Crap on Jeff Grimes thread
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Guys like Mangino and Gregggg were feared but not respected. That doesn’t fly today. Can’t keep people around when they don’t respect you and they have the freedom to leave. I played for a KS Sports Hall of Fame head coach and he rarely screamed at or demeaned anyone. You don’t have to be a raging prick to win.
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@FarmerJayhawk Your coach probably didn’t have to worry about how much NIL money you were making, how often you were going to transfer or wonder if you were ever going to take your damn face out of your damn phone.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Crap on Jeff Grimes thread:
Guys like Mangino and Gregggg were feared but not respected. That doesn’t fly today. Can’t keep people around when they don’t respect you and they have the freedom to leave. I played for a KS Sports Hall of Fame head coach and he rarely screamed at or demeaned anyone. You don’t have to be a raging prick to win.
Brad Stevens ‘nuff said.
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@nuleafjhawk eh, 2/3. It was the late 2000’s so we all had phones and it was a pretty mobile community. Lots of kids in and out.
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@approxinfinity said in Crap on Jeff Grimes thread:
@benshawks08 matt taits explanation:
Matt Tait @mctait · 3h It was all after the fact. I took it as him saying, if you thought Illinois was the low point, we’ve now hit an even lower point after losing to UNLV & have to really lock in & take nothing for granted to get it corrected. It was a good answer & the players responded well.
Oh so CONTEXT matters all of the sudden?!!?
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@FarmerJayhawk I personally don’t mind a coach being very tough. I had a bit of a man crush on Bobby Knight - I wanted to be him if I had been a coach. Sorry. I knew the mother of one of his 4 year players and she would NOT let you bad mouth him. She said he was a much better man than his public persona, but that was how he coached. Honestly, if you’re a college - D1 - football player and have to be coddled and not yelled at, you should probably take up chess or ice dancing or something.
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@nuleafjhawk there’s definitely a line between being tough and abusive. Mangino and Greggggg were canned for the latter. I read A Season on the Brink years ago, and wow did that was a trip. Some folks just aren’t motivated by getting screamed at. This might be a hot take, but if you’re a teacher of any sort you have to figure out how to reach and motivate each student/player. Some guys need tough love, but as Lance says you gotta be able to wrap your arms around them sometimes too. If you just get on guys all the time without building them up once in awhile you get the end of the Greggggggg era at WSU or the end of Mangino at KU. Things went off the rails because players got tired of their crap, didn’t respect them, and played like it.
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If you’ve ever been in a situation where your superior only yells at you, you’ll start to normalize it and it isn’t motivating at all.
A timely “atta boy” is often times more motivating than screaming.
Also, a HUGE difference in challenging guys to be better and mf-ing them to the point of embarrassment.
Also, some guys are more motivated with an “I’ll show you” attitude and nonchalance is a motivating tool.
There are a ton of levers to pull to motivate people and a good coach will utilize all of them.
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There definitely has to be both accountability and praise from a coach. Most good coaches are very intense and get on players til they get it perfect. YouTube Nick Sabans Alabama practices that are taped, if they are off by 6 inches on play, he is in their face telling that ain’t the right way. Great players love the accountability and hard work. Now as @FarmerJayhawk said you have to be able to do both that and show the guys or gals you care at the same time.
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If I recall… In our past few seasons KU was known as the “motion offense team” and we ran an offense similar to the Chiefs.
We look like a traditional offense now and we are not owning the offensive end of the ball.
I know Lance is the HC… but wasn’t he going to require a similar style as we moved on to a new OC?
I’m not sure where I place blame yet since I’m a total backseat quarterback in this game. From what I see… our defense isn’t too bad, but they are on the field too much now and getting worn out!
Daniels looks to be without confidence and looks lost out there half the time. I think the first order of business is to settle him down. Run the ball more, including having him run with the ball. Call easier pass plays, and very rarely a long ball. Build his confidence and also stop the TOs!
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@drgnslayr said in Crap on Jeff Grimes thread:
If I recall… In our past few seasons KU was known as the “motion offense team” and we ran an offense similar to the Chiefs.
We look like a traditional offense now and we are not owning the offensive end of the ball.
I know Lance is the HC… but wasn’t he going to require a similar style as we moved on to a new OC?
I’m not sure where I place blame yet since I’m a total backseat quarterback in this game. From what I see… our defense isn’t too bad, but they are on the field too much now and getting warn out!
Daniels looks to be without confidence and looks lost out there half the time. I think the first order of business is to settle him down. Run the ball more, including having him run with the ball. Call easier pass plays, and very rarely a long ball. Build his confidence and also stop the TOs!
The one thing I have noticed is that in the last couple of years with our former OC we had the opportunity to quick strike- -that home run offense-- play calls with Big time explosive results - -Big chunk plays rathe it was through the air, or on the ground. -w e were explosive.-----This year – -not so much , we haven’t had that. Th question becomes is it because of Change in our OC ? or is it that the guys just aren’t executing the plays fully ?- -I have a little tendency to believe that it is our new OC to a certain degree anyways. - -maybe with him moving down to on the field—things will change
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@jayballer67 I think the important part was that the big chunk plays weren’t always long passes either. It was something that would get someone open and moving into space where they could make an easy pass and catch and then rack up some YAC. But maybe I’m imagining that.
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@benshawks08 right, at this point I have zero belief in Grimes play calling and play book in general. As I posted above on this thread. The special teams scored more than the offense for his last team thru 6 games a year ago. If I feel that way, how do the players? If they don’t trust or believe in Grimes it’s gonna be a long season. There is just too much talent on that side of the ball for us not go average above 35 PPG.
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@drgnslayr Our play calling even with run game has been very predictable.
