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@dylans geez, Dylans, bah humbug?
grinch! Iām sending a lump of coal your way.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk But thatās pretty much based on taking KU to overtime. Dayton hasnāt beaten anyone either. Itās early, but it doesnāt look like KU will prove much in the non-con other than they go as far as Dotson takes them.
Theyāre KenPom #12 so that implies theyāre a good team no matter their schedule. I think theyāre a threat to go to the Final Four
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dylans said:
@jayballer73 Playing Devilās advocate, whatās KUās biggest win? Dayton lol. We still donāt know if KU is any good, poor on court leadership led to losing to subpar Duke and Nova teams. Iām hopeful, but doubtful the glaring faults in this squad can be addressed.
Understand , however the point being win or lose the competition is a lot harder on KUās part. -Duke - -Villanova - - -Colorado - - Dayton - - Tennessee - -others. - - could of had Michigan St had they not screwed around. - -Where as Stanford schedule isnāt even Scheduled a big bunch of no bodies
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@dylans oh boy, guess you donāt want to play devils advocate again?
Merry Christmas!
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@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroyās rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
Iāll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team thatāll lose to a āhotā three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 Iām just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). Iām tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
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@dylans 22 not 12 and or not and
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroyās rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
Iāll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team thatāll lose to a āhotā three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 Iām just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). Iām tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
question is have we seen a team this year that DOESNāT have flaws? - -didnāt think so - we are right there with about 10 others teams THIS YEAR for all of it
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jayballer73 said:
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroyās rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
Iāll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team thatāll lose to a āhotā three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 Iām just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). Iām tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
question is have we seen a team this year that DOESNāT have flaws? - -didnāt think so - we are right there with about 10 others teams THIS YEAR for all of it
You are correct there is no sure thing this year. KU isnāt out of it, they just are no where near the driver seat. They are way better than last season, just not championship caliber without major luck.
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Most national championships in all sports almost every year.
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@dylans Iād be okay with EE or obviously FF with this team. Not expecting a title at all, just donāt have the offensive capability. Itās a shame with Dotson 99.9% to leave, I think JR or SR Dotson could easily (itās relative) win a title.
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Ah what dreams to think of an elder Devon on this team. No reality, bummer
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Chiefs start at noon on CBS and their game should be over at 3:20.
KU start at 2:00 pm. Will those in Kansas City turn off the chiefs or DVR the The Jayhawks. Click (watch on youtube)
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@wrwlumpy chief fans wonāt turn off their game.
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Weird playing on sunday
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Garrett will probably play Sunday if he continues to improve. Only about 75%.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Weird playing on sunday
Ya , I just saw that , hadnāt realized it was on Sunday. - -Just kind of rained on my parade dam lol. - -well now what to do Tomorrow ? - - Gonna be fun Sunday as my Jay Hawks play , & I have to watch my Packers play too - -we still have the chance for home filed advantage throughout the NFL playoffs - -currently the # 2 seed. I just hope we come out really focused against Stanford we NEED a solid outing against a quality opponent.
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@jayballer73 Well, there are the football playoffs tomorrow, and some other weird things called ābowl games.ā I know for us football in late December is a once-every-2-decades-or-so thing, but it is actually somewhat important to much of the American sports world! Try it, you might like it! And they even have 3 pt plays!
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mayjay said:
@jayballer73 Well, there are the football playoffs tomorrow, and some other weird things called ābowl games.ā I know for us football in late December is a once-every-2-decades-or-so thing, but it is actually somewhat important to much of the American sports world! Try it, you might like it! And they even have 3 pt plays!
Oh wise guy hay lol. - - - - - why canāt I like FOOTBALL & BASKETBALL lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Garrettās injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says itās no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
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BeddieKU23 said:
Garrettās injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says itās no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
Also sounds like the plan is for him to start Sunday.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Garrettās injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says itās no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
This isnāt a high ankle sprain so it is a different type of injury. The problem with the type of ankle sprain he has now is that it will limit his lateral mobility which will affect his defense and his driving ability.
Itās not the same injury, but it will have a very similar effect as his high ankle sprain last year. This is also the type of ankle sprain that is much easier to reaggravate because itās weak right now so this will likely be a season long issue for Garrett.
