Big12 strength
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@cragarhawk UCF is the largest school that few have heard of. They have been the top 1-2 schools in the country by enrolment each year since 2010 (around 70,000 students the last several years). When I was there in the early 2000s they were throwing money at their football program. They spent their way into national relevance. They went undefeated in 2017 and claim a national championship that year (nobody else agrees). Their last 2 head football coaches were hired away by Nebraska and Tennessee.
Since football rules college athletics (based on $), they are a good addition to the Big 12. They will be competitive. In basketball, however, their biggest claim to fame is Michael Jordan’s son played there. Marcus was no Michael.
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@wissox In football BYU has the strongest pedigree of the 4 schools although the 3 AAC schools have all made and won NY6 bowls and obviously Cincy was the non P5 program to break through and make the playoffs. From an on field perspective, the drop-off from OU and UT to those 4 isn’t that much.
In basketball, Cincy and BYU have solid histories. Going into this season, Cincy is 11th in all time wins and BYU is 16th and I believe have the most tournament appearances without a Final Four. They were hurt by the move to the WCC from the MWC and should be a good program again pretty quickly in the B12. UCF basketball is the only turd of the group between the football and basketball programs of the 4 schools.
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The only benefit I see is Cincinnatti is a 4 hour drive from my house, maybe I could road trip it!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 atleast we can agree there is usually something about TV involved. And TV means $$. I may be wrong as I often am. But I actually believe 90 plus percent of realignment is $$ involved and thus TV involved
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Definitely a lot of folks saying we’re the clear cut number 1 overall based on the 15 quad 1 wins
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Yormark stated that we are for sure lookin at possible other Schools. Yomork say Basketball is UNDER VALUED in the latest rounds of TV right talks. Yormork hinted about separating it from football selling those rights uniquely when the Big Twelve hits the next open market 2030/31 Season
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Is that a good idea? This dude is doing a lot of free lancing. Scaring me. Idk!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Big12 strength:
Is that a good idea? This dude is doing a lot of free lancing. Scaring me. Idk!
Much more aggressive then our last commish.- who just let everyone pass us by. - -Not sure - sure is a gamble, we wshall see how that plays out when time comes. - One thing though I think in the immediate end we are going to see Gonzaga added for Basketball
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I think Yormark has better vision than the other conference heads. He’s come from a different background and operates differently-- and he seems to understand media markets and is in step with the interests of the networks and platforms.
If he’s thinking about separating football from basketball, he may understand that he can render more revenue by splitting a single product into a portfolio of products and sell them separately. That’s a move that could be transformative. First mover often has an advantage.
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Came across some highly unsettling news.
https://twitter.com/mizzouwrestling/status/1632612090274873344?s=46&t=PfvO214bW1XkHtm9eUlx9A
Did not realize we’d let them back in the door even if just for wrestling.
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@benshawks08 The Big12 has wrestling and allows Missouri to participate? Who knew? Weird.
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@dylans I knew they had wrestling. OSU is usually a pretty solid program nationally. Self mentions it from time to time as part of his upbringing talking about those guys as what real toughness is all about. Apparently, Mizzou rejoined the big 12 in 2021. Wish they hadn’t… Not sure KU has a wrestling team to even compete against them.
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@benshawks08 said in Big12 strength:
Came across some highly unsettling news.
https://twitter.com/mizzouwrestling/status/1632612090274873344?s=46&t=PfvO214bW1XkHtm9eUlx9A
Did not realize we’d let them back in the door even if just for wrestling.
Affiliate membership for Olympic sports is common when a conference doesn’t have enough member schools for that sport so schools from several conferences will join under the banner of a conference to compete. It’s not something unique to the Big 12 and Missouri isn’t the only SEC school to have an affiliate membership in the Big 12 for an Olympic sport.
For wrestling, Air Force, Cal Baptist, Missouri, Northern Colorado, Northern Iowa, North Dakota St., South Dakota St., Utah Valley, and Wyoming all have affiliate Big 12 membership.
Alabama and Tennessee are affiliate members for women’s rowing, and Denver and Fresno St. also have affiliate memberships in other sports as well.
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That was one of my many questions I had with so many new teams coming, water polo? Quite a few different sports.
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Report saying Big12 has reached out to Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah. Would be a power move for certain imo
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I thought the Big 12 was the basketball power league this year?
Now I see this…
Conference breakdown in NCAA Tourney
Multi-bid leagues: Big Ten (10), SEC (8), Big 12 (7), ACC (5), Big East (5), Pac-12 (3), Mountain West (3), American Athletic (2), West Coast (2).
I know the Big 10 and SEC has 14 teams. Still… what about SOS? If SOS counts… shouldn’t we have all 10 in?
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@drgnslayr we won the sec challenge
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@drgnslayr You could make a compelling case for all 10 teams from our league getting in. Oklahoma blasts Alabama. Tech beats 3 ranked B12 teams in last month of season. Those 3 games represent more games against ranked teams that 1 ranked Houston played all year. Tech played 13 ranked teams, Oklahoma even more, 14, which is more than any team in the country.
Seems strange to say but when fans of a team don’t support their team by buying tickets and it’s a huge SEC problem, why should that league be rewarded with large numbers of bids? I know that will never fly, but Bama didn’t sell out rivalry game with Auburn.
Heck I was at a HS game last night with 8000 other fans. No it wasn’t a state championship game or state tournament game. Like an elite 8 game and fans came out in droves to UIC to watch. Lots of good college teams can’t draw like that.
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This is the last year of the meat grinder. Adding in UCF, BYU, and Cincy could make things much easier. Houston will be tough, though. Maybe a few of those bubble teams make it next year with the easier sked.
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I’m not so sure our schedule with lighten up after a few years. All these teams are being promoted to a better league and it should make a big difference on their ability to recruit.
Like I said before… no school wants to stay at the bottom every year (even KU football)! lol
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The Big 12 is diminishing in quality, there’s really no doubt about it.
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@drgnslayr said in Big12 strength:
I’m not so sure our schedule with lighten up after a few years. All these teams are being promoted to a better league and it should make a big difference on their ability to recruit.
Like I said before… no school wants to stay at the bottom every year (even KU football)! lol
The schedule changes. No home and home for every team. We might have UCF at home, and that will be the only game we get with them. We’ll have 14 teams in the league next year, so it means we will only have home and home with 5 teams at the most. It’s still an 18 game conference schedule.
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Thanks for summing it up perfectly
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Yep… I hate the idea of not getting all teams home and away. This current conference shuffle SUCKS!
It will stay this way until college basketball is beat down to low viewing #s. Someday a marketing wonk will value regional games again and a full round robin and we will be back in business again. Someday teams like UCLA and USC will play west coast again.
Trading one of our current games for a game with UCF is a pretty good start to kill interest.
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@drgnslayr I hear ya! Bummed!
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@Crimsonorblue22 UCF might find a Mayjay & spouse attending some games over the years from our home in the KU desert known as SC.
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Does anyone know if the number one overall seed still gets to pick their location?
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Yes
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Who do I need to call to get the Helms foundation to award KU a title for 2020?
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@dylans said in Big12 strength:
Who do I need to call to get the Helms foundation to award KU a title for 2020?
PHOF!
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@dylans said in Big12 strength:
Does anyone know if the number one overall seed still gets to pick their location?
Yep.
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I think it will be better with a few watered down teams. I think it’s better to have couple of games you can win by 20 in conference to help get rest and minutes for young guys.
