year ability.
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@FarmerJayhawk Maybe but he’s only 6’5
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Case in point
https://twitter.com/themattgalloway/status/1374210431984791552
Bill Self: For us to be a national title contender, we need to get more athletic, longer, bigger. I thought our guys played to their abilities well this year, but tonight the length definitely mattered. #kubball
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs USC game thread:
3rd worst loss by a top 3 seed since seeding began. Awesome stat to be in now
I can’t name the first two 3rd seed worst losses off the top of my head, so that’s good.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU vs USC game thread:
@DanR said in KU vs USC game thread:
Is bill out of here? Doesn’t seem to have watched the same game we did.
Nah. He knows his team and is probably mentally fried. Rough year.
Just no point in blasting them now.
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@BigBad said in KU vs USC game thread:
Any thoughts on guard skill development? Don’t throw Mason and Devonte at me. Other than those two has anyone really developed? Selden, Vick, Ochai, etc…None ever really develop ball-handling past their freshman year ability.
All those guys are wings. That kind of positional transformation just doesn’t really happen
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@BigBad Tyshawn Took 3.5 years though
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@FarmerJayhawk Wings because they can’t handle the ball. Only Svi was tall enough to have a positional excuse. The other 3 are not over 6’5.
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@BigBad said in KU vs USC game thread:
Selden, Vick, Svi, Ochai, etc…
Well, those are all wing guys. Selden was probably the closest thing to an actual guard but was too slow. He excelled when Self moved him to the 3.
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@BShark said in KU vs USC game thread:
@DanR said in KU vs USC game thread:
Next year… Sophomore Wilson, Senior Big Dave… that’s one dog and one anchor for next year. A rim protector would be great, but Dave will do. I’m fine with an amped up Harris at point… more of an attack guy would be better of course. If Och, Braun and Bryce can’t find a beast mode, then find better players
Bryce has a ways to go, but I believe he will improve. If we add the right guys, I wouldn’t mind seeing Braun go to the bench.
Something like…
Tyson Walker
MYSTERY TWO GUARD (pref a 4th or 5th year guy)
Ochai
Jalen
Dave
Then you have a real ass bench with Harris, CB and whoever ends up 8th in the rotation.
So you don’t think Bryce ends up in the rotation next year? He’s likely the starter at the 2 next year because he’s has most of what Self covets at the 2. A combo that can handle the ball and get his own shot. Bryce Thompson is why getting a second guard to transfer in is going to be difficult for KU unless that person is fine coming off the bench.
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I had to go paint the house and fix the transmission on the car and finish my taxes. So I missed the end of the game. Did we come back and win?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I think he needs to improve a lot but should factor into the rotation.
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@BigBad said in KU vs USC game thread:
@FarmerJayhawk Wings because they can’t handle the ball. Only Svi was tall enough to have a positional excuse. The other 3 are not over 6’5.
Right, talking skill set. It’s rare for guys to develop such that they change positions at this level. You kind of are what you are outside some improvement shooting and BBIQ things. I’d be happy to be proved wrong on this but I can’t think of a player that went from bad handles to being an effective, ball dominant guard at this level.