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Too early to tell. I doubt he would play this weekend if they thought the injury was severe enough to cost him and his team a starter going forward. Ankle injuries are never good for guards but hopefully this one is nothing more then a minor blip
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@Crimsonorblue22 We have the technology - we will DVR one or the other.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Too early to tell. I doubt he would play this weekend if they thought the injury was severe enough to cost him and his team a starter going forward. Ankle injuries are never good for guards but hopefully this one is nothing more then a minor blip
As someone who lost out on athletic scholarships due to a recurring ankle sprain my senior year in high school, this isnāt an injury where giving where giving Garrett a couple of weeks off will help it. Heās going to be dealing with this for the rest of the year.
He will either lose agility because of how much his ankle will be taped up to reduce the risk of reinjury, or heāll play without heavily taping his ankle and to try and keep his agility as high as possible and run the risk of tweaking it in practice or a game.
To this day, I still canāt run more than about half a mile before my ankle starts to swell up on me because of how many times I sprained it in high school playing football.
Thereās a saying that a sprain is worse than a break because a break heals clean. Sprains never 100% heal because it damages the ligaments in whatever joint is sprained and makes that joint more susceptible to to reinjury.
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People heal differently. I experienced ankle injuries playing in HS and College as well and each was different in how much it impacted movement and health after. If they say this injury isnt significant compared to last seasons then we will see for ourselves how much impact it has on him not only this weekend but going forward. The difference between you, me and Garrett is having the resources of the KU Medical staff. Hopefully for the sake of fans and the team itās an injury that doesnt have a significant impact on the season
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Repetitive strains 35 to 45 years ago still affect me. I sprained my ankles so many times in hs, college, and later that I lost track when it went over 20. Now, I roll my ankle and it hurts for about 30 seconds and then I can keep walking. The ligaments are so loose that they donāt get stretched any more.
It also has resulted in my inability to balance on one foot wellāI have to lean against the shower wall to wash each foot. I cannot ice skate because of no strength in my ankles, and I canāt turn my feet in enough to ski in a straight line to go downhill. My splay feet enable me to zoom uphill in cross-country skiing though!
I know, boo hoo for me. It is really my own damned fault since I only saw a doctor for my sprains once. I wish I had had more sense about getting treatment and staying off them while they were healing. It is an absolute lie to say they cannot be injured further by playing on a spraināmight be more accurate to say it will be taped so completely as to prevent further rolling. (And watch out for injuring the healthy one while playing on a heavily taped oneā¦)
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@mayjay I didnāt say taping it prevents further injury, I said it reduced the risk of reinjury because it immobilizes the ankle which also reduces agility because itās taped so heavily.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Nothing was directed at you except for similarity of histories. I was referring in the last paragraph to my own historyātaped up one, injured the other. The earlier ācanāt injure it furtherā comment was about a myth often repeated by coaches to get their players willing to play sooner than they should. Seems like I remember Roy saying this about Kirk, but the years make it all so foggyā¦
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@mayjay I hear you. Sounds like weāre in the same boat. My right ankle ā¦ broken twice by rolling it to the outside long ago ā¦ is like jelly. Iām not even sure I can sprain it anymore rolling it to the outside. No real pain. Doesnāt impact running, lateral movement, etc. Just stretched out for good, I think. I came down messing around playing BB in the driveway about 10 years ago, in low cut socks, and scraped my ankle bone on the concrete. Laid it flat to the side. Didnāt even really swell up. Crazy. Iāve rolled it a few times since and just fell over. I think it might fall off at some point. But when Iāve done anything of consequence since, Iāve worn a lace up brace just for stability. Tape is great but those lace-up braces are easy and reliable for gray, quasi/pretend athletes. Getting old is great.
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Rolled mine a few times XC running over iffy terrain and itās as good as new now. My sister did the same in basketball and volleyball. Lots of variables beyond the injury. Marcus also has access to a heck of a lot better treatment than any of us.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroyās rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
Iāll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team thatāll lose to a āhotā three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 Iām just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). Iām tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
No, usually use a principal components analysis + the eye test. KenPom is just a single metric and has its pluses (good snapshot of how a team has played so far) and minuses (not great at prediction). Have to take all that into account when looking at individual metrics.
