RIP Jalen Wilson
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HighEliteMajor said:
@mayjay - Nope, sorry. He said, “If he turns pro first, then KU wouldn’t need to apply for the medical redshirt so it’d be a moot point.”
My example holds. It’s not moot because if he leaves early then a if he sits out this season he loses games. You’re not following and you make the same mistake he did. You ignore the fact that Wilson loses games of the decision is made to sit him out this season (which is the redshirt decision). If we play him he can’t redshirt.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn’t change the context of your post.
Tell me, then, if the decision is made to sit him now and not play him (thus the redshirt approach), how is it moot if he loses those games he could have played this season?
The decision has to be made now. Because if you don’t sit him now, you can’t have a redshirt. See … it’s not moot then or now.
Thanks for proving my point that you take people’s comments out of context to create your own narrative. My narrative this entire time has been that if Jalen Wilson left KU early to turn pro, it doesn’t matter if he played this year or not because the redshirt issue would never come up for debate. There would be no “what if’s” about Jalen in 2023-24 because he would already be gone from KU.
If Jalen plays this year and gets to 2023-24, there will always be “what if’s” about sitting Jalen this year.
Been my point the entire time, but keep claiming I’m making some other point when my statements have been the same this entire debate.
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The decision has to be made NOW, not later. By holding him out. That decision costs games. That is the decision. Regardless of when the technical redshirt is granted.
If he leaves early, the decision to redshirt … by not playing him … is not moot.
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Good thing it’s jalens w/his parents and coach’s decision. I’m sure the dr/trainer is helpful too
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One thing I might say , I’m not so sure Jalen will be leaving early. Might very well be that 4 year player. Something that will have to play it’self out I know - -I’m just not really that sure , think he gonna have to have some really good yrs ahead. - -So that’s yet to be determined
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I think this whole debate is moo. It’s like a cows opinion. It doesn’t matter.
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Glad we solved that!
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benshawks08 said:
I think this whole debate is moo. It’s like a cows opinion. It doesn’t matter.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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jayballer73 said:
benshawks08 said:
I think this whole debate is moo. It’s like a cows opinion. It doesn’t matter.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Oink
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@benshawks08
I have no beef with that. You are right–this is a bunch of bull, udder nonsense in fact. Can you steer us somewhere better? Just steak out a position and let us know.Sorry for milking this so much. I herd that people hate puns but I won’t be cowed.
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@Crimsonorblue22 just take it by the horns
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Just one big cow pattie!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Hay–how ya doin’? Getting far afield, aren’t we?
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@Crimsonorblue22 You can run but not hide!
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@mayjay time to pen this up and hit the hay!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Hope nobody pulls a calf before it’s over!
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@FarmerJayhawk ewww me either, seen it before, close enough.
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You guys are milking this for all its worth.
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Well, I guess I throw out too much bull-sh**. I seem to have butchered this one. No one was amoosed. My apologies. Time to hide for a while.
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The only reason for Wilson to redshirt would be if he is still not ready to go come mid-February. If able to go I think that he will contribute in a variety of ways, like at the 4 rebounding the ball and getting put backs, even stepping out for the occasional three. If able to play coach will play him.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@Crimsonorblue22 Hope nobody pulls a calf before it’s over!
Well I didn’t pull one, but I did have to warm a calf up on my floorboard this week. Little dude got to cruise the country side for 5 hours before finally coming g back to life. (Pretty neat when they live). No pun here sorry.
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@dylans You and Billy Crystal! Congrats! Did you name him Norman?
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@mayjay lol I named him after his momma - 417.
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@dylans Much more satisfying than trying to educate K State farmers, I would guess!
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@mayjay lol smarter subjects.
Gotta stay busy in the winter, I’d hate to have some time off.
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@dylans ahhhh! Maybe @HighEliteMajor could hide out there around your place? No inner city violence there either. He could pull some calves and milk some cows. Etc, farm chores.
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https://twitter.com/dodo/status/1213943253428404224?s=21
He wanted to go! At least we are not this bad! I’m not, well maybe w/my dog?🥴
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Self reports Wilson doing more but not a full practice participant.
They expect to make a decision within 2 weeks on his season.
Jalen says he wants to play if healthy, family supportive.
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It would have been interesting to see where he might be in his development without the injury.
Can he help this team at this point? I’m struggling to see where both from a chemistry and performance standpoint. We’ll have to see where they go with this one…
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Jalen makes a nice quick-twitch cut and run to catch a pass in this video. Coach puts some zip on the ball, too!
Nice to see the team having some fun. Hopefully it will bring out some of that ‘personality’ Coach feels is lacking a bit on the court.
https://www.facebook.com/KansasBasketball/videos/785298881969182/
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BeddieKU23 said:
It would have been interesting to see where he might be in his development without the injury.
Can he help this team at this point? I’m struggling to see where both from a chemistry and performance standpoint. We’ll have to see where they go with this one…
Well Enaruna has become unplayable for Bill and while Jalen didn’t look the best early if he is going to be played at the 4, guarding a wing or even a post player and can help space the floor that is at least intriguing.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
It would have been interesting to see where he might be in his development without the injury.
