Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?
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@dylans said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@SlimShaddy54 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk YOUR LOOKING AT THE WRWONG GUARD THAT COST US THIS GAME.-- tHIS IS ON zEKE
We were up 6 with what 20 seconds to go heading to the free throw line. The 6 year senior should be able to make one free throw to get us over the hump.
Yes Zeke was dreadful as well but this is on Dajuan.
That is one of the plays that could have won the game in regulation, but not the last one. There were more blunders to get there. It was a team loss, don’t put it on the guy with 11 assists for missing two free throws.
He is our 6 year senior PG who’s been here his whole career. I don’t think expecting him to make a single free throw to make a game a 3 possession game is hard to ask for.
I can’t believe Coach went from guys like Sherron, Frank, Tyshawn, Devonte and Dot to this.
We would expect those guys to make a free throw…he’s being paid to make that free throw.
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@dylans said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
I wonder how many of the upset fans are bettors? I’d probably be pissed at the Chiefs if I put money on the game instead of enjoying the season. I’m curious what percentage of outrage is cost by an ill placed bet? Or is just about a game not going as hoped? Social psychology curiosity
I usually don’t bet on games that I’m a fan of, giving this away in the manor we did I have no ill will towards and fan that is madder than hell right now.
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@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@dylans said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@SlimShaddy54 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk YOUR LOOKING AT THE WRWONG GUARD THAT COST US THIS GAME.-- tHIS IS ON zEKE
We were up 6 with what 20 seconds to go heading to the free throw line. The 6 year senior should be able to make one free throw to get us over the hump.
Yes Zeke was dreadful as well but this is on Dajuan.
That is one of the plays that could have won the game in regulation, but not the last one. There were more blunders to get there. It was a team loss, don’t put it on the guy with 11 assists for missing two free throws.
He is our 6 year senior PG who’s been here his whole career. I don’t think expecting him to make a single free throw to make a game a 3 possession game is hard to ask for.
I can’t believe Coach went from guys like Sherron, Frank, Tyshawn, Devonte and Dot to this.
We would expect those guys to make a free throw…he’s being paid to make that free throw.
Correct sir the same Juan was 1/6 in Ames as well and had some huge misses in key moments.
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@kjayhawks said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@dylans said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@SlimShaddy54 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk YOUR LOOKING AT THE WRWONG GUARD THAT COST US THIS GAME.-- tHIS IS ON zEKE
We were up 6 with what 20 seconds to go heading to the free throw line. The 6 year senior should be able to make one free throw to get us over the hump.
Yes Zeke was dreadful as well but this is on Dajuan.
That is one of the plays that could have won the game in regulation, but not the last one. There were more blunders to get there. It was a team loss, don’t put it on the guy with 11 assists for missing two free throws.
He is our 6 year senior PG who’s been here his whole career. I don’t think expecting him to make a single free throw to make a game a 3 possession game is hard to ask for.
I can’t believe Coach went from guys like Sherron, Frank, Tyshawn, Devonte and Dot to this.
We would expect those guys to make a free throw…he’s being paid to make that free throw.
Correct sir the same Juan was 1/6 in Ames as well and had some huge misses in key moments.
Don’t forget when he nearly cost us a title by stepping out of bounds. It’s on coach for knowing this guy isn’t built for those moments and never trying to upgrade or either putting him in those spots.
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@dylans I hope d2 takes more ownership of “free throws” than you are doing
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@TYOHawk d2 is the greatest pg at KU - just ask bill
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@kuballin10 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk d2 is the greatest pg at KU - just ask bill
It’s like I’m constantly being gaslit by Self and Dajuan apologists. I know what top tier PG play looks like. I watched Dotson, Devonte, Sherron and Frank…this isn’t that.
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@kuballin10 You need to be looking at Zeke, mutiple screw ups including very critical screw ups in OT and alter regulation- - missed free throw , throwing up a jock shot when he hadn’t made shit from three all game --6-17 shooting- - -1-8 from three three turnovers killed us with the turnovers late throwing to GOD knows who --Zeke gets a big tag in this one
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@TYOHawk Juan Harris is the worst PG in the Self era maybe you could say Tharpe is right there with him. I can not wait til he is done in a Kansas uniform we have recruited over some damn good players in Selfs day but not him for some reason. He doesnt even have the talent to play over seas.
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@kuballin10 Hel line the team up take your puck in Free throws other then Flory and Hunter-- --let’s see AJ - -YES - griffen- -yes 0 - --Zeke- - yes -Juan - - yes -tka eyou pick
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@kjayhawks it’s even more frustrating when you think about we likely lost out on a future NBA talent in LaBaron. His camp didn’t want him sitting the bench and they know Coach won’t bench Juan ever. He’s held us hostage for years.
