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BOOOOM ! ! ! AND SO NOW IT BEGINS !. The 1st step in expansion is now i motion. - -just came out, well Colorado had a Board of regents today, and now have scheduled a public meeting for tomorrow which they have to do sa following procedure in moving /leaving the Pac 12. - -open to public tomorrow, Media is just blowing up - - On top of that Big 12 Presidents having a meeting tonight, presumably to discuss expansion - - -there ya go - -sounds or I smell well media smells lots of smoke and see the fire.
Watch now you about to see the BIG now there is talk that talks have been going behind the scenes that the BIG is more likely then not to take Oregon , Washington , Standford AND cal. - -you will also see Arizona move before long and chances are Arizona State and even Utah just like was talked about for moths and months.
It’s here expansion is on the horizon like it or not - - it’s coming
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Lots and lots of Smoke about Oregon St. being said if Big 12 gives an invite- - it’s a done deal. - - Talk about Utah needs to get off the all mighty horse and come to Big 12 or get left behind.
Colorado to announce Friday. - -Arizona, ha emergency regents meeting tonight - -could very well be Colorado - -Arizona - - Arizona St and Oregon St
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I think Oregon is the other one
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Dana Altman. It will be fun exacting revenge.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:
I think Oregon is the other one
Very possible, although pretty reliable source on these thing shas been stating keep your eyes on Oregon State. But no matter the PAC is done.
The conversation has been that Prime was big in this, ever since he was hired by Colorado he wanted to be able to recruit in Big 12 territory/Texas. The PAC destroyed itself by messing around and not getting any media deal. - Ol George trying to bluff his wy through saying things were looking up cause the longer they waited that more suitors were coming to the table. -Word is Pac wanted to high of media deal at any rate, Arizona hsa called an emergency meeting tonight, Oregon State had an emergency meeting yesterday, and word is that if they do get an invite - -Oregon State is a done deal. – Utah better get their act together and get off their high horse thiking they better then Big 12- -or get left behind - so much going on right now
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I’m hearing it’s Wazzu.
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OSU or Wazzu would be both hilarious and sad. Had a buddy interview for a job at OSU and said it was more like Tulsa than KU
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@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:
OSU or Wazzu would be both hilarious and sad. Had a buddy interview for a job at OSU and said it was more like Tulsa than KU
And, embarrassing. The bottom of the P12 barrel in both athletics and academics…
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@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren’t very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).
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@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:
@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren’t very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).
WSU is 7-6, 7-6, and 6-7 the past 3 (non-Covid) years. And, yes, they suck at basketball. But, Pullman WA and Corvallis OR? The former is almost impossible to get to. Spokane is a thriving metropolis compared to Pullman.
I don’t get it. Neither would bring basketball, football or academic cred, they don’t bring TV eyeballs, and they cenrtainly aren’t recruiting hotbeds. What would be the rationale for either OSU or WSU?
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@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:
I’m hearing it’s Wazzu.
No don’t think so, just got through listening to podcast ad WSU just doesn’t bring enough, & I guess probably not Oregon St either even though there was a lot of buzz should be interesting tomorrow. Colorado votes tomorrow - -well public meeting but all sources saying tomorrow is just a formality, for Colorado to apply for Big 12 , cause rumor has it Colorado already been given verbal invitation - -Some seem to think the other school other then the 4 corners might be Oregon, BUT others saying Oregon believes BIG invite now coming since Colorado has made their move to get the ball rolling.
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@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:
@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren’t very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).
They made those bowl games because they had Mike Leach before he went to MSU.
Martin Stadium is small and if Washington St. was in the Mountain West, they’d still have the smallest stadium in the conference. Washington St. and Oregon St. are among the smallest athletic department budgets among P5 schools and like KSU, are only in P5 conferences because they are “original” members of those leagues. WSU and OSU, like KSU, are more on par with the Mountain West or AAC in terms of athletic department budgets than they are with the bigger schools in their leagues.
I can’t see Yormark having much interest in adding WSU or OSU to the Big 12.
