Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?
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Anyone have know where to find selfs postgame. Curious to what BS he has to say this time
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@kuballin10 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@approxinfinity - we have our answer already per postgame
Self: If people think this is the frickin end of the season, it’s not at all. We played right with maybe the best team in America tonight without one of our starters.
Flory was the best player on the court and has been outstanding since he got starter minutes. But since he isn’t 25 or in the circle of trust he has to go to the bench lmao.
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@dmurban said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Anyone have know where to find selfs postgame. Curious to what BS he has to say this time
Unless he has the balls to say he should’ve been smart enough to have made one else throw it in and a 6th year guy should be able to make FTs at the end games. I ain’t interested in hearing it.
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Tonight is frustrating and bringing out the worst in KU’s fanbase. I don’t understand how some people are justifying Dejuan taking all the blame tonight. He absolutely deserves a piece of the blame for his FT misses, but KU was also 17-30 as a team. Zeke was 3-6, Storr was 0-4, Griffen was 2-4. Harris also didn’t dribble the ball off his leg. Harris didn’t get a 5 second call. Harris didn’t throw away an inbound pass. While Harris does get a piece of the blame, Zeke Mayo gets the biggest piece of the blame for his lack of awareness while inbounding the ball.
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@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@kuballin10 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@approxinfinity - we have our answer already per postgame
Self: If people think this is the frickin end of the season, it’s not at all. We played right with maybe the best team in America tonight without one of our starters.
Flory was the best player on the court and has been outstanding since he got starter minutes. But since he isn’t 25 or in the circle of trust he has to go to the bench lmao.
This my worry KJ comes back and Flory goes back to playing 11 minutes a game while KJ a plays 30. Id be shocked if it doesn’t happen with how mentality disabled Self seems to be the last few years.
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@kjayhawks said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@kuballin10 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@approxinfinity - we have our answer already per postgame
Self: If people think this is the frickin end of the season, it’s not at all. We played right with maybe the best team in America tonight without one of our starters.
Flory was the best player on the court and has been outstanding since he got starter minutes. But since he isn’t 25 or in the circle of trust he has to go to the bench lmao.
This my worry KJ comes back and Flory goes back to playing 11 minutes a game while KJ a plays 30. Id be shocked if it doesn’t happen with how mentality disabled Self seems to be the last few years.
Self has allowed his affinity for certain guys to affect him way too much recently. We all know he’s had favorites in the past but he could be somewhat subjective…now if you aren’t in the circle of trust…Good luck
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@TYOHawk yep I’m trying to decide if I want to watch this team again not only this season but as long as self is here. Clearly changes need to happen at the top back to back preseason #1 teams without conference titles and first weekend exits. Unacceptable for our program and Goff has to hold him accountable.
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Oh boy.
Really frustrating to play an otherwise great game and choke like that.
The only reasonable takeaway is: We have to have more poise at the end of games.
DaJuan this, KJ that, Hunter whatever is just not relevant today.
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The only other thing I will share with you guys after such a frustrating loss is a cliche but also very true.
Relax. It’s just a game. It’s normal to be frustrated but it’s still just a game. Spend time with your loved ones. Spend time doing something else you enjoy. Remember, you all have rich lives outside of KU hoops.
Edit: Not trying to be preachy. Just trying to put something in our heads that I know I would do well to remember more often.
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@Jhawk69 very true I should get off of here. I’ll add one last jab. You can’t call out your fan base like he did and then get out coached that bad twice at the end of the game.
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Blue Bloods
Lioness
Will Trent
Ghosts
My evening was super stress free.
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@Jhawk69 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Oh boy.
Really frustrating to play an otherwise great game and choke like that.
The only reasonable takeaway is: We have to have more poise at the end of games.
DaJuan this, KJ that, Hunter whatever is just not relevant today.
Poise would be a valid reason next year when we’re featuring DP, Flory and a new group. This is a group who’s led by two guys who’ve been here for a minute.
