NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?
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Thanks for the link.
I believe these formulas will change considerably as the outbreak continues.
These current formulas do not consider testing accuracy confidence data which come from a positive/negative control input (which is used to calculate testing accuracy).
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@drgnslayr It will probably have to run its course this time around before any reliable stat is finalized.
Lack of accurate testing is a big bugaboo. For all of our uncertainty about unreported cases where people got no med care, there have got to also be deaths in some locations that no one even associated with COVID-19. Someone already ill with pneumonia or other resp distress that just took a turn without any known contact with travellers, etc. I even wonder if the flu stats have been affected by misdiagnoses. Lots of misunderstandings were evident in news reports in Jan and Feb.
Someone on my cruise forum just posted a rant about this just being a news hype and saying it is not even a epidemic. 120,000 infected, 7 billion not. More of a chance to be hit by lightning. Claims to be a first responder.
I asked him if the extremely low chance of being hit by lightning meant he stands under tall trees or on open hilltops during thunderstorms, or if he takes reasonable precautions like a sane person would?
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@mayjay well my neighbor has been struck by lightening 4 times… some people never learn. His brother won’t stand near him during a storm. Others learn fast. Lol
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All the stats are necessary for scientific evaluation. But it’s being used as fuel for the fire of fear with the public.
Is that a good thing? On one hand, it stays in the short attention span of the public and may entice them to follow rules of social distancing, etc. On the other hand… it’s chasing off confidence in the stock market, creating supplies shortages, killing business in almost every sector.
We are struggling to survive two separate viruses; the coronavirus, and the juxtavirus of the coronavirus (public reaction).
We live in a time of “frenzy logic.” Science used to be something exercised behind closed doors and then only leaked to the public carefully. Today we have “science” from legit sources and questionable sources and often directly released to the public, who are untrained in science and easily taken advantage of by those with a specific motive. Science isn’t supposed to be a tool of motive. It’s a tool striving to limit bias. “Facts” are replaced with “levels of confidence.” Knowledge is building blocks, a stream of studies both supporting and not-supporting ideas. The goal is to take ideas (hypothesis) through a conversion into logic statements, building empirical data, injecting into mathematical formulas to reach conclusions within a structure of confidence levels. Results aren’t based on the way most minds work with analysis. We see what follows: misunderstanding, fear, misdirection, etc etc etc.
Look how quickly the public turns “science findings” into illogical decisions as they go from a feeling of safety to danger. Let’s look at TOILET PAPER consumption. We did not have a toilet paper shortage in America. We have enough… during calm times. Then we go into “frenzy logic.” The public no longer stays calm and the beast comes out. GO BUY TOILET PAPER! So you have that initial group of buyers who are completely without trust of others, buying up TP. Then you have the next group in… those hearing from the media that TP is flying off the shelves so they go stock up “just in time.” Then you have the victims… those who didn’t react and run out. I’m probably missing a group or two… like those hoping to profit over this by selling TP on the black market, or should I say “brown market.”
There was a reason why science used to be safely buffered from the public.
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@drgnslayr Much of those reactions are due to society, government, and business refusing to prepare for this. Heath officials and epidemiologists have warned of pandemics for years. Many have warned that disruptions from being unprepared will be catastrophic compared to prepping ahead of time and getting people conditioned to the necessity of coordinated responses that include restrictions on gatherings and movement.
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@drgnslayr TP is even funnier during forecasted snowstorms. At least this one could involve being quarantined for weeks. Snowstorms, not so much…
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Yes… It is tragic that we have to push people to react on social distancing, etc., while suffer catastrophic results in other areas because of the frenzy mentality.
There is no going back so we should continue giving info and hope some of it sticks…
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Maybe we shouldn’t be discussing these runs so much.
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At least toilet paper is decent insulation! Fill the room with TP, just leaving a squatting space in the center. hahahaaa… Kind of sounds like I know from experience! (not going to say)
(proper social distancing)
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New definition acquired after Coronavirus:
“Consumer confidence” = Standing in checkout line at the market and noticing the person in front of you with a shopping cart full of toilet paper. Then deciding that consumer looks like he/she knows something special so pull out of line to add more toilet paper to your cart.
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@drgnslayr said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
New definition acquired after Coronavirus:
“Consumer confidence” = Standing in checkout line at the market and noticing the person in front of you with a shopping cart full of toilet paper. Then deciding that consumer looks like he/she knows something special so pull out of line to add more toilet paper to your cart.
See like my neighbor said what the hell does toilet paper got to do with anything. - -You can’t fid any toilet paper ? - - Corona virus doesn’t give you instant Dirrea - kind of thinking so myself what the hell
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Been training for my first half marathon. It’s in 3 weeks. It’s also going to be my last. I ran 11.5 on Saturday which is my all time high. I’ll be beyond upset if they cancel.
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@wissox If they do, run it anyway. You won’t have to worry about catching anything from anyone. Or catching anyone.
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Just announced - NCAA recommends no fans at the NCAA tournament. As of now it’s it’s just Ohio ncaa games that will have no fans. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885087/governor-no-fans-ohio-ncaa-tournament-games
Re-listened I did hear right to first time. Mark Emmert says no fans at the NCAA tournament.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885422/ncaa-says-tournament-go-fans
Wow
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yep no fans for women or mens just came across TV & read article it’s all games
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I wish they’d do an Olympic village type setting - all games one venue. Then you could test enough people to fill that sucker a couple times over with sequestered, healthy people for the duration of the tourney.
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@dylans said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
I wish they’d do an Olympic village type setting - all games one venue. Then you could test enough people to fill that sucker a couple times over with sequestered, healthy people for the duration of the tourney.