Can he help this team at this point? I’m struggling to see where both from a chemistry and performance standpoint. We’ll have to see where they go with this one…
Well Enaruna has become unplayable for Bill and while Jalen didn’t look the best early if he is going to be played at the 4, guarding a wing or even a post player and can help space the floor that is at least intriguing.
It sounds good, I really wish he was the type of talent you just rush in to try and see what he has but I dont think that’s the case with how Self runs his offense and his expectations on defense. I have always been extremely high on Wilson and I dont want to see him transfer away at any cost. If he could really add some meaningful minutes to perimeter scoring while also defending at a level like Moss I’m all for it.
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Lace your chucks young man. Your up
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BeddieKU23 said:
Lace your chucks young man. Your up
is he physically ready ?
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Lace your chucks young man. Your up
is he physically ready ?
Nope but this changes everything now. KU may have 7 eligible players for the foreseeable future. There’s an opportunity if he can get healthy.
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Some talking about Marcus and suspension . What did I miss , did he throw a punch? - I’ve heard some say he was pushing BUT just trying to separate people. - -Anyone? what did anyone else see with Marcus.
Actually after watching other angles it actually looks like the juco point guard for K-State , is actually the guy that throws the 1st punch. - As far as Silvio several saying they think his days at KU are over. Some saying they would be surprised if he was on the KU roster at the end of the day.
The big thing here is even with what Bill thinks, this is now over his head. - Like has been stated this has now become an administration decision. - The AD decision - - the Conference decision , I think Long trying to save face for KU - -hell Chancellor may be involved saying face for KU. - This is where Silvio being told to pack it up comes into effect. - We got enough issues going on with the NCAA at this point , thinking maybe we don’t need any extra fire. - nothing will surprise me at this point.
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Marcus was in the corner doing something to I believe James Love. Dave was also in that corner. It wasn’t all on the up and up. If I was reviewing tape, I think it would be debatable on him getting a 1 game suspension.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Marcus was in the corner doing something to I believe James Love. Dave was also in that corner. It wasn’t all on the up and up. If I was reviewing tape, I think it would be debatable on him getting a 1 game suspension.
that’s just lovely. it was just a really ugly situation
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Marcus was in the corner doing something to I believe James Love. Dave was also in that corner. It wasn’t all on the up and up. If I was reviewing tape, I think it would be debatable on him getting a 1 game suspension.
that’s just lovely. it was just a really ugly situation
If you focus on Marcus he definitely wasn’t innocent.
Simultaneously Dave comes in and makes it worse. One view looked like he threw a punch.
Ochai straight up pushed James Love and launched him, Marcus & Dave followed him after with Silvio.
Dave & Silvio were out of control that much is known
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I will be shocked if Marcus is suspended but I’ve been shocked before. Maybe Ochai and Marcus get a single game. I’m finding it hard to be outraged over this though. Yes it was a big pile of stupid but just suspend guys (on both teams) and move on.
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Just saw another replay focusing on the Marcus/Dave in the corner and it doesn’t appear Marcus did anything. At the end he starts boxing out
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I was looking and looking could very well just missing it. I just don’t see Marcus doing anything either, but could be wrong for sure.
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I’ve watched a bunch of different angles and you can’t see the punch Garrett threw in any of them. But he definitely did, down against the wall in the scrum.
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BShark said:
I will be shocked if Marcus is suspended but I’ve been shocked before. Maybe Ochai and Marcus get a single game. I’m finding it hard to be outraged over this though. Yes it was a big pile of stupid but just suspend guys (on both teams) and move on.
Not outraged? I guess this is all within the realm of reasonableness.
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If Marcus were to be suspended then there is going to be a hell of a lot of suspensions. He didn’t do anything. At the very end he shoved #34 but it was a get the F out of my face shove and not violent at all.
There are way too many hot takes firing out about this.
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Bruce looked like he was drugged in post game!
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@HighEliteMajor Again with extremes. There are many levels of reaction between “that is reasonable” and “I am outraged!”
Being upset without being mad is one possibility. I am upset, but not so much it ruins my day. I save outrage for things that are far more threatening to life, limb, loved ones, and safety.
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@Woodrow Marcus was blocking guys off the bench player on the floor. Love then slithered off. IMO, the main instigator.
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mayjay said:
@HighEliteMajor Again with extremes. There are many levels of reaction between “that is reasonable” and “I am outraged!”
Being upset without being mad is one possibility. I am upset, but not so much it ruins my day. I save outrage for things that are far more threatening to life, limb, loved ones, and safety.
Something like this. I’m disappointed but at the end of the day no one was hurt and punishments will be meted out. Silvio deserves a long one for his part in it. I’d say at least 5 games.
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BShark said:
I will be shocked if Marcus is suspended but I’ve been shocked before. Maybe Ochai and Marcus get a single game. I’m finding it hard to be outraged over this though. Yes it was a big pile of stupid but just suspend guys (on both teams) and move on.
I’m kinda the same on this. I’m surprised this stuff doesn’t happen more often. The kids screwed up, that’s what kids do, that’s what adults do. Not justifying it at all, they need to pay the price. But it’s much more of a story if we talk about how ridiculous it is. But I don’t think it’s that ridiculous. Putting myself in these kids’ shoes, I can’t sit here and say I would’ve done anything differently. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s not ridiculous to me. Mike Tyson biting an ear or Artest going into the stands. That fits the bill for ridiculous.