Yet last game we got told “he just needs pros around him.” Like no crap every player would look good if they had pro teammates around them.
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@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@kjayhawks it’s even more frustrating when you think about we likely lost out on a future NBA talent in LaBaron. His camp didn’t want him sitting the bench and they know Coach won’t bench Juan ever. He’s held us hostage for years.
Yet last game we got told “he just needs pros around him.” Like no crap every player would look good if they had pro teammates around them.
Like twitter or X whatever the heck it’s called nowadays has been blowing about all year with Juan and KJ playing 30 MPG. Do they have pictures of him with the cheerleaders or something?
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@kjayhawks said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk Juan Harris is the worst PG in the Self era maybe you could say Tharpe is right there with him. I can not wait til he is done in a Kansas uniform we have recruited over some damn good players in Selfs day but not him for some reason. He doesnt even have the talent to play over seas.
Bill doesn’t favor guys to the detriment of the program and he always recruits the best players. He’s always willing to get the best even if it hurts some kids feelings
He has no pets and always plays the best players!
Heavy sarcasm
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@approxinfinity - we have our answer already per postgame
Self: If people think this is the frickin end of the season, it’s not at all. We played right with maybe the best team in America tonight without one of our starters.
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@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@kjayhawks it’s even more frustrating when you think about we likely lost out on a future NBA talent in LaBaron. His camp didn’t want him sitting the bench and they know Coach won’t bench Juan ever. He’s held us hostage for years.
Yet last game we got told “he just needs pros around him.” Like no crap every player would look good if they had pro teammates around them.
Dejuan Harris didn’t cost KU Philon. I know the narrative is about him playing PG, but if that were the case, Philon wouldn’t have gone to Alabama to play next to Mark Sears. Philon decommitted a couple of days after Elmarko announced he was returning, but somehow it was Dejuan’s fault, not Self choosing Elmarko. That PG narrative is pure BS.
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Anyone have know where to find selfs postgame. Curious to what BS he has to say this time
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@kuballin10 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@approxinfinity - we have our answer already per postgame
Self: If people think this is the frickin end of the season, it’s not at all. We played right with maybe the best team in America tonight without one of our starters.
Flory was the best player on the court and has been outstanding since he got starter minutes. But since he isn’t 25 or in the circle of trust he has to go to the bench lmao.
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@dmurban said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Anyone have know where to find selfs postgame. Curious to what BS he has to say this time
Unless he has the balls to say he should’ve been smart enough to have made one else throw it in and a 6th year guy should be able to make FTs at the end games. I ain’t interested in hearing it.
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Tonight is frustrating and bringing out the worst in KU’s fanbase. I don’t understand how some people are justifying Dejuan taking all the blame tonight. He absolutely deserves a piece of the blame for his FT misses, but KU was also 17-30 as a team. Zeke was 3-6, Storr was 0-4, Griffen was 2-4. Harris also didn’t dribble the ball off his leg. Harris didn’t get a 5 second call. Harris didn’t throw away an inbound pass. While Harris does get a piece of the blame, Zeke Mayo gets the biggest piece of the blame for his lack of awareness while inbounding the ball.
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@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@kuballin10 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@approxinfinity - we have our answer already per postgame
Self: If people think this is the frickin end of the season, it’s not at all. We played right with maybe the best team in America tonight without one of our starters.
Flory was the best player on the court and has been outstanding since he got starter minutes. But since he isn’t 25 or in the circle of trust he has to go to the bench lmao.
This my worry KJ comes back and Flory goes back to playing 11 minutes a game while KJ a plays 30. Id be shocked if it doesn’t happen with how mentality disabled Self seems to be the last few years.
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@kjayhawks said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@TYOHawk said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@kuballin10 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
@approxinfinity - we have our answer already per postgame
Self: If people think this is the frickin end of the season, it’s not at all. We played right with maybe the best team in America tonight without one of our starters.
Flory was the best player on the court and has been outstanding since he got starter minutes. But since he isn’t 25 or in the circle of trust he has to go to the bench lmao.
This my worry KJ comes back and Flory goes back to playing 11 minutes a game while KJ a plays 30. Id be shocked if it doesn’t happen with how mentality disabled Self seems to be the last few years.
Self has allowed his affinity for certain guys to affect him way too much recently. We all know he’s had favorites in the past but he could be somewhat subjective…now if you aren’t in the circle of trust…Good luck
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@TYOHawk yep I’m trying to decide if I want to watch this team again not only this season but as long as self is here. Clearly changes need to happen at the top back to back preseason #1 teams without conference titles and first weekend exits. Unacceptable for our program and Goff has to hold him accountable.