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Talk on the podcast from insiders saying Utah may have just screwed themselves for joining the Big 12 . Source saying Utah hasn’t even been given a verbal invite from the Big 12, Utah thinking they better , now where you at ? -
Also tonight the Big 12 voted unanimously to accept Colorado into the Big 12, even though Colorado hsn’t YET asked, But that comes tomorrow 3:00 Standard time. - -The talk is Arizona now on the move - -already they had an emergency meeting tonight , the talk right now is Arizona - Colorado - - Arizona state although they really didn’t want to leave the Pac that much, but did say whatever Arizona did they would follow, and then LOT’S of smoke about the surprise team being Oregon State - -Brett has stated that he only wants teams that wants to be here ( the Big 12 ) -Utah was luke warm on coming to Big 12 - -now might bite them in the ass
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Why don’t we just go back to a legit big 10, a legit big 8, a legit PAC 10, the ACC what it was, the SW Conference which was very good, etc, etc.?
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@wissox They really should for non-revenue producing sports. Regional conferences help keep travel expenses down.
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They talking about what they are calling a A-3 system breaking it down to like 26 teams in each Conference -that’s BS, but I guess they thinking about possibilities - -it would be the BIG - - SEC - -& Big 1 although would be way more then twelve. - they had a graph showing the teams in the different conferences can’t even remember them all, it was on one of the podcasts. - -I hope it doesn’t come to that
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So now we go through the formality of Colorado submitting the request to come back to the Big 12 , that’s at 4 this afternoon. , Arizona now on the clock which also seems to be a very strong possibility.- -then Arizona St.
That Brings us the 4th School. Who will be the 4th School if we do end up taking 4 which seems to be the general rumor . For the longest time it has been speculated it would be Utah , but Brett also has made the statement that he only wanted Schools that wanted to be here. Utah had been kind of reluctant. , dragging their feet , well now that the 1st part of the down fall of the PAC 12 has been set in motion - - -now there is panic for Utah as now we are finding out that Utah hasn’t been given that verbal invitation to the Big 12 by Brett.
Well now there has been rumor that there is another PAC 12 School that is interested in the BIG 12 and not one of the 4 corner schools, has been a lot of smoke about the possibility of it being Oregon St. The thinking is it would give them that 4th time zone they been looking for automatically.
A fe other sources saying it’s Oregon might be the other School. - -That would be great, BUT kind of a mixed review/bad. - -As most know Oregon & Washington have been wanting to get into the BIG. The BIG commissioner as of 12 hours ago stated that the BIG has no desire to expand any further at the present time and want to focus on scheduling, Olympic sports and various other things , ye we have also hear that Washington and Oregon had already been vetted by the BIG. Sooo which is it ? - The BIG has ben quoted or so thy say is that they don’t want to be the ones that are made out to be the one’s who destroyed the PAC 12. So now the Colorado has made it’s move they could possibly go ahead and accept Washington & Oregon but yet says not interested at adding at present.
So here is the deal , Rumor has it that Washington & Orgon are going to try one more time for acceptance from the BIG , so what happens if they get rejected ? Then Oregon applies to the Big 12 , like I said great would be a great add BUT what you have to realize is if accepted by Big 12 Oregon could very easily bolt in like 5 years for the BIG even been a little talk about both Washing AND Oregon to the Big 12 if BIG says no. but again mixed bag cause they will run like a stripped s Ape if BIG were to offer, then Big 1 would be right back to looking for replacement teams just like wehn Texa and Oklahoma pulled their BS - -gonna get interesting real quick
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@jayballer67 If Oregon amd Washington were the 15th and 16th teams, it would be the blow that losing two schools when you’re already down to 8 or 10 schools would be. A 16 team Big 12 would be in a much better position to absorb potentially losing schools like Oregon and Washington than a potentially 8 team PAC 12 would be.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in And then we have these discussions:
@jayballer67 If Oregon amd Washington were the 15th and 16th teams, it would be the blow that losing two schools when you’re already down to 8 or 10 schools would be. A 16 team Big 12 would be in a much better position to absorb potentially losing schools like Oregon and Washington than a potentially 8 team PAC 12 would be.