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@FarmerJayhawk If you want to see how poor the professionals do in determining outcomes, give it a go this March. Itās laughable that they get paid for predictive analysis and this is what you get. Now as a source of entertainment itās up there with the ap poll.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk If you want to see how poor the professionals do in determining outcomes, give it a go this March. Itās laughable that they get paid for predictive analysis and this is what you get. Now as a source of entertainment itās up there with the ap poll.
Does Ken say his model is predictive in addition to descriptive? Honestly donāt know.
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@FarmerJayhawk I believe it has been an option when filling out your brackets on ESPN to get that āanalysisā so itās billed that way regardless of his intentions. And itās junk at predicting outcomes so Iām not sure what itās worth beyond entertainment. But thatās all basketball is soā¦
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk I believe it has been an option when filling out your brackets on ESPN to get that āanalysisā so itās billed that way regardless of his intentions. And itās junk at predicting outcomes so Iām not sure what itās worth beyond entertainment. But thatās all basketball is soā¦
Gotcha. Iām somewhat of an analytics skeptic anyhow so I agree there.
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I hope Iām not wrongā¦ and I hope Iām not jinxing the team.
Iām predicting a sound KU win. Iām thinking we will show some growth after the Nova loss, just as we did after the Duke loss. Self has been cheerleading all week. Heās been pushing the guys after their finals to now and it will show. Devon is about to explode out of his skin after giving away that Nova game. Iām expecting him to finish at the rim plenty of times.
Tapeā¦ by the time I was 20 the lower half of my calves couldnāt grow hair anymore. I had bald ankles from all the hair pulling out from tape. It felt like it completely limited my mobility but it was insurance against another ankle blowout. Never went down again. Tape should be the last resort unless itās a big guy who never had mobility in the first place.
A nice compromise is the stretch wrap. It is almost an art form. You can pull it so tight that it creates the rigidity like tape, or your can go loser and gain some movement with a slight loss to safety.
It sounds stupid but I question how many people are out there that really knows how to stretch wrap. I would have Marcus in a stretch wrap and as his ankle strengthens I would gradually lighten up on the tension of his wrap. Go back through sports history and you will find many many situations where guys would rewrap during games depending if their ankles were feeling stronger and less pain or tightening up.
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@wrwlumpy Lolā¦ JFKās brief foray into Stanford to sew his oatsā¦
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@wrwlumpy And Hello, Jennifer Connelly!
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@BShark Me too.
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I donāt feel real positive about today
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@kjayhawks This is a win. BOOK IT.
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Bill Self after a loss is the most dangerous coach to play against. I think we struggle and eek out a W
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Weird game so far lol
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My prediction about Devon was off. I expected he would explode in this game, but instead, still looked like he was in retreat mode. Had he been on stride, this would have been a 40-pt blow out.
Nice to see Moss become a factor. And we got some good minutes out of our freshmen. Going to need them down the stretch.
Our length and athleticism bothers teams. Even on their open jumpers.
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@drgnslayr Devon has regressed slightly. His 2&3 % shots are down.
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Dotson needs to figure it out now. He will be the one to determine how far this team goes. All it takes is a mental breakdown at the end of a game to lose it all -Nova. I fully expect Devon to improve his command of the game as the season progresses. I just hope he gets enough polish in conference play; heās not champion caliber yet. I hope he gets there in a KU uniform, but the clock is ticking.
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We know Devon can take anyone to the hole. So the question is why he doesnāt. It helps to run sets for him. Clear out a side of the post for him to drive. Spread the floor for a driving lane. Create something off the ball for him.
Iād like to see us run more offense specifically for Devon though I wonder if Self is thinking that he needs to protect him from injury or wearing down in the year. We can think back to guys like Frank, Sherron, who were overused and then banged up by March.
Iām just thinking Devon needs something to build his confidence.
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drgnslayr said:
We know Devon can take anyone to the hole. So the question is why he doesnāt.
Iām guessing itās all the minutes he plays. Iād love to see more screens set for him.