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Oh boy.
Really frustrating to play an otherwise great game and choke like that.
The only reasonable takeaway is: We have to have more poise at the end of games.
DaJuan this, KJ that, Hunter whatever is just not relevant today.
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The only other thing I will share with you guys after such a frustrating loss is a cliche but also very true.
Relax. It’s just a game. It’s normal to be frustrated but it’s still just a game. Spend time with your loved ones. Spend time doing something else you enjoy. Remember, you all have rich lives outside of KU hoops.
Edit: Not trying to be preachy. Just trying to put something in our heads that I know I would do well to remember more often.
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@Jhawk69 very true I should get off of here. I’ll add one last jab. You can’t call out your fan base like he did and then get out coached that bad twice at the end of the game.
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Blue Bloods
Lioness
Will Trent
Ghosts
My evening was super stress free.
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@Jhawk69 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Oh boy.
Really frustrating to play an otherwise great game and choke like that.
The only reasonable takeaway is: We have to have more poise at the end of games.
DaJuan this, KJ that, Hunter whatever is just not relevant today.
Poise would be a valid reason next year when we’re featuring DP, Flory and a new group. This is a group who’s led by two guys who’ve been here for a minute.
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@kjayhawks I really don’t think self was outcoached. Self coached a good game. I know failing to inbound the ball twice falls on the coach…but I just can’t help but think 4 guys with that much experience gotta know how to inbound a pass.
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Fools gold is something that looks good but has no value. Bill and KU have 2 very real rings.
If random fate has smiled so broadly upon Bill Self, then how extremely unlucky are all these schools?
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I honestly hope future NIL agreements are more so performance base. Imagine Zeke and Juan having to pay the university money they stole after tonight’s performances lol
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I’m kind of amazed I’m the one that doesn’t think the sky is failing. It’s a collapse, sure. But the worst thing about it is, we found some answers tonight. Griffen played great. So did Flory. They missed some FTs down the stretch. That hurts. But it happens in basketball. My biggest concern is that the way we lost wipes out the growth we saw tonight.
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@nuleafjhawk you are probably the smartest out of all of us pretty sure this year of Kansas athletics has shaved a decade off of my life.
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@MoonwalkMafia right that’s the problem with losing in that manor, it erodes any potential positives away. It stinks to hear how we wouldn’t win crap outside of the B12 for years and it’s proven to be true since expanding the conference. We don’t even have regular season supremacy to hang our hats on. We have nothing during basketball season anymore. Do you think this team can win a national title? I think I have a better shot at winning the lottery and I don’t play it.
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Allen Fieldhouse Magic is dead RIP 1955-2022 it was once the greatest place in the world.
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Upon further review, that was so much more than a loss. It was a Greek tragedy.
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It was just one of those days and we came into this big game as doubting this team really had the goods. What do we make of Flory and Rylan? They played their bunsuelos off. We were thinking we should be shooting better and we did especially Rylan from deep. I feel really bad for Rylan surely he’s hurting right now. I can’t even describe Flory’s game. He was everywhere and relentless wherever he was. I was like yes! yes! yes! and the pessimist Zabudda whom I don’t like very much was lurking around and I acted out bad enough to embarrass myself. Oh well shoot a nickel and now I’m looking forward to the UCF game on Tuesday to see what transpires.
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@kjayhawks I’m definitely not the smartest. It’s just self preservation, like you hinted at. College basketball has been ruined for me. The money and the ability to transfer on a whim has made it a mini NBA, which I also don’t like. I miss the camaraderie/ angst of this site, but that’s about it.
There is a life beyond this College basketball circus!
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Lots of blame to go around for this one. Certain senior players made costly mistakes, missed free throws, inbounds mistakes. Our coach did not prevent the inbounds blunders from happening twice. That’s been a pattern in his tenure here unfortunately over the years.
I can’t think of a more shocking and disappointing loss at home. This should have been a big win providing the kind of momentum that propells seasons forward. I would be shocked if this one didn’t weaken the locker room and didn’t have an immediate impact on the next week. That’s a haunting loss for all.
I would be shocked if we brought the same level of effort on March 3 when we play them again. I would love to be wrong, maybe they will recover but we’ve seen this novel play out before.
I’ll continue to watch and support and hope this was just yet another roadblock to overcome but it’s getting difficult to say that anymore
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@BeddieKU23 March 3 is going to be a double digit beatdown just hopefully not as bad as last year
Anytime we play a top 10 team on the road we’ve seen this story for two years
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@approxinfinity I think context is needed
2008 - Memphis did exactly what we did last night clanking free throws and handing us the game. We still went out and took it
2022 - Kalkebrenner not playing and Bacot severely hobbled. We still delivered and the game against nova was awesome
My thing is we never just rolled through the field or anything - games are always close.