One of the most key points is and Brett has already showed this – -is a key phrase , Brett only wants teams that wants to be here. - -the question is does Oregon and Washington really want to be here ? - -The simple answer is NO - - No they really don’t - -they want the BIG, they are schools that think they are to good for the Big 12, their fan base has said as much, . - All they are doing if they did come is they are in a panic now, the BIG said Commissioner ( Tony Petetti )has said that the BIG is not interested in more expansion right now, and Washington & Oregon is now at a Defcon 5 because the BIG at this present moment says they are sitting pat and the PAC is a dumpster fire looking for a place to burn. - - So Washington & Oregon trying to find someplace to go, not because the Big 12 is where they want to be BUT where they feel they have to be.
That is not the type of scenario Brett is looking for - Utah is finding out how that works. Utah is another School that before really didn’t want the Big 12 , and now Colorado has put the car in gear and the PAC is on their way to destruction and Utah is looking like - - -now what do we do, as they found out Utah hasn’t even been given a verbal invitation that everybody was thinking that Utah would automatically be part of the 4 corner. - Brett has also said the Big 12 will not double Dip , taking teams from the PAC, so if you don’t get invited NOW - - -your screwed cause we not coming back.
Now maybe Brett does invite Oregon, I think Washington STILL doesn’t want and is not showing any interest in coming to the Big 12, so ya maybe , maybe Oregon does get the invite BUT they better not hesitate - -or they too will be left behind - just hate to see us add a team and then 4-5 yrs down the line they bolt.
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Tbh we don’t really want to be here either
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Little birdie told me Stanford is another school to watch. Big 12 Presidents and Chancellors would love to have their academics and Olympic sports. And their tv ratings in football are better than you’d think https://sports.yahoo.com/pac-12-football-tv-ratings-155526207.html
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Vote was unanimous. Colorado is in
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@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:
Tbh we don’t really want to be here either
I don’t think we are going to have to worry about them coming BUT they are meeting with Big 12 officials tonight to discuss expansion
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Some pretty good smoke with Arizona, one report saying could be done by Monday , ye another says possible vote by Thursday. Either way think they will be here in th end. Again watch out for Oregon State a lot more talk this afternoon sources saying Oreon State is hot
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in And then we have these discussions:
@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:
@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren’t very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).
They made those bowl games because they had Mike Leach before he went to MSU.
Martin Stadium is small and if Washington St. was in the Mountain West, they’d still have the smallest stadium in the conference. Washington St. and Oregon St. are among the smallest athletic department budgets among P5 schools and like KSU, are only in P5 conferences because they are “original” members of those leagues. WSU and OSU, like KSU, are more on par with the Mountain West or AAC in terms of athletic department budgets than they are with the bigger schools in their leagues.
I can’t see Yormark having much interest in adding WSU or OSU to the Big 12.
I don’t think Wazzu got the memo that their success on the football field was only due to Leach considering they made a bowl game the last 2 years in row without him. The people who saying the mystery team is Wazzu know alot more than you or I know about the situation. I’m going take their word for it.
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Another tid bit from these expansion talks. -Rumor saying that Brett & Big 12 gave the four corner Schools and told them August 1st is the date- -the cut off day for the Schols to decide, if the Big 12 doesen’t have decision - -by then - - well then we move on, & no double dipping
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@FarmerJayhawk here’s a nice graphical representation (slightly dated) of Stanford’s dominance across all ncaa sports. https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2018-07-06/colleges-most-ncaa-championships
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So now we come to this. There seems to be mixed feelings/discussions possibly as to what the Big 12 does next. - seems to be general consensus the Big 12 is now at 13 teams /schools for 2024. The question is we all know we are not staying at 13. So we have heard some saying we add one more team to bring it to 14 - -then there are several that say they think we still got 3 coming.
