Stanford Cardinals - Sunday - 2pm - ABC
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@dylans I’d be okay with EE or obviously FF with this team. Not expecting a title at all, just don’t have the offensive capability. It’s a shame with Dotson 99.9% to leave, I think JR or SR Dotson could easily (it’s relative) win a title.
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Ah what dreams to think of an elder Devon on this team. No reality, bummer
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Chiefs start at noon on CBS and their game should be over at 3:20.
KU start at 2:00 pm. Will those in Kansas City turn off the chiefs or DVR the The Jayhawks. Click (watch on youtube)
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@wrwlumpy chief fans won’t turn off their game.
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Weird playing on sunday
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Garrett will probably play Sunday if he continues to improve. Only about 75%.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Weird playing on sunday
Ya , I just saw that , hadn’t realized it was on Sunday. - -Just kind of rained on my parade dam lol. - -well now what to do Tomorrow ? - - Gonna be fun Sunday as my Jay Hawks play , & I have to watch my Packers play too - -we still have the chance for home filed advantage throughout the NFL playoffs - -currently the # 2 seed. I just hope we come out really focused against Stanford we NEED a solid outing against a quality opponent.
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@jayballer73 Well, there are the football playoffs tomorrow, and some other weird things called “bowl games.” I know for us football in late December is a once-every-2-decades-or-so thing, but it is actually somewhat important to much of the American sports world! Try it, you might like it! And they even have 3 pt plays!
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mayjay said:
@jayballer73 Well, there are the football playoffs tomorrow, and some other weird things called “bowl games.” I know for us football in late December is a once-every-2-decades-or-so thing, but it is actually somewhat important to much of the American sports world! Try it, you might like it! And they even have 3 pt plays!
Oh wise guy hay lol. - - - - - why can’t I like FOOTBALL & BASKETBALL lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Garrett’s injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says it’s no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
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BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett’s injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says it’s no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
Also sounds like the plan is for him to start Sunday.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett’s injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says it’s no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
This isn’t a high ankle sprain so it is a different type of injury. The problem with the type of ankle sprain he has now is that it will limit his lateral mobility which will affect his defense and his driving ability.
It’s not the same injury, but it will have a very similar effect as his high ankle sprain last year. This is also the type of ankle sprain that is much easier to reaggravate because it’s weak right now so this will likely be a season long issue for Garrett.
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Too early to tell. I doubt he would play this weekend if they thought the injury was severe enough to cost him and his team a starter going forward. Ankle injuries are never good for guards but hopefully this one is nothing more then a minor blip
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@Crimsonorblue22 We have the technology - we will DVR one or the other.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Too early to tell. I doubt he would play this weekend if they thought the injury was severe enough to cost him and his team a starter going forward. Ankle injuries are never good for guards but hopefully this one is nothing more then a minor blip
As someone who lost out on athletic scholarships due to a recurring ankle sprain my senior year in high school, this isn’t an injury where giving where giving Garrett a couple of weeks off will help it. He’s going to be dealing with this for the rest of the year.
He will either lose agility because of how much his ankle will be taped up to reduce the risk of reinjury, or he’ll play without heavily taping his ankle and to try and keep his agility as high as possible and run the risk of tweaking it in practice or a game.
To this day, I still can’t run more than about half a mile before my ankle starts to swell up on me because of how many times I sprained it in high school playing football.
There’s a saying that a sprain is worse than a break because a break heals clean. Sprains never 100% heal because it damages the ligaments in whatever joint is sprained and makes that joint more susceptible to to reinjury.
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People heal differently. I experienced ankle injuries playing in HS and College as well and each was different in how much it impacted movement and health after. If they say this injury isnt significant compared to last seasons then we will see for ourselves how much impact it has on him not only this weekend but going forward. The difference between you, me and Garrett is having the resources of the KU Medical staff. Hopefully for the sake of fans and the team it’s an injury that doesnt have a significant impact on the season
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Repetitive strains 35 to 45 years ago still affect me. I sprained my ankles so many times in hs, college, and later that I lost track when it went over 20. Now, I roll my ankle and it hurts for about 30 seconds and then I can keep walking. The ligaments are so loose that they don’t get stretched any more.
