Rick Barnes
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Or, Turner might follow Barnes to his next program. But something tells me that Barnes will take his buyout and enjoy life a bit before he jumps into another program.
Let’s not forget Barnes was FIRED. Why would Turner stay when the coach who recruited you is fired? I would like to know if Turner is talking with Barnes and his parents about a possible transfer. I’d take him because Self is obviously a way better coach. The next coach will take pretty much the next 2-3 years getting the program he wants. If you’re a freshman recruit, I’m going to spend the remainder of my time at a program that wants you, a coach that can develop you, and a strength coach that will give you the skills necessary for the next level. Why waste it?
Lastly, if I’m a freshman/sophomore big. I’m going to a program that will get me positive exposure. A program where the offense will feature me. Turner needs more bang for the buck, so to speak (not a good term in NCAA bball) and make up for lost time at UT with Barnes. He did nothing at UT and I would put that on Barnes.
Turner, take a long look before you even jump to the league. You are no where ready. Come to KU and you will be guaranteed a season that will put you where you want to be in your second year. Forget your initial recruiting snafu, no big deal. Just correct it now. Be a big man and learn. No one blames you for going to UT and staying in Texas. Now it’s time to get serious with your career.
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@Crimsonorblue22 And won’t amount to much either. Yeah, he may go, but don’t see him doing anything. He did nothing at UT.
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@truehawk93 doesn’t he have to sit a year, even if his coach leaves?
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Critics might be down on him but I bet Scout’s are still intrigued with a 7 footer who can shoot, that you can add strength and muscle too. Sounds to me like a GM’s dream to me. I bet he gets some slack because he was terribly used in his one season.
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yes no more waivers going foward. Transfers now have to sit regardless. That waiver rule was abused and wildly inconsistent
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@VoyagingJayhawk Agree with your points…
The Koch bros. have a pretty solid footprint in Texas… A conspiracy theorist may have hairs sticking up on the back of his neck with this news.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I believe that if a coach leaves, he can get out and don’t think he has to sit. The player only sits if he leaves by choice. But, because the coach leaves or is fired, the player is free to opt out and play at another program.
I’m trying to think of another case in point, but I can’t recall one. I could be wrong, but I don’t think they fault the player for leaving or sitting him. Maybe because he played a year, he has to sit.
He will likely jump to the league based on potential.
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@truehawk93 TaShawn Thomas of OU was granted a waiver to play without sitting because his coach at Houston was replaced by Kelvin Sampson. It seems that a waiver is required. I don’t know how many or what percentage are granted.
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Yes waivers were granted for your coach leaving before. That was 2014-2015 rules.
Rules as of last week have changed to no waivers to any transfers. Only players allowed supposed “free agency” are graduate transfers.
So Hunter Mickelson could go somewhere else if he graduated from KU this May. If Self left and say Frank Mason transferred because his coach left, he will sit a full year.
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Listened to all the local Austin sports talk this am and most bandied about was that Shaka is THE front runner and Marshall is not considered to be part of the discussion.
Most salient point I heard was that Barnes and Izzo are the same age and look at what Izzo has done compared to what Barnes has done.
Finally, Myles Turner tweeted out this morning that he was not coming back to UT and was headed to the draft.
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Why is it that if somebody has a little money then they are slim balls and cheaters? Every school has Alumni with money. Thank God KU had the Booths who felt it important to no only purchase the original Naismith Basketball rules, but also to display them at KU for all to see. So what if the Koch brothers throw a bunch a money at Marshal, and try to keep him? Why wouldn’t they? He’s the best thing that’s has happened for the Shockers.
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“Finally, Myles Turner tweeted out this morning that he was not coming back to UT and was headed to the draft.”
I wonder if Turner has some second thoughts about his decision to go to Texas? Seems he did it to be popular with his HS friends. I don’t think the results of his year was what he had imagined. The kid has tons of potential. Not sure he is ready to play big boy ball. He’ll have to get the right break in the right situation.
