Big 12 Suspensions
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@dylans Oh great, I agree with Bilas again. Thanks for posting that though!
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@DanR crazy that a Dukie has the most level headed take. Of course not all of them did, but Bilas isn’t too terrible.
I like him most nights; can’t stand him other nights. 
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I’ve been looking this morning for some form of apology from James Love III of K-State. I would think that would be appropriate. Is there one out there?
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Excellent article by Bilas!
Three, two, one…waiting for a particular head to explode…
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Doke did it once, once! Now,
think self had something to do w/that! Jeez! These kids have been great. Anybody listen to hawk talk? Some of you try to find fault.Well, and some discount the power and influence of a coach. Some try not to find the “why”. Some seek to simply and think that negative stuff happens in a vacuum. When conduct is prohibited and there are real penalties – when a coach understands where stuff like that can lead – it can have a great impact on whether the conduct occurs. Poor sportsmanship and conduct have been tolerated in my view. Others may disagree.
This is one of those, “See what can happen when you don’t have strict rules” situations.
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Bilas is really a voice of reason on this and it’s well thought out. Perhaps the best statement I’ve seen anywhere on this entire deal. Vitale calling it “criminal” was laughable.
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@HighEliteMajor I agree that this is good from Bilas. The only argument I’d really have with it is that the K-State kid who initiated the actual fight portion of the incident should have 12 games as well but since it’s starting after he is medically cleared to play maybe it will be close to that.
I’ve also definitely been guilty of the “kids” stuff. I tend to do that because of the research that’s come out around the brain and particularly the development of the pre-frontal cortex (long term thinking/decision making center) in boys/men. You’ve called me out on this before and the more I think about it the more I think you (and Bilas) are right on this. Accountability is good and calling players kids can work to excuse their actions and ultimately remove their overall agency in the system.
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BeddieKU23 said:
At least there was a Statement. Haven’t seen a peep from the Kansas St coaches or players. Where’s their accountability?
This is definitely Strike #2 since he’s been here. Strike 1 you can debate how much is his fault, Strike 2 you can’t.
The chair photo will always be there. Definitely a black eye to the program.
Where was the accountability from K-St’s assistants to stop the players on the bench from engaging Silvio? Silvio made a bad choice (standing over, taunting) and followed it with more bad choices. Hard to pin that on Self but I suppose you can if you want. Self did get in the melee and try and stop him. He wasn’t absent once it got out of hand.
A 12 game suspension should be sufficient deterrent to this kind of acts. We have no idea what he’s said to the guys behind closed doors regarding taunting, etc.
This is why I’m still worried about the game @ Kstate. Their players, coaches and fans are seeing that outside of 2 players there are no consequences for an entire team attacking a player for taunting. There doesn’t appear to be any remorse or reflection from that program into their part in the craziness.
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If there’s a similar incident in Manhattan, this will be the last basketball game I watch. If I want to watch boxing or MMA, I’ll watch boxing or MMA.
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Well , I know already that this is more likely then not , not the best way to be taking these suspensions I get that , so no need for anyone to find the time to tell me. I realize shouldn’t look at them like this BUT:
Seeing as how these suspensions have become a reality , and there is nothing that can be done about them , then might as well stand back and reflect how this will effect the team. How will we approach./ attack
So if you stand back and look at things with Silvio , you have to look in reality his suspension really shouldn’t effect us that much because his playing time was almost non factor anyways, really not much production at this time anyways on either end. What was his minutes around 5 ? - -So not having him really is not a change from where we were at before the Suspension. - As Far as Dave , most on here has made it clear that you think we are better with the 4-1 anyways right ? - I agree just more fluid, yet Coach was still STARTING him but how long has he been in after the start ? - Coach usually pulls him by the 1`st TV timeout and were running with the 4-1 right ? - - So with him being suspended for 2 games just means we start the game running with 4-1 really not much of a change there then anyways. - The only thing is , we won’t have him to break Doke and gonna be a Challenge for those 2 games if Doke gets in foul trouble Gonna miss some rebounding for those 2 games. - -Considering who we play for these 2 games Dave is out I think we can survive. Tennessee & Okie State right ?
All I’m saying is and not trying to make light of a bad situation/suspensions is that in the overall grand scheme of things that actually it really shouldn’t effect us with the outcome of these games anyways all thing considered. Now would of been a much different story I think if Garrett would of been suspended because he plays a much bigger part in every phase of play it could of had some effect - - just my thoughts. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@nuleafjhawk I don’t think there will be a similar incident but I do worry that fans will take things too far. I would not attend that game as a Kansas fan. I’m biased because I view their fans as borderline inappropriate just about every time we play there and this is just going to add fuel to that fire. Add to that the school/program/coaches doing nothing to dampen that fire and I just get a bad feeling.