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@kjayhawks I really don’t think self was outcoached. Self coached a good game. I know failing to inbound the ball twice falls on the coach…but I just can’t help but think 4 guys with that much experience gotta know how to inbound a pass.
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Fools gold is something that looks good but has no value. Bill and KU have 2 very real rings.
If random fate has smiled so broadly upon Bill Self, then how extremely unlucky are all these schools?
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I honestly hope future NIL agreements are more so performance base. Imagine Zeke and Juan having to pay the university money they stole after tonight’s performances lol
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I’m kind of amazed I’m the one that doesn’t think the sky is failing. It’s a collapse, sure. But the worst thing about it is, we found some answers tonight. Griffen played great. So did Flory. They missed some FTs down the stretch. That hurts. But it happens in basketball. My biggest concern is that the way we lost wipes out the growth we saw tonight.
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@nuleafjhawk you are probably the smartest out of all of us pretty sure this year of Kansas athletics has shaved a decade off of my life.
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@MoonwalkMafia right that’s the problem with losing in that manor, it erodes any potential positives away. It stinks to hear how we wouldn’t win crap outside of the B12 for years and it’s proven to be true since expanding the conference. We don’t even have regular season supremacy to hang our hats on. We have nothing during basketball season anymore. Do you think this team can win a national title? I think I have a better shot at winning the lottery and I don’t play it.
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Allen Fieldhouse Magic is dead RIP 1955-2022 it was once the greatest place in the world.
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Upon further review, that was so much more than a loss. It was a Greek tragedy.
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It was just one of those days and we came into this big game as doubting this team really had the goods. What do we make of Flory and Rylan? They played their bunsuelos off. We were thinking we should be shooting better and we did especially Rylan from deep. I feel really bad for Rylan surely he’s hurting right now. I can’t even describe Flory’s game. He was everywhere and relentless wherever he was. I was like yes! yes! yes! and the pessimist Zabudda whom I don’t like very much was lurking around and I acted out bad enough to embarrass myself. Oh well shoot a nickel and now I’m looking forward to the UCF game on Tuesday to see what transpires.
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@kjayhawks I’m definitely not the smartest. It’s just self preservation, like you hinted at. College basketball has been ruined for me. The money and the ability to transfer on a whim has made it a mini NBA, which I also don’t like. I miss the camaraderie/ angst of this site, but that’s about it.
There is a life beyond this College basketball circus!
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Lots of blame to go around for this one. Certain senior players made costly mistakes, missed free throws, inbounds mistakes. Our coach did not prevent the inbounds blunders from happening twice. That’s been a pattern in his tenure here unfortunately over the years.
I can’t think of a more shocking and disappointing loss at home. This should have been a big win providing the kind of momentum that propells seasons forward. I would be shocked if this one didn’t weaken the locker room and didn’t have an immediate impact on the next week. That’s a haunting loss for all.
I would be shocked if we brought the same level of effort on March 3 when we play them again. I would love to be wrong, maybe they will recover but we’ve seen this novel play out before.
I’ll continue to watch and support and hope this was just yet another roadblock to overcome but it’s getting difficult to say that anymore
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@BeddieKU23 March 3 is going to be a double digit beatdown just hopefully not as bad as last year
Anytime we play a top 10 team on the road we’ve seen this story for two years
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@approxinfinity I think context is needed
2008 - Memphis did exactly what we did last night clanking free throws and handing us the game. We still went out and took it
2022 - Kalkebrenner not playing and Bacot severely hobbled. We still delivered and the game against nova was awesome
My thing is we never just rolled through the field or anything - games are always close.
This looking back is because the style Bill plays. Right now he’s just cashing $10m checks and adding to his investments so he can spoil the grandkids more….but his favorites are brutal.
Rather than get up there and say flory was a stud he references missing a starter. Dude is obsessed with kj and d2. He didn’t even bring up him missing free throws.