Some talk that the media /tv is saying ok whoaa let’s add the 1 team and see how it goes with 14 teams for a bit all we add for now , but yet again I’m hearing from insiders they we are still looking to add 3 more teams
IF it is just one, pretty clear that Yormork has Targeted Arizona from the pack , although they have become a bit more dragging their feet lately . The talk is Yormork has been in touch with ALL PAC 12 institutions and visa versa. - There had been talk that Oregon was interested in coming. BUT Yormork has stated that we want schools who actually want to be here for the long haul, and Oregon & Washington starting to sweat the PAC 12 is imploding and the BIG is saying they are not looking to add at this point. That leaves Oregon and Washington in a situation - -Do they come to the BIG 12 and then bolt within 5 years with the next media negotiations ? or do they take a chance and try to ride it out with the PAC ? - -talk is they would want to come to the BIG 12, but Brett is not looking to be a stepping stone, and would be asking them to sign a long term deal. So like I said we are really looking at Arizona - IF for some reason Arizona wants to stay on the titanic and sink then they are about to see their life line leave, a rumor has it that we have pretty much given any PAC 12 members to decide by Aug 1st then we are gone. – If that turns out and still only one - -the rumor becomes that U Conn is up next Brett really wants to get the North East covered and adding U CONN would bring in the NY media market huge brand media Some feel that U Conn not as bad as people trying to make them out in football , and they are on the rebound. You don’t expand for what you get now -you have to look 4-5 years down the road and people feel that they are improving with their new Coach.
Fitz from Power Cat .com on his daily dose is one who believes it’s better if we end up still adding three more going to 16 - - still a lot of smoke around that too, gonna be or could be an interesting week coming up
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Not sure if anyone has heard these things either, I mean there have been rumblings , and not saying it’s happening tomorrow , or the yr or even the next, but we HAVE heard this before. What I/we think is happening is your seeing a trend and tey are talking about, wht we are going to end up happening is like having three MEGA CONFERENCES
Calling something like the - - A - -3 - -which very much like the - -BIG - - SEC - - & the Big 12 or whatever it will eventually be called as you can’t keep it as the Big 12 when you have 14- -16 teams or whatever.
What sounds like trending your going to see these three mega conferenes in the end , with having 24-25 teams in each conference and they are going to break away from the NCAA and have a completely different Governing Body. Things not that far down the road going to put a totally different look to the College athletics scene
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I’m concerned that if Oregon and Washington jumped to the Big 12, they would leave as soon as the B1G asked them. I’d rather do without them joining the Big 12.
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@Gorilla72 said in And then we have these discussions:
I’m concerned that if Oregon and Washington jumped to the Big 12, they would leave as soon as the B1G asked them. I’d rather do without them joining the Big 12.
Not to worry my friend. - - They not coming, keep your eyes on Arizona this coming week, would say they are like right about 85 % chance they going to be team 14. and could be as early as Tuesday,- - Brett want schools that want to be in the Big 12, Oregon and Washington just using us as a sleep over , even though the BIG says they not taking anybody right now - -you watch Arizona comes to the BIG 12 - -then BIG invitesd Oregon and Washington. - not to worry they won’t be in the Big 12
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Well ol George Kliavkoff trying to pull off a last minute miracle. - -The PAC 12 /9 is having a meeting Tuesday and George trying to convince Arizona to stay , Sources say the chances ol George pulls that off is almost Nil.
Sources saying looks like /sounds like the BIG is going to allow the Big 12 to deliver the kill shot to the PAC 12.
Now an real interesting piece came out today that the Big 10 is adding Oregon - - Washinton - - Florida State - -& Clemson this week - -only can say WOW, not real sure that’s happening but it has came out by multiple sources today.- - -Florida St is very PO’D at the Acc about the TV media deal, and they feel they have found the way out , they could sue the ACC because they are not getting the media amount that they were told and suing for fraud and withdrawing from the ACC. -
Later heard came out as breaking that the ACc has lowered the fees to 300 Million /buyout whatever and could be paid in 30 Million installments annually.