So since there’s no point in playing the games in big domes, I move we play the whole thing at Allen. It’s reasonably sized and about halfway for everyone. And since there’s only 1 case in Kansas and it only kills old folks, just let the students in. Can’t hurt anything.
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NCAA tournament will be played without fans.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885422/ncaa-says-tournament-go-fans
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@dylans said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
I wish they’d do an Olympic village type setting - all games one venue. Then you could test enough people to fill that sucker a couple times over with sequestered, healthy people for the duration of the tourney.
I’m telling ya don’t have a heart attack - it could still very well happen where they cancel completely. - -People say they won’t cancel to big of money maker. - - Well if the fans aren’t allowed to be there then there goes at least half the revenue they make on the tourney - - don’t be surprised with the way this virus is going
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Imagine how it will be winning a title for the team that does in an empty arena.
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@kjayhawks said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
Imagine how it will be winning a title for the team that does in an empty arena.
kind of sucks huh.
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@kjayhawks said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
Imagine how it will be winning a title for the team that does in an empty arena.
“And both fans go wild!”
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I’m in minority on this but I think it’s being blown way outta proportion. Death totals for the flu in this country are nearing 50,000 right now for this winter. The coronavirus Death total is less than 10,000 world wide. One could very easily make the case that they never should have played the tournament during flu season.
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So much for the geographic fan advantage. Playing in Omaha might as well be Spokane, save the slight jet lag.
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Heard families will still be allowed in to watch…
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Are cheerleaders essential staff? If so I think we all have a case for admittance!
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We’ll see how much viewers like the sound of squeaking sneakers instead of the roar of the crowd.
Happened to watch a sumo tournament on the NHK Japanese channel the other day where the arena was empty due to the virus. You could actually hear the wrestlers breathing. Very weird.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
@dylans said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
I wish they’d do an Olympic village type setting - all games one venue. Then you could test enough people to fill that sucker a couple times over with sequestered, healthy people for the duration of the tourney.
So since there’s no point in playing the games in big domes, I move we play the whole thing at Allen. It’s reasonably sized and about halfway for everyone. And since there’s only 1 case in Kansas and it only kills old folks, just let the students in. Can’t hurt anything.
I always think the tournament should be held on the favorites home court. Imagine the Allen Fieldhouse crowd cheering on a Final Four game in Lawrence! Rocket sauce
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“Based on their advice and my discussions with the NCAA Board of Governors, I have made the decision to conduct our upcoming championship events, including the Division I men’s and women’s basketball tournaments, with only essential staff and limited family attendance.”
LIMITED FAMILY ATTENDANCE! We’re okay. The Jayhawk Nation is all family!
Question now… We lose our huge fan base wherever they play but will it really be a disadvantage for us? We always get the rest of the crowd against us from the other schools since we are favorites.
Isn’t this the time to have that “chip” kick in totally now that the nerves will be gone?
Might Doke now shoot FTs like he does in practice?
These games will be surreal and so will it be to watch them.
Will the bench (coaches) be on a microphone?
The NCAA could pay a production company to fill in the soundtrack with crowd roar. Won’t be the first time in sports…
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@kjayhawks It will be like any game that Oklahoma State wins at home.
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@benshawks08 said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
Heard families will still be allowed in to watch…
@benshawks08 The article said “essential staff and limited family attendance.” I’m guessing that means the players’ Moms and Dads only.
@dylans Cheerleaders SHOULD be!
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I can’t wait to hear every word Self yells, the refs probably aren’t as eager.
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SO - does this mean we will actually get to watch the games on TV or will they pull some Pay-Per-View garbage on us ?
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Guess I will have to break the social distancing rules by throwing a huge party and pack my living room elbow to elbow.
Coughing and sneezing allowed only at halftime.
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Gotta be an NCAA conspiracy against KU.
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They’ve got to make up for a lot of lost income. My bet is pay-per-view.
Don’t sweat it… you are officially invited to my party! $1 a head should more than cover the cost.
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@drgnslayr Count me in, brother.
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Think I will see if we can rent AFH for every game.
We will fill it!
Everyone sign a silly waiver and let’s get it on!!!
We’ll have Self bring speakers to each game and we will send a live audio feed for crowd noise!!!
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@drgnslayr You know, that’s really a good idea.
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I’m in!
Anyone else?
Let’s do this! Seriously! There is no law stating we can’t gather.
We will follow the rules above and we will have a safe gathering!
Done!
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@drgnslayr Keep me posted!
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I bet the NCAA’s revenue is partially insured. TV is the bigger deal than ticket revenue. Would be a royal dick move to tell fans A) they can’t go and
they have to pay additional funds to watch
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@dylans said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
Gotta be an NCAA conspiracy against KU.
Jaybate would have ran articles about this months ago
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What a way to get our name remembered for forever. Winning the C19 NCAA national championship
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@dylans I’ve always said at least first 2 rounds should be held at home for the higher seed. That will never happen tho, there’d never a lot less upsets. UNI, Bucknell, Stanford or Bradley ain’t winning in AFH.
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Seems to me quarantining the elders would be smart, everyone else wash hands and use your head.
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Maybe the Big12 should ban fans at the tournament too. Not for COVID-19, but to get ready for an NCAA tournament played that way.
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@dylans yep get used to it then
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Jesus Garrett is hurt again, again
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@kjayhawks said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
Seems to me quarantining the elders would be smart, everyone else wash hands and use your head.
A close friend of mines Daughter - - 17 yrs old was just admitted and being test for the virus running culture scopes already pneumonia waiting for results to come back