I was always told flory would foul out quick if he played and yet he played against a physical team and fouls out in double OT. The Self defenders are blind as heck
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@kuballin10 For what it’s worth, here’s what he said about Dajuan missing those FTs…
“Yeah, Juan did a good job on LJ. Juan had 12 assist, one turnover and guarded LJ Cryer that well. Okay, it is pretty impressive, but he goes the line and misses two and I think to your point, I think that could be somewhat fatigue as well.”
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Here we go again with the fatigue excuses. He has Shak and barely played him yesterday for whatever reason.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Here we go again with the fatigue excuses. He has Shak and barely played him yesterday for whatever reason.
Coach has allowed his affinity to override his common sense when it comes to those two. No matter what side you’re on…there is no world where Dajuan should play 46 minutes in a game when we have Shak healthy.
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@MoonwalkMafia Uzan for Houston had 17-9-9……Juan also didn’t get credit for his atrocious pass to Griffen
Diggy is a complete waste
Shak shows he can effect a game more
Shak eff’s up and only plays 19 minutes yesterday and Diggy gets 11 spastastic minutes
Self then makes an excuse for d2 being tired and missing game winning free throws
Bill has become what he preached against for decades - what a pu$$
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@BeddieKU23 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Here we go again with the fatigue excuses. He has Shak and barely played him yesterday for whatever reason.
THAT was my only problem with Coach yesterday,- WHY didn’t he play Shak more and relieve Juan -that was kind of a head scratcher
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I have defended Juan for 4 years … if a senior and a decent foul shooter can’t make just one out two to ice the game at home, then good god WTF. He choked. Houston made their clutch free throws. They are clearly a better team than us right now. I’m done defending Juando. The three of Hunter KJ and Jaun whom I have rooted for and defended are not good enough to lead a top ten team. I love KJ but it’s a fact.
Next year will an interesting season for Self. The bloom is fading rapidly.
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@kuballin10 I’m not defending juan. I can’t wait till he’s gone.
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If Juan was the only player on the team to miss his free throws I’d be a little more critical BUT he wasn’t . He actually did fine ( for the most part ) did he miss huge free throws ? -Absolutely – yet so did others Rylan - - Zeke at critical times. I would say Juan’s eight points - -2/3 from the three- - twelve assists – & ONE turnover is a pretty good games worth should be good enough- -well for most it would be
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Yes all good points, but a senior who is ostensibly a team leader just CANNOT miss both. I’m not sure I ever saw Juan clank one off the front rim. Clearly nerves maybe combined with fatigue. He absolutely needed to make that second one.
Btw who is the leader of this team? KJ? Jaun is not a born leader, I think Hunter may be on the spectrum, his affect is weird, plus there is always the feeling that he is here really for the money. and as one poster commented, he is soft as baby s—t. Good bigs neutralize him because he is slow. Zeke is trying hard to be our stud god bless him, but it puts him in a position to force shots which look desperate at times.
I think my KU colored glasses are finally coming off. I can see them for what they are, including the coach.
I will root for them of course, but as they are, not what I (and most of us) hoped they would be.
Can Self afford one more year of another highly touted but ultimately under-performing team?
I’ve always suspected that his coaching style kills confidence in many of his players. He plays his favorites to a fault, and yanks the guys off the bench when they make mistakes, which makes for a non-chemistry team. Keep playing our bench, let them play thru mistakes, and it will pay off come March.
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@Bosthawk If the ncaa grants the 5th year and Juan and kj come back - dolla bill will really wonder why afh is so empty
If the 5th year isn’t granted I’m afraid he gives DP the Oubre treatment and f’s him up
Also think he loves Elmarko and “trusts” him which watch it will limit a top transfer pg we are in on. We will be in on 3-5 of them and if we whiff that would be why.
If we do get the stud transfer pg watch him sit behind elmarko lol
I’m so done with Self. He consistently ran the Wac version 2.0 for a decade and fell flat on his face in the tourney.
His style of ball isn’t ran by anyone in the nba or div 1 based on the players we have.