If this happens then sources say you then see the ACC start to implode, and w get closer to the - - -A-3 - -3 mega conferences of like 25-26 teams in these 3. - - which in turn you would see 4 ACC teams probably end up in the SEC - - 4 teams in the BIG - -& 4 teams in the BIG 12/ or whatever it would be called. We shall see I’m not that sure about this, but this is what came out this morning.
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Boy things could be really interesting in the next few days. - -Arizona having their Executive Board meeting tomorrow , we had heard that chances are that the Big 12 would only add one more and that would be it , and be at 14.
Not so sure now, talk is that Arizona , Arizona St , & Utah wanting to band together sign of solidarity, so now looks like what had been mentioned that in the end we might very well end up with all 3.
Here is where it interesting, Ol George is giving a media update tomorrow, word is that he will disclose the amount of the Media deal ,BUT according to Jason Scheer which is usually spot on in these expansion things is reporting that the deal is going to be 20 million payout per school and mostly streaming. - - -IF that is the Deal then the PAC is - -DONE PERIOD, you will see teams bailing left and right. They have it figured with the big 12 well right now with the payouts from the NCAA tourney, multiple teams in - -multiple teams in the football playoffs with a 14 Big 12 league the pay out would be hitting 60 million - IF we were to go to a15 team league- - you probably looking North of 60 Million
Tomorrow will be a very telling day looking to the future. - - 14 Big12- - or 16 ? - -Sources say they STILL think in the end we end with 16
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I would prefer quality over quantity for the Big 12. Getting to 16 doesn’t get you more $$$ unless the additions represent markets that will drive up the value to TV (thinking of Oregon State and Washington State…)
The ACC could be thinking that allowing two unhappy members to leave is not so bad in an environment rich with replacements (like Stanford and Cal).
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@bskeet said in And then we have these discussions:
I would prefer quality over quantity for the Big 12. Getting to 16 doesn’t get you more $$$ unless the additions represent markets that will drive up the value to TV (thinking of Oregon State and Washington State…)
The ACC could be thinking that allowing two unhappy members to leave is not so bad in an environment rich with replacements (like Stanford and Cal).
the only problem with Stanford & Cal is as I’ve been seeing from and hearing from podcasts and from fans of the PAC 12 is Stanford and Cal suck at their sports and tv media doesn’t value their games they play , so they for sure don’t bring any value.- -Their football games the sources say they are playing in almost totally empty stadiums, they suck in Basketball and to be quite frank arre a couple of teams that are in serious jeopardy of being left behind with the implosion of the PAC 12.
They were hoping to some degree that maybe they could get an invite from the BIG but BIG sources say there is 100 % no interest in those two Schools. – They are in the same boat with the likes Of Washinton State , As far a the ACC , they really don’t want to add these Schools either as they add nothing and you sure don’t want to take on two lame duck schools to a conference that is already about to be in the same position as the PAC. - the most likely destination for Schools like Stanford and Cal is to stay put in the PAC as they race to find replacements other schools being mentioned to join the PAC 12 is San Diego St again SMU , Toledo & Tulane these are schools being mentioned for the PAC trying to replace schools leaving. Stanford and Cal either STAYS in the PAC or possibly if the league just implodes 100 % then like others end up in the Mountain West
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Can we rename this thread please? lol
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A lot of chatter for Arizona being the next team to pop for the Big12. Would be a great addition. Assuming that they are the next domino to fall, it will be super interesting to see what happens with OR, WA, UU, & ASU. If two more go to the Big12 then I think the PAC is dead. If they stay they can hold on a bit longer until OR & WA leave which they have made pretty clear they are trying to do - i.e. get into the BIG. They think they are in strong consideration for the next group to get in but that may not be accurate. So who really knows what will happen. Going to be exiting to follow. And I admit, I’m cheering for the collapse of the PAC.
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Great Video/post on you tube - - Titled Pac 12 condition- -check it out
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Well pretty well settles that. Word has leaked just as sources had reported, that yes the PAC 12’s Tv media isn’t getting it cut. Reported Yes it is Apple so majority streaming, and streming IS NOT the future for live sports anyways the report is 20 Million pe School MAYBE , MAYBE depending on subscriptions a couple of Mil more.