The most likely outcome is a normal game with some inappropriate fan comments/chants and signs and nothing more.
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benshawks08 said:
@nuleafjhawk I don’t think there will be a similar incident but I do worry that fans will take things too far. I would not attend that game as a Kansas fan. I’m biased because I view their fans as borderline inappropriate just about every time we play there and this is just going to add fuel to that fire. Add to that the school/program/coaches doing nothing to dampen that fire and I just get a bad feeling.
The most likely outcome is a normal game with some inappropriate fan comments/chants and signs and nothing more.
YA I wouldn’t be going. I am sure there is gonna be some things that are going to make things very tense.
I would be willing to bet there will be extra Security , I got a feeling this will be a real foul fest even if it is warranted or not. - The officials are gonna call this game so tight as to not let things get out offhand. Cause I could just see the 1st HARD foul intentional or not things could very easily get out of hands. - - ROCK CHALK ALLDAY LONG BABY
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@benshawks08 The KSU fans are without question over the line, chanting F bombs on national TV so I have to mute it. The group that dressed up as monkeys and threw bananas at the court when we first started playing African Americans. When I was in highschool they got in trouble for hang chickens from the rafters by their neck and sacrificing chickens in the parking lot pregame. Not to mention spitting and throwing stuff at our players, assaulting a player after the game. What else can they do besides bring in a gun??
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@HighEliteMajor Its really not surprising they haven’t released anything. Same administration and fan base that doesn’t take ownership of any loss, it’s always someone cheated or the refs. I’d be shocked if in their eyes they believe they did any wrong. I’ve been involved with basketball for over 25 years as I’ve never seen a team call off the dogs with two minutes to go, put in multiple walk ons and get the hell fouled outta them, full court pressed with starters still in.
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@jayballer73 You seem to frequent other teams fan sites. I’m curious if you have explored what the KSU fans are saying about this.
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kjayhawks said:
@benshawks08 The KSU fans are without question over the line, chanting F bombs on national TV so I have to mute it. The group that dressed up as monkeys and threw bananas at the court when we first started playing African Americans. When I was in highschool they got in trouble for hang chickens from the rafters by their neck and sacrificing chickens in the parking lot pregame. Not to mention spitting and throwing stuff at our players, assaulting a player after the game. What else can they do besides bring in a gun??
One of my high school buddies, now just Facebook friends, said after the fight, via Facebook, “Oh baby I want to fight a KU fan now!” There’s a trashy culture problem in that town
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@rockchalkwyo I have a friend that was jumped at a game in Methattan. It was about 15 years ago when they were still really bad. Place was 3/4s empty after a convincing KU win and my buddy was attacked in the bathroom. He’s a very quiet and I’ve never seen him get too fired up at anything including a KU game. So it ls hard for me to believe it was anything but random meth heads.
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@kjayhawks that’s so sad. I was jumped also in Manhattan. I lived there from 2008-2011. I was 21 leaving aggieville and walking home. A brand new black Escalade pulled up and out came 5 huge ass men. They messed my friend up pretty bad and broke open my head. Luckily a cop pulled up and separated it. I was drunk so I didn’t know the correct protocol on how to handle it. Once we got home, a quick 10 minutes later, we called the cops. The cops came over and said that WE are the lucky ones for not being charged and there’s nothing that they can do.
The next day when I had my head on straight I knew something was messed up. So I looked up pictures of the KSU basketball team and guess what. It was them!!! God damn I hate them. They are trash at the highest purity.
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Hawk8086 said:
@jayballer73 You seem to frequent other teams fan sites. I’m curious if you have explored what the KSU fans are saying about this.
really not much other then what you would think they would be saying. such as " KU has so many trashy players , no wonder that school is looked at the way it does " - -OR " Wonder if Self pays DeSousa or not Pay DeSousa while on his suspension " - - " KU is just THUG U " - and ya da - - ya da - -ya da pretty typical. Talking about how if it would of been them they would of done the exact same thing stealing the ball typical BS
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Got a beer bottle thrown at me in Aggieville once just for wearing a blue (not even KU!) shirt. Good times all around.
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I have heard a lot of opinions about the incident. Here is mine. There are no fights, no suspensions, or even any hard feelings, if a punk named Gordon does not pull a bush league play while Silvio is running out the clock. I am sure Self has drilled it into the Jayhawk players to never run up the score or needlessly embarrass the opposing team. Remember the BGreene dunk? Squeaky said he told his players to stand down in the last few seconds. He is either a liar or his players pay no attention to him. Remember the Monmouth game earlier this season when another punk pulled a bush league play against Tristan dribbling out the last few seconds of a 110-55 blow out? I believe just maybe the Jayhawks are real tired of bush league punks coming into Allen Fieldhouse and after getting their asses kicked all over the floor for 40 minutes, they think they are getting the last laugh by being a punk. Bottom line is this: the punk Gordon is the one and only culprit in this melee.