It also has resulted in my inability to balance on one foot well–I have to lean against the shower wall to wash each foot. I cannot ice skate because of no strength in my ankles, and I can’t turn my feet in enough to ski in a straight line to go downhill. My splay feet enable me to zoom uphill in cross-country skiing though!
I know, boo hoo for me. It is really my own damned fault since I only saw a doctor for my sprains once. I wish I had had more sense about getting treatment and staying off them while they were healing. It is an absolute lie to say they cannot be injured further by playing on a sprain–might be more accurate to say it will be taped so completely as to prevent further rolling. (And watch out for injuring the healthy one while playing on a heavily taped one…)
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@mayjay I didn’t say taping it prevents further injury, I said it reduced the risk of reinjury because it immobilizes the ankle which also reduces agility because it’s taped so heavily.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Nothing was directed at you except for similarity of histories. I was referring in the last paragraph to my own history–taped up one, injured the other. The earlier “can’t injure it further” comment was about a myth often repeated by coaches to get their players willing to play sooner than they should. Seems like I remember Roy saying this about Kirk, but the years make it all so foggy…
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@mayjay I hear you. Sounds like we’re in the same boat. My right ankle … broken twice by rolling it to the outside long ago … is like jelly. I’m not even sure I can sprain it anymore rolling it to the outside. No real pain. Doesn’t impact running, lateral movement, etc. Just stretched out for good, I think. I came down messing around playing BB in the driveway about 10 years ago, in low cut socks, and scraped my ankle bone on the concrete. Laid it flat to the side. Didn’t even really swell up. Crazy. I’ve rolled it a few times since and just fell over. I think it might fall off at some point. But when I’ve done anything of consequence since, I’ve worn a lace up brace just for stability. Tape is great but those lace-up braces are easy and reliable for gray, quasi/pretend athletes. Getting old is great.
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Rolled mine a few times XC running over iffy terrain and it’s as good as new now. My sister did the same in basketball and volleyball. Lots of variables beyond the injury. Marcus also has access to a heck of a lot better treatment than any of us.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroy’s rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
I’ll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team that’ll lose to a “hot” three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 I’m just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). I’m tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
No, usually use a principal components analysis + the eye test. KenPom is just a single metric and has its pluses (good snapshot of how a team has played so far) and minuses (not great at prediction). Have to take all that into account when looking at individual metrics.
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@FarmerJayhawk If you want to see how poor the professionals do in determining outcomes, give it a go this March. It’s laughable that they get paid for predictive analysis and this is what you get. Now as a source of entertainment it’s up there with the ap poll.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk If you want to see how poor the professionals do in determining outcomes, give it a go this March. It’s laughable that they get paid for predictive analysis and this is what you get. Now as a source of entertainment it’s up there with the ap poll.
Does Ken say his model is predictive in addition to descriptive? Honestly don’t know.
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@FarmerJayhawk I believe it has been an option when filling out your brackets on ESPN to get that “analysis” so it’s billed that way regardless of his intentions. And it’s junk at predicting outcomes so I’m not sure what it’s worth beyond entertainment. But that’s all basketball is so…
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk I believe it has been an option when filling out your brackets on ESPN to get that “analysis” so it’s billed that way regardless of his intentions. And it’s junk at predicting outcomes so I’m not sure what it’s worth beyond entertainment. But that’s all basketball is so…
Gotcha. I’m somewhat of an analytics skeptic anyhow so I agree there.
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I hope I’m not wrong… and I hope I’m not jinxing the team.
I’m predicting a sound KU win. I’m thinking we will show some growth after the Nova loss, just as we did after the Duke loss. Self has been cheerleading all week. He’s been pushing the guys after their finals to now and it will show. Devon is about to explode out of his skin after giving away that Nova game. I’m expecting him to finish at the rim plenty of times.
Tape… by the time I was 20 the lower half of my calves couldn’t grow hair anymore. I had bald ankles from all the hair pulling out from tape. It felt like it completely limited my mobility but it was insurance against another ankle blowout. Never went down again. Tape should be the last resort unless it’s a big guy who never had mobility in the first place.
A nice compromise is the stretch wrap. It is almost an art form. You can pull it so tight that it creates the rigidity like tape, or your can go loser and gain some movement with a slight loss to safety.