Apple is buying out the PAC 12 Network which was a disaster and paying a one time payment of 70 Mil to the Conference which just coincidentally is what is the debt to comcast. The PAC is toast and you will be seeing Arizona come to the Big twelve,.
As far as Arizona St , & Utah - -screw Utah they just firmly believe they are better then the Big 12 not answering Big 12 calls being reported. - So we could stil see Arizona - -Arizona St - - & U Conn , Yormork really wants U Conn
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B12 should definitely take AZ, ASU and UConn if possible. That’s 16. But honestly, if he could get 2 more really decent schools to join in the aftermath of the P12 collapse, I would think it’s ok to get to 18. Given all that is going on, there could be some churn.
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With the 16 you could have a fairly decent East/West Conference split with AZ, ASU, BYU, Colorado, Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston in the West and Ok St, KSU, KU, ISU, WVU, Cinn, Uconn, UCF in the East. I know Houston is technically east of a few of the more northern schools but figured you’d keep all of Texas together for potential rivalries and travel sake.
Or you could do 4 pods with a Far West (Zonas, BYU, and CO), Texas (Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston), Midwest (OKSt, KU, KSU, ISU), East (WVU, Cinn., UConn, UCF).
Could be fun. For basketball, home and home with your pod and alternating home away every season with the rest.
For football, always play your pod and then a rotating schedule of the other sections.
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At this point getting to 16 makes sense. Strength in numbers.
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Wow - - sounds like things are about to jump right off the plank. It now sounds like from reports coming out that the BIG has fired back up talks about Oregon & Washington Reports are that they have re-open talks, things had cooled down with the change in Commissioners’ but now heating up.
Now here is the thing not only is it being reported about Oregon & Washington but also considering Stanford and Cal -plus along keeping an eye on the ACC disruption mainly like Clemson & Florida State.
Thing is the BIG STILL does not want to be seen as the one that basically destroyed the PAC - -still wanting to see what happens to the PAC teams - Arizona - -Arizona St and that kind of thing. Now some of this could take a year or two but things are going to heat up quickly in some - -hold onto your butts. the scenery of College football is about to change drastically. - -
All of this just further points to the conversation of what it boils downs too is -the impulsion of the PAC - -and the impending impulsion of the ACC , don’t laugh it’s coming with Florida St and Clemson leading the way -all of this isleading us closer to the three Mega Conferences - -the A-3 with a totally different Governing committee seperate from the NCAa - WATCH - it’s happening
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Stanford and Cal seems to make a lot of sense
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The big10
% blew up the pac12 when it poached the two teams worth having.
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Apple TV is offering a season of all PAC12 games for $99.99. $8/month for sports and $7/month for AppleTV+ is $15. It appears to cover all televised PAC12 sports.
Would you take this deal for the Big 12?
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@Gorilla72 how does that work if you dont have apple tv? Cant get the content presumably. No thanks!
Its important for people to have nationwide access to our games. As much as i hate espn, i want us to be on after the Duke game. I dont want to be pushed off into a little pay bubble. Thats a losing formula imo.
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Well just broke right around 4, pretty much already knew but NOW it has came out that Arizona -Arizona St - - & Utah in serious talks with the Big 12, we are going to end up with a 16 team Conference
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Rumors are that the big ten takes Washington, Oregon, cal, Stanford. We get corner schools…. FSU, unc, Clemson all want big money. So either this year or next. Acc collapses. So essentially we are 3rd conference we end up with the scraps… Louisville Pitt Georgia tech etc
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Big 12 board had meeting tonight and approved the addition of Arizona it’s al a formality, Arizona haad a bOR meeting tonight along with Arizona St and according to Jason Scheer from the Wildcat Insider said it’s just a formality they should have things wrapped up tonight and hopefully along with Arizona St be able to Announce they are leaving the PAC.
The BOR over see’s Arizon and Arizona State both, so virtual lock that now Arizona & Arizona State coming and then Utah will follow according to multiple sources