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@rockchalkwyo @FarmerJayhawk Aggieville is trash if you ask me, too many idiots especially if anything is going on out at fort Riley. Hundreds of army dudes that want to get hammered and start fights. I’m lucky I’m just big enough at 6’2 230 (I’m getting fat lol) not a ton people looking for trouble come my way.
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I’d bet large sums of money if by chance they beat us in that shit hole there is a fight between their fans and our players.
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Right all the army guys want to do is get drunk and start fights. Sure. Great info.
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HighEliteMajor said:
I just don’t want to see him play here again. My opinion. I know that most probably disagree. This isn’t a felony, or a crime against humanity, he didn’t hurt anyone – I get that. He stood over a guy, then got caught up in the melee I which he was an active participant (I’m always good with someone defending themselves; he was more active than that. He pursued too), then inexplicably picked up a chair over his head as if he was going to use it. That’s what this was. The worst part is the reflection on our program.
This was too much for me, coupled with what his recruitment has brought to us. I’d like to see him play elsewhere next season and transfer. A fresh start for him, too. Hopefully, as with many folks that make mistakes, they learn and are better for it. I bet that’s the case here.
Is he going to graduate this year where he could transfer out and play elsewhere immediately? I just can’t see him sitting out another year for any reason. I feel its grad transfer, play for KU, or go pro.
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@HighEliteMajor not all but most, especially the pissed off 18 year olds just outta basic. I have a friend that’s a county sheriffs deputy up there and he says the crime over doubles when that place is full.
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@Hawk8086 I read some stuff on Bring on the Cats and got some laughs. Apparently because Weber told them to back off in the final seconds, according to Bruce himself. They get a pass for pressing and fouling hard the last TWO MINUTES, NOT SECONDS. Also apparently Silivio threw the chair at a KSU player according to them and for some reason no one mentioned Love actually starting the physical fight. Also Bruce wasn’t at mid court like he claimed apparently he was in the middle pulling guys out like Self and Co, their are just very sneaky lol.
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TMCats is over there talking trash, too.
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kjayhawks said:
@Hawk8086 I read some stuff on Bring on the Cats and got some laughs. Apparently because Weber told them to back off in the final seconds, according to Bruce himself. They get a pass for pressing and fouling hard the last TWO MINUTES, NOT SECONDS. Also apparently Silivio threw the chair at a KSU player according to them and for some reason no one mentioned Love actually starting the physical fight. Also Bruce wasn’t at mid court like he claimed apparently he was in the middle pulling guys out like Self and Co, their are just very sneaky lol.
Ya I heard the Weber weekly talk, he said he didn’t see anything , and didn’t even know what was going on - - he was on his way to shake Bill’s hand and then seen Bill and our Assistants running the other way. He said then He , ( Weber went and tackled Gordan ( Hell Weber couldn’t tackle a limp noodle ).
Then he say Gordan didn’t do anything wrong , talking about Gordon stealing the ball. He talked about how Gordon was taking things really hard , saying he was getting all this hate mail - - I’m sure. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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kjayhawks said:
Also Bruce wasn’t at mid court like he claimed apparently he was in the middle pulling guys out like Self and Co, their are just very sneaky lol.
More on the peripheral
Squeaky makes it a step further in. (Still rotating pictures and I can’t figure out how to straighten it)
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I have no issue with Weber’s role in the brawl. That picture shows him straining hard trying to hold that hidden guy back. As I described before, he ushered that guy and Love out that exit immediately after Love ducked away from the fight. By doing that quickly, Weber might have actually helped prevent fans from trying to retaliate or provoke Love if they saw him leaving.
Now, everyone knows I cannot abide Squeaky, but I can’t fault him for not diving deeply into the scrum–enough people were doing that.
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The tall guy in the black suit did what Weber should’ve been doing! Imo
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I would say that we got very lucky. Who knows, this team might now be on a mission - D-ing up, boxing out, rebounding, hitting wide open threes and the like. This could be a galvanizing thing for the team.
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@jayballer73 @kjayhawks That figures. One -sided and ignoring their part in the whole thing.
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@mayjay Very true what he did wasn’t bad. He grabbed Gordon on the peripheral of the fight and held him back. However, Bill from the other side of the court had run into the middle of the scrum and had both Silvio and McCormack by the jersey effectively ending the fight.