We need to be a bit more creative in calling plays for our playmakers, get them open in space and gain yards.
I hope Grimes can take a few plays from AK’s playbook.
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@AsadZ I’m frustrated that we have ran the option twice this season, gained 20 yards each time to not run it more
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@kjayhawks don’t want to be too predictable
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Officially changed to fire Jeff grimes on my note
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So i guess the question is does LL put too much faith in JD, or does he have no faith in Ballard?
Jalon Daniels had a 39% rating today. Surely somebody can do better?
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
15/25 184 7.4 1 1 39.3
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@kjayhawks i think you put grines.
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@rockchalkjayhawk i know nothing about football but it seems like a wildcat offense with jalon could be potent?
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@approxinfinity I would certainly run him more now since he clearly lost his arm from the back injury.
He has a good enough arm you still have to respect the pass. But at this point you aren’t worried about keeping him healthy. Every game from here on out has to be played like it is a championship game. Because it basically is if we want to sniff a bowl.
WVU played today like that. Their QB had almost 20 runs today. We need that same since of urgency.
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@Kcmatt7 agreed. He seems to want to run and is gunshy to pass. Let him run. Worst case, lose him for the season. Best case, running him more opens up the offense. Maybe he finds a comfortable balance and gets his swagger back.
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@approxinfinity hahahaha
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Some journalist needs to take the time to compare the 2022 JD vs the 2024 JD. I’m not wasting my time to do it, but it’s screwed up. He’s obviously throwing differently (not even standing on both feet half the time this season). Play option decision making is totally F d up this year. Stupider. Just a total 180 of the guy we knew, and I’d like to know WTF happened.
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@rockchalkjayhawk The guy selling peanuts has a better completion rate.
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8 yard patterns to the sidelines will cut up a defense if the throws are there. The part of the game I saw today was lacking any sort of accuracy on those throws. The completions led to immediate tackles out of bounds. Zero chance for YAC. All of those skilled wideouts must be getting frustrated not being able to get the big plays.
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@nuleafjhawk - Now that’s funny!
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@DanR Is he concerned about getting injured?
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@AsadZ that has to be in the back of his mind.
You know the surest way to get injured?
Play like you’re worried about getting injured.
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Is this a recruiting miss? Should we have been able to pull a high level backup like Bean who would be able to play right now?
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@approxinfinity I’m not sure but Ballard must look like dog poo in practice if they haven’t let him even try at this point with how JD is playing. David Lawrence said several times on the radio call due the first half while I was driving. JD has zero zip on the long passes they are just hung up for someone to pick it and way too much zip on the underneath stuff.
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you know people blamin Grimes, and I agree to a point anyways BUT part of the blame needs to be give to Brian Borland defense too-- --three times late in the fourth qtr surrendering leads yesterday twenty frickens seconds.- -Didn’t feel quite as baad about Illinois after they beat Nebraska, but how the hell you give up an eleven point lead with five minutes to go - That’s on your defense
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@kjayhawks Ballard could look like a big steaming pile of poo - or maybe LL is just a stubborn ass. I don’t know.
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So after all the complaints about Grimes and Leipold, have we actually made any changes? Status quo?
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It sure does not sound like any changes per LL’s last interview. Hopefully, things will improve and we’ll be pleasantly surprised, but I strongly expect we will be having a similar sentiment.
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@rockchalkjayhawk well, we went from losing by single digits to losing by double digits, so there’s that. I believe it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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Well, we can only hope the learning curve for a new coordinator and QB combo comes together quickly.
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I’ll say this. If nothing changes, and they keep losing, LL deserves some heat.
Big issue now is they have a Lockerroom that is likely on the brink of collapse. You have to fire Grimes even to appease the players if they lose this week.
And if they lose and keep Grimes you can just count me out on watching another game this season.
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I sure won’t watch next week
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As one of the guys that has consistently got on Grimes this season. I didn’t agree with everything tonight but he easily called his best game as a KU coach in this one.
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@Kcmatt7 as much as it pains me admit, coach LL has to start taking heat for losing 5 straight games we led in the 4th quarter or late in the 3rd.
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@FarmerJayhawk I’ll bet my whole pay check Kansas will not lose next weekend in football.
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@kjayhawks I’ll raise you two whole paychecks
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@Kcmatt7 hoping this comment aged poorly. Grimes did much better and we still lost.
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@kjayhawks if anyone could under those circumstances, it would be us!
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I really think the bye week came at the perfect time. I think you just have to sit everyone down and start over at square one starting tomorrow. If you are making a coaching staff change now is the time to do. You let every player and coach vent, let out that frustration. Do it behind closed doors hopefully fists fly and straighten up some folks. More forward as a team.
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@kjayhawks said in Crap on Jeff Grimes thread:
@Kcmatt7 as much as it pains me admit, coach LL has to start taking heat for losing 5 straight games we led in the 4th quarter or late in the 3rd.
That’s Borlands responsibility. - -He needs to take responsibility for the changing Scheme when you can’t stop QB draws or have a RB run wild on you play after play after play.-- They should be putting a spy on those types of QB’S - -what has Borland done to fix it
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Need wheeler back
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@approxinfinity said in Crap on Jeff Grimes thread:
@Kcmatt7 hoping this comment aged poorly. Grimes did much better and we still lost.
Offense looked pretty great actually. Grimes probably bought himself another week.
Defense was atrocious.
The season continues to just be a kick in the groin though. Heartbreaker after heartbreaker.
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@jayballer67 defense was definitely the issue last night, not sure anyone would argue that. But several other games the offense had chances to help and didn’t or turned the ball over. Last night was KUs first lost in a long without a TO.