This looking back is because the style Bill plays. Right now he’s just cashing $10m checks and adding to his investments so he can spoil the grandkids more….but his favorites are brutal.
Rather than get up there and say flory was a stud he references missing a starter. Dude is obsessed with kj and d2. He didn’t even bring up him missing free throws.
I was always told flory would foul out quick if he played and yet he played against a physical team and fouls out in double OT. The Self defenders are blind as heck
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@kuballin10 For what it’s worth, here’s what he said about Dajuan missing those FTs…
“Yeah, Juan did a good job on LJ. Juan had 12 assist, one turnover and guarded LJ Cryer that well. Okay, it is pretty impressive, but he goes the line and misses two and I think to your point, I think that could be somewhat fatigue as well.”
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Here we go again with the fatigue excuses. He has Shak and barely played him yesterday for whatever reason.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Here we go again with the fatigue excuses. He has Shak and barely played him yesterday for whatever reason.
Coach has allowed his affinity to override his common sense when it comes to those two. No matter what side you’re on…there is no world where Dajuan should play 46 minutes in a game when we have Shak healthy.
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@MoonwalkMafia Uzan for Houston had 17-9-9……Juan also didn’t get credit for his atrocious pass to Griffen
Diggy is a complete waste
Shak shows he can effect a game more
Shak eff’s up and only plays 19 minutes yesterday and Diggy gets 11 spastastic minutes
Self then makes an excuse for d2 being tired and missing game winning free throws
Bill has become what he preached against for decades - what a pu$$
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@BeddieKU23 said in Feeling the Fieldhouse magic?:
Here we go again with the fatigue excuses. He has Shak and barely played him yesterday for whatever reason.
THAT was my only problem with Coach yesterday,- WHY didn’t he play Shak more and relieve Juan -that was kind of a head scratcher
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I have defended Juan for 4 years … if a senior and a decent foul shooter can’t make just one out two to ice the game at home, then good god WTF. He choked. Houston made their clutch free throws. They are clearly a better team than us right now. I’m done defending Juando. The three of Hunter KJ and Jaun whom I have rooted for and defended are not good enough to lead a top ten team. I love KJ but it’s a fact.
Next year will an interesting season for Self. The bloom is fading rapidly.
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@kuballin10 I’m not defending juan. I can’t wait till he’s gone.
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If Juan was the only player on the team to miss his free throws I’d be a little more critical BUT he wasn’t . He actually did fine ( for the most part ) did he miss huge free throws ? -Absolutely – yet so did others Rylan - - Zeke at critical times. I would say Juan’s eight points - -2/3 from the three- - twelve assists – & ONE turnover is a pretty good games worth should be good enough- -well for most it would be
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Yes all good points, but a senior who is ostensibly a team leader just CANNOT miss both. I’m not sure I ever saw Juan clank one off the front rim. Clearly nerves maybe combined with fatigue. He absolutely needed to make that second one.
Btw who is the leader of this team? KJ? Jaun is not a born leader, I think Hunter may be on the spectrum, his affect is weird, plus there is always the feeling that he is here really for the money. and as one poster commented, he is soft as baby s—t. Good bigs neutralize him because he is slow. Zeke is trying hard to be our stud god bless him, but it puts him in a position to force shots which look desperate at times.
I think my KU colored glasses are finally coming off. I can see them for what they are, including the coach.
I will root for them of course, but as they are, not what I (and most of us) hoped they would be.
Can Self afford one more year of another highly touted but ultimately under-performing team?
I’ve always suspected that his coaching style kills confidence in many of his players. He plays his favorites to a fault, and yanks the guys off the bench when they make mistakes, which makes for a non-chemistry team. Keep playing our bench, let them play thru mistakes, and it will pay off come March.
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@Bosthawk If the ncaa grants the 5th year and Juan and kj come back - dolla bill will really wonder why afh is so empty
If the 5th year isn’t granted I’m afraid he gives DP the Oubre treatment and f’s him up
Also think he loves Elmarko and “trusts” him which watch it will limit a top transfer pg we are in on. We will be in on 3-5 of them and if we whiff that would be why.
If we do get the stud transfer pg watch him sit behind elmarko lol
I’m so done with Self. He consistently ran the Wac version 2.0 for a decade and fell flat on his face in the tourney.
His style of ball isn’t ran by anyone in the nba or div 1 based on the players we have.
He and Cal are on their way out