He and Cal are on their way out
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Lol
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I still am prepared for this team to get hot, get a good draw, win the tourney and make everyone eat crow.
Always possible.
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Well the sun came this morning friends. Which means it’s time to move on from this one. I just have one goal for this team moving forward, let’s just make the tournament. I think that’s the only achievement they are capable of making.
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We are a lock to make the tournament, so I guess we have nothing to play for
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Once you are there anything can happen. This felt like one of those tournament losses to Northern Iowa, Bucknell, VCU. Not the same circumstances but just how deflating it felt after having what looked like two leads that couldn’t be taken away.
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We got our tournament loss out of the way early.
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Believe me im absolutely hoping they get some chemistry and swagger. Many games still to play. I am a 100% fan. Just not deceiving myself anymore.
Speaking of swagger, I am a Maryland basketball fan because my daughter went there recently. I just watched them beat Indiana on the road… They’re playing fearlessly and they’re playing with absolute confidence and belief. They also beat a ranked team on the road a few days ago. I’m not saying that they will go real far in the tourney, but I’m frankly jealous of their fearlessness and wide open play. Their coach, Kevin Willard, seems to let his guys just play through bonehead mistakes and rushed shots, and missed defensive assignments. They sure as hell believe in themselves… Can Kansas get to a point to believe in themselves?
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Fun (or not so fun) with the box score!
But a preamble: OK, so most of us are steamed that we crapped the bed yesterday. Shoulda coulda woulda i guess doesn’t count in the standings. I’m really just upset in the way we lost. tragic.
Onward to box score entertainment…really not a ton of stand out stats this game.
Players
4-20
Combined FG attempts for LJ Cryer and Emanuel Sharp. That is a startling stat that should have meant game over for Houston. We let some guy named Mylik Wilson go for 18 points. Same guy that has had 4, 7, 0, and 7 points in his latest outings.
Team FG attempts
KU 30-66
Houston 35-73
Advantage Houston in both.
The rest of the shooting stats are similar.
Blocks
Bidunga – 0
KU – 0
Houston – 5
Odd that Flory was block free.
Minutes played
Dajuan Harris – 46
Shakeel Moore – 19
This really makes zero sense. Is Self limiting his minutes for injury? Personal observation: It sucks that Harris missed those free throws to ice the game, but that really was his main blunder on the day. He did let his man drive by him uncontested a few times. Both teams had starters play about the same minutes, and bench players. Eight guys.
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Only thing i would amend is zekes minutes. Shak should have taken some of his minutes.
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@approxinfinity said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Only thing i would amend is zekes minutes. Shak should have taken some of his minutes.
Sadly, Zeke looked rattled a few times yesterday after the inbounds debacle. Shak for sure needed more minutes.
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@approxinfinity Shak should have taken all of diggy’s minutes. This was a big boy game and shak is the most athletic guard on the team.
He had a stupid foul that dolla bill harped on him for and then never put him back in. Comically bad coaching but I’m not shocked as we are going on two years of this.
The continual end of half and game reliance on d2 to initiate something might be the most egregious part yet which says a lot because we’ve seen a ton of blunders these past two years!
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Besides the superlatives and the dajuan hate i agree. I think dajuan did great. 42 minutes is a lot though. I would give shak diggy’s minutes, most of mayo’s late game minutes, and then i dont think dajuan’s tank gets to empty anyway.
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Unfortunately some fans think the loss affects them more than the players. Mayo had to delete his instagram account due to the disgusting behavior of some “fans”.
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@dylans keep hearing they are leaving and they are done watching, yet they are still here.
️ pretty low to attack players!
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Well I know one thing… I didn’t mean it to be, but I started this game thread. I think it was my first in all my years of being a board rat here, it will definitely be my last. Baaad mojo.
Possibly the worst loss in decades of being a fan. Is this the game we point to as the nail in the coffin this season, or does it motivate them to not let shit like this happen again? Iowa State on Feb 3 should be very telling.