It sounds stupid but I question how many people are out there that really knows how to stretch wrap. I would have Marcus in a stretch wrap and as his ankle strengthens I would gradually lighten up on the tension of his wrap. Go back through sports history and you will find many many situations where guys would rewrap during games depending if their ankles were feeling stronger and less pain or tightening up.
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@wrwlumpy Lol… JFK’s brief foray into Stanford to sew his oats…
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@wrwlumpy And Hello, Jennifer Connelly!
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@BShark Me too.
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I don’t feel real positive about today
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@kjayhawks This is a win. BOOK IT.
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Bill Self after a loss is the most dangerous coach to play against. I think we struggle and eek out a W
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Weird game so far lol
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My prediction about Devon was off. I expected he would explode in this game, but instead, still looked like he was in retreat mode. Had he been on stride, this would have been a 40-pt blow out.
Nice to see Moss become a factor. And we got some good minutes out of our freshmen. Going to need them down the stretch.
Our length and athleticism bothers teams. Even on their open jumpers.
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@drgnslayr Devon has regressed slightly. His 2&3 % shots are down.
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Dotson needs to figure it out now. He will be the one to determine how far this team goes. All it takes is a mental breakdown at the end of a game to lose it all -Nova. I fully expect Devon to improve his command of the game as the season progresses. I just hope he gets enough polish in conference play; he’s not champion caliber yet. I hope he gets there in a KU uniform, but the clock is ticking.
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We know Devon can take anyone to the hole. So the question is why he doesn’t. It helps to run sets for him. Clear out a side of the post for him to drive. Spread the floor for a driving lane. Create something off the ball for him.
I’d like to see us run more offense specifically for Devon though I wonder if Self is thinking that he needs to protect him from injury or wearing down in the year. We can think back to guys like Frank, Sherron, who were overused and then banged up by March.
I’m just thinking Devon needs something to build his confidence.
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drgnslayr said:
We know Devon can take anyone to the hole. So the question is why he doesn’t.
I’m guessing it’s all the minutes he plays. I’d love to see more screens set for him.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@drgnslayr Devon has regressed slightly. His 2&3 % shots are down.
ya he is not ready for the NBA right now for sure. - - -They gave him things to work on and he has not improved in either. - -
They told him he needed to work on hos outside J - - - if anything he is worse at this point. - -He cannot expect to make the NBA of what he is providing right now. - -Sure he is lightning quick and can get to the hole - -but that’s not going to cut it in the NBA. - That is not going to get him to stick in the NBA , a lot of lightning guards in the NBA - -Devon has just got to improve his outside shooting. - - for us & the NBA - -we need him to be able to hit that J.
If he continues to struggle , that is a huge negative against us , having him AND MARCUS who can’t hit a outside jumper , teams will really sag on Doke - -he will NEVER see the ball - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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drgnslayr said:
We know Devon can take anyone to the hole. So the question is why he doesn’t. It helps to run sets for him. Clear out a side of the post for him to drive. Spread the floor for a driving lane. Create something off the ball for him.
I’d like to see us run more offense specifically for Devon though I wonder if Self is thinking that he needs to protect him from injury or wearing down in the year. We can think back to guys like Frank, Sherron, who were overused and then banged up by March.
I’m just thinking Devon needs something to build his confidence.
At this point that will not work. - - Devon has just got to start being able to knock down his outside jumper. - -before long teams are stop guarding him as tight and force him to show that he can hit the outside jumper with some consistency, teams are going to smarten up and start making him beat them from the outside - - - play off of him, this is one of the things the NBA told him he needed to improve on doing a better job of being able to hit jumpers. - -Right now if anything he has gotten worse. - that driving lane will be shut off before long if he can’t prove himself
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They actually did this in the 2nd half of the Villanova game. Put Dotson on the left side gave him the pass and ran a high ball screen action so he could create, drive or kick. I think this is something film should point out was pretty successful. I think you have to find ways to limit the grind on him whether its letting someone else bring the ball up and giving him different looks like the nova game, off the ball. There is no reason this team and coaching can’t gameplan to have its leading scorer in situations to make a play. Garrett has proven invaluable as a secondary handler and assist man. He is the most improved player on the roster. It looks useful to alternate them on and off the ball