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@drgnslayr He held nothing back after the loss to Butler saying he didn’t understand why Coach had him sitting on the bench. Was never a fan favorite either. Kinda unspoken here that he probably regretted signing with UT because he is actually worse off after the year he had.
He’ll be DLeague at best. He’s not ready any more than Oubre is ready.
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@DoubleDD Well that’s hyperbolizing my statement a bit. I don’t believe anything is wrong with Wichita State matching whatever Texas throws at Marshall, in fact if they can I think they should. However, it is my opinion that the Koch brothers have been less than ethical throughout their business careers and in their business and political dealings. And I don’t think I’m being slanderous when I say that with the Koch brothers’ far-reaching sphere of influence throughout the American business and government sectors, they could provide the Marshall family with benefits far exceeding anything written into a contract.
And to add on to that, certainly that could be said for similar donors and coaches at other universities, but I don’t know that men like David Booth even belong in the same ballpark as the Koch family.
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Come one be honest the Koch family is conservative and donate big time money with the Reps. That’s what you don’t like about them.
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@DoubleDD I think my views on the Koch brothers are made quite clear in my posts. But I mentioned them in regards to the Wichita State basketball program and their probable involvement and what that involvement may entail in regards to keeping Coach Marshall from becoming a Longhorn.
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Yea but you say it in such a negative way. Like it’s bad because the Koch brothers have money, and that it’ bad if they do anything to retain the services of Marshal at Wichita St. I guess I don’t understand? I mean I agree the Koch brothers have money and most likely will throw some more money at Marshal to stay. I’m just not sure why that makes them bad guys.
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@DoubleDD Well, lets just say I’m not up for a protracted political debate over the business and political ethics of the Koch brothers.
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@DoubleDD said:
Come one be honest the Koch family is conservative and donate big time money with the Reps. That’s what you don’t like about them.
Actually they’re Libertarian but support the GOP because their true party will never win and get them the power and control they desire. And that’s what big money politics is all about.
For what it’s worth… David Koch ran for VP on the Libertarian ticket back in the 80’s. Got 1% of the vote. The most the party has ever received.
And that’s enough politics.
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Oh thank God.
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@RockChalkinTexas Tom Izzo is my favorite coach next to Bill Self.
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@drgnslayr I’d say his year at UT was medicore. He will be mediocre in the league. I expect to see him overseas. I hope he proves me wrong. He won’t have the skills. He has the talent but so do many other players. But size alone won’t make you a success in the NBA.
Myles Turner will be the biggest waste of talent in the NBA. He was never developed at UT. He’ll enter the NBA playing high end high school basketball and won’t have much from his college experience to contribute. He’ll be schooled and spanked every night until he really learns the game. Maybe Kevin Durant will pick up where Barnes failed. Maybe Durant will play vicariously through Turner. Maybe Turner will become KD 2.0. Please laugh and tell me you thought that funny. No way in hell will Turner be anywhere near Durant’s ability at this point. I think this is where Turner is fooled. He’s been compared to KD and he’s taking that into the NBA.
Good luck Myles Turner. It was nice knowing you for such a short time. I wish you all the best. You’re going to play with MEN, not boys, but MEN.
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Well, this thread opened with focus on Rick Barnes. I read today that he actually has been offered the Tennessee job and that contract negotiations are underway. Best of luck to one of the good guys in the profession. Maybe too nice a guy for top level Div. 1 coaching, but apparently a good guy, nevertheless. I hope that he is able to secure positions for all his assistants. Noble thing, his Longhorn assistants volunteering to move on, but Barnes’ refusal to honor that condition to his staying. Straightening out that Tennessee program ain’t gonna be an easy gig.
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@REHawk That was nothing more than masking the fact that Barnes was not a good offensive coach and getting people to feel sorry for him. No players shed any tears believe me. He was just not liked. Mack Brown was offered the same deal a year before he left, made the changes in his line coaches and still made no diff. Barnes thinking of being noble here earned the same result for his assistants. – all out of a job regardless.