What no one sees in this is in the pre-game warmups the entire KU team is on the KSU side - some sit on the bench most are shooting; the entire KSU team is on the KU side doing the same except one player. Love was on the side the KU players were on, talking crap the whole time. Ironically next to a gal in an #unhandme shirt.
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@dylans Imagine that, lol
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I totally forgot Saturday is College Gameday in Lawrence…
The timing of this fight couldn’t have been worse lol. It’s going to be all they talk about in the lead up to our game.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I totally forgot Saturday is College Gameday in Lawrence…
The timing of this fight couldn’t have been worse lol. It’s going to be all they talk about in the lead up to our game.
Who wants to bet they show the still of Silvio holding the chair that he never ends up swinging?
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Dick Vitale has doubled down on his position that Silvio should be banned for the season. Hopefully that means he is so disappointed/disgusted in KU he never announces another one of our games!!!
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I guess fran said he thinks Self leaves for nba.
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I pretty much agree with the Jay Bilas response. My exception is that the refs should step in and stop a last second steal. Yes, that would have stopped this event but it is an overreach for several reasons. First… it is a slippery slope and before you know it, refs may be getting involved in outcomes that are still marginally known outcomes. Second… we have the gambling lines and I know gamblers don’t want refs to be anywhere involved in what the final score will be.
Thinking back to the brawl… there was no bad blood all through the game. Nothing. You couldn’t even tell this was a rival game. So it is clear that the players weren’t really holding much hatred/anger inside before the event took place. Knowing that… the brawl was really a “perfect storm” in how it escalated to such a crazy level so quickly. The steal was the first taunt. The Silvio stand over was the second taunt. And then it went straight downhill. I’m thinking the real gas on this fire came from players on both sides who were holding built up anxiety completely unrelated to players on the other team. With Silvio, it is clear he hasn’t had the year anyone expected, including him, and he has received plenty of criticism based on crushed expectations. Love seems to have frustration about his situation and injury. Gordon… ? And Big Mac might have some frustration, too. He must feel like he has added pressure to his game or he will get pulled for a 4-guard lineup.
All these factors seemed to fuel the “perfect storm.”
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@drgnslayr big Dave standing up for his brother. Same for Marcus.
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@drgnslayr Add in the facts that it happened with the clock seeming to expire and on KSU’s end of the court. Pretty sure Silvio would have still blocked it (and taunted) if it happened with 20 seconds left, but there’s no way the KSU bench players run out there with time still on the clock or if it had happened all the way on the other end of the floor. Who knows for sure.
It also didn’t really help that Fran acted like he was calling the Hindenburg disaster while it was going on. Oh, the humanity.
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With the chair as the lasting image from this event it may not be up to Self whether Silvio is on the roster after this season.
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Lost in the Sauce:
Illinois Alan Griffin gets suspended two games for stepping on the chest of a Purdue player during their game Tuesday.
Something was in the water on Tuesday.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I totally forgot Saturday is College Gameday in Lawrence…
The timing of this fight couldn’t have been worse lol. It’s going to be all they talk about in the lead up to our game.
I’ll bet that the next KU/K-State game won’t be shown on ESPN+… Ka-Ching! “Hey, do you want to air a commercial during the next KU/K-State game? Remember, they had that big fight last time. Everybody will be watching!”
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Kcmatt7 said:
I totally forgot Saturday is College Gameday in Lawrence…
The timing of this fight couldn’t have been worse lol. It’s going to be all they talk about in the lead up to our game.
Oh you know I would almost bet that will be their opening commentary and w will have to go all through the whole dam scenario all over again. Then they will talk about how KU has been Centerstage with not such good thing as of late - - per the NCAA Scandal among other things you can take it to the bank – I mean it’s ESPN - - THEY SUCK oh hell I’ve already said that lol.
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dylans said:
Dick Vitale has doubled down on his position that Silvio should be banned for the season. Hopefully that means he is so disappointed/disgusted in KU he never announces another one of our games!!!
lol , hell there is a better chance of me becoming the Pope tomorrow then Dicky not broadcasting another KU game lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Self is already hearing a loud message from the student body and administration: CLEAN UP BASKETBALL!
But I will hand it to Self and he has always been a players’ coach and he will stand up for Silvio if he believes Silvio will reform. JMO
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And then there is Big Dave.
I feel like his saving grace was the lack of video footage on his feet during the fight. It sure looked like he may have got in some kicks, though it is also possible he was shuffling because there was a Wildcat at his feet. Who knows…
I do know that if a camera was down low and showed Big Dave kicking, his suspension would have been much higher, as well it should.