Oh he has plenty of orange ties to take to Tennessee too!
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Barnes is a nice guy. And there is something inside of nice guys always wanting to be accepted by other people. When you do what you are supposed to do in sports, you aren’t supposed to be liked by everyone. You should be respected by everyone. Two totally different things. Barnes might be respected for his kindness… but he wasn’t respected for his ability to coach competitively. He is definitely in a profession where nice guys finish last.
I feel sorry for Myles Turner. He is his own worst enemy. He made a complete blunder by picking Texas… and then he doubled-down by declaring for the draft. The kid ought to transfer to Kansas. Sitting a year will only help him mature. He’s like a Jeff Withey who has some offense. His athleticism just isn’t at a level to play pro yet. The kid can barely run. Am I the only one who notices how he lumbers to get down court? If running down court is a chore, then you aren’t ready for the league. He’s a kid that should take every moment possible before entering his hat in the draft to work on his game and body. This kids are in such a rush for a paycheck… So this kid is willing to trade a couple hundred thousand for a real shot at a career in the league. Pathetic. And he is jumping in a draft that will have lots of bigs.
“Oh he has plenty of orange ties to take to Tennessee too!”
Hilarious!
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@drgnslayr Having watched every UT game this year, I too noticed right off that Turner didn’t run, he shuffles his feet and he never really picks up his feet while moving in the lane under the basket. He’s stiff-legged.
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he reminds me of a Quincy Miller, or Isiah Austin type player. Will have to put on significant bulk to hang with C’s in the league. But he has shooting touch and can block shots so that will help him on D.
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he’d lose a year of eligibility plus the year he sat out for transferring within conference right? But that’s old news he’s gone to the league.
Being from Texas he felt pressure to stay home and make a name for himself in the home state. Well when he was struggling the critics pilled on and I’m sure it bothered him that he wasn’t used the way he might have felt. He chose to join a front-court with 4 guys already having established PT instead of going to the school that had a glaring need for him and recruited him from the beginning.
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From everything I read about Myles… he went to Texas because it made him very popular in his HS. How short-sighted was that!
If he had gone to Kansas and wasn’t in a hurry… he’d be over in weight-training this morning going over his charts with Hudy trying to not only get stronger, but develop his legs so he can actually run for the first time in his life!
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@drgnslayr he went there because we have a no bucket hats policy!
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Yes he went to a small school and he was like the greatest thing since sliced bread there. Can’t blame him for doing what he wanted, but it wasn’t the right choice after the fact. Maybe he would have done better with KU, but he still would have bolted anyway. College was never his end game and now he’s just another Texas player that can hit the league and make a name for himself.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Good one
Actually, I believe he went to UT because Barnes told him he would be the next Durant. I don’t have the proof but I sincerely believe that. He idolized KD as a kid.
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@RockChalkinTexas I think you are exactly right! I still think he moves like Steve Erkel. He’s either super knocked knee’d or has something wrong. I’m not making fun of him.
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Reports are that Barnes and Tennessee have reached an agreement.
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So it sounds like players from UT can’t enter free agency with Barnes leaving but if they graduate early they still can. Its probably be a looong shot but I wouldn’t mind seeing Cam Ridley in the paint wearing a Kansas uniform next year. Wonder if he has any intentions of graduating early.
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@BeddieKU23 I have nothing against the kid. He has raw skills. He’s not going to translate his shot and blocking in the NBA, I’m sorry. He’s going to get discouraged and fade away into the DLeague.
He’s not developed at all. Barnes did him NO favors at all.
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@RockChalkinTexas Barnes used Durant PERIOD.
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I guarandamntee you Barnes told him to jump. I’m sorry, Barnes seems like a “nice” guy but a horrible horrible coach and my bet is he has given Turner some very bad advice.
