Just an obversation



  • Was doing some looking this morning with the rankings of 2020 recruits. Found kind of interesting. KU is listed as in the recruits top 5 schools mentioned - - OR has had a CB pick in10 out of the top 24 recruits for 2020 - -BUT then out of the next 56 recruits - -that I stopped at # 80 - - KU is only mentioned with - - 4 times.

    So that got me to thinking this , Are we spending to much time on the top elite top 20 players/recruits & not enough time trying to recruit that middle tier player? - - -Just seems our success rate with these top level elite players are at a minimum Then we are losing out on some pretty quality 2-3 yr players - -plyers that might just need a little more time but yet very good players - -solid that will stick with the program and develop.

    It kind of looks like we are spending all of our recruiting efforts on the Top - -Top players and not so much for the Upper end but not elite players - ending up costing us - -which puts us in a scramble mode - running around looking like a chicken with our heads cut off scrambling to fill the roster/position needs – Plan - -A - - B – C. - At least at 1st glance seems to be the case - I mean from the 24th ranked player to the 80th ranked player - -not to be even listed as one of the kids top5 School that the kid is interested in? - -only 4 kids out of 56? - Something seems kind of funny there - -Are we just not recruiting these kids? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @jayballer73 are the top schools recruiting those kids?



  • Would love to know the cost and effort spent on the average recruit by the top 25 college brands vs KU.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10#1-texas-am--1926-million-25



  • I don’t think KU is doing anything different then normal at the moment. They chased a mix of top talent and rising talent in the spring. I think we’ll see that continue this summer as they evaluate the class. What I don’t see right now is any real clear “top targets”. KU has work to do in impressing anything right now in 2020.

    KU figures to replace Devon Dotson, Silvio De Sousa and graduates Azubuike & Lightfoot from the upcoming roster.

    If everyone else returns that we know that only leaves KU with 6 guys. KU will need immediate talent. I think they will recruit like they have a blank slate. Nobody on the roster is safe from being overrecruited right now.



  • i know if Bill has them for two years or more, they will certainly be much better…http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2019/may/30/after-heavy-freshman-feel-in-2018-19-kan/



  • Crimsonorblue22 said:

    @jayballer73 are the top schools recruiting those kids?

    I didn’t really focus as much on what other schools were recruiting them . - -I was just going down the line to see if we were in there top 5 choice of Schools - I’ll have to see what other schools might be interested or in their top 5.

    The thing is we are battling for the top elite against the Kentucky’s - -The Duke’s - - The North Carolina’s - - The Arizona’s. - - - The Michigan States – our success rate isn’t the best - then in turn in the main time were losing out on the upper to middle tier guys that are still really good players I thinking possibly because we just ARE NOT showing enough interest in these players - and then when we are losing out on the elite - we try getting involved with others and it’s to late.

    Like some people have mentioned how they would prefer guys that are a little less possibly the guys that stick for 2-3 years - even 4 yr guys that develop into pretty dam good players - - exp - - Frank - -Devonte - those types. - I just think maybe we could change our plan of attack some - -a little better mix/ratio - -try to put more effort possibly in maybe the not quite so elite but still very good. - -just random obversation - -who know’s I might just be totally crazy on this. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @jayballer73 I get that. Just wondered.



  • @approxinfinity crazy high!



  • Crimsonorblue22 said:

    @jayballer73 are the top schools recruiting those kids?

    Ok , so went back through and checked about the question you asked. - - -Now I didn’t write down every kid that was ranked from # 24 through 80 - I didn’t write down every top 5 school he listed but I did browse and found and going to lists schools that are in their top 5 - -give some examples of who is in their top 5 schools:

    Some of the schools I seen listed with these guys were : - - -Oregon - - - -Maryland - - Florida - - -Syracuse - - -Alabama - - -U Conn - - -Duke – -Ohio St - - -Louisville - - -LSU - - -Tennessee - - -South Carolina - - -Wisconsin - - -Xavier - - -Butler - - -West Virginia - - -Purdue - - -Arkansas - - G’Town - - -Clemson - - -Arizona – Arizona St.

    Those were some of the schools listed with these guys. - Now I realize true may not be THE BLUEBLOOD - well other then Duke - but the point is - -they are being listed. - -KU is not even getting listed with these kids. - I know some of these Schools that listed - you mean to tell me these kids wouldn’t at least have an attentive ear if Ku reached out to them - with them being ranked where they are? –

    If I were a kid that was say oh ranked in the middle 60’s -70’s and you Had KU reach out to you show interest over say someone like a Clemson OR Xavier - -or Purdue OR just using as examples - -you as a player with that ranking wouldn’t even at least listen to what KU had to say? - -something just doesn’t seem right - -these guys aren’t even giving us a sniff - that’s where I’m wondering if we are just putting all our efforts into just more the top - -top - -elite and not enough attention to other really good quality players?



  • 2020 is going to be a big class. Need at least 1 guard, probably two, two bigs, and possibly at least 1 wing if Ochai goes pro. I feel good about Daishen Nix at PG. Bryce Thompson is firmly in the mix at the 2 if we need another guard. UNC will be tough to beat there. Remember Zach Harvey? Also possible if all the legal stuff is over and done with. Isaiah Todd would be a terrific fit alongside McCormack. Ditto Xavier Foster, though seems he might stay local. Isaiah Cottrell is a nice player too. Josh Hall is a legit combo forward we’re in on. Scottie Barnes will visit either late summer or early fall. I don’t think Kyree Walker is a lock to be one and done, either. So we have a lot of irons in the fire.



  • @jayballer73 That’s what alot of us have been saying for years. Go for the pretty good guy at 25- 75 that is willing to stick around and improve, and the let the number 3 guy that isn’t even going to unpack his bags, and has it all figured out go to Dook and Tucky. To me, if the kid won’t invest in us, we probably shouldn’t invest in them. Now, there will be exceptions, such as Josh. But we’re better served to get kids that want to stick around.



  • jayballer73 said:

    Was doing some looking this morning with the rankings of 2020 recruits. Found kind of interesting. KU is listed as in the recruits top 5 schools mentioned - - OR has had a CB pick in10 out of the top 24 recruits for 2020 - -BUT then out of the next 56 recruits - -that I stopped at # 80 - - KU is only mentioned with - - 4 times.

    So that got me to thinking this , Are we spending to much time on the top elite top 20 players/recruits & not enough time trying to recruit that middle tier player? - - -Just seems our success rate with these top level elite players are at a minimum Then we are losing out on some pretty quality 2-3 yr players - -plyers that might just need a little more time but yet very good players - -solid that will stick with the program and develop.

    It kind of looks like we are spending all of our recruiting efforts on the Top - -Top players and not so much for the Upper end but not elite players - ending up costing us - -which puts us in a scramble mode - running around looking like a chicken with our heads cut off scrambling to fill the roster/position needs – Plan - -A - - B – C. - At least at 1st glance seems to be the case - I mean from the 24th ranked player to the 80th ranked player - -not to be even listed as one of the kids top5 School that the kid is interested in? - -only 4 kids out of 56? - Something seems kind of funny there - -Are we just not recruiting these kids? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

    Look, if we had a roster where all 13 scholarships were taken by top 100 recruits and even players just outside of it (guys like Mason, Graham, Agbaji, Enaruna, Braun and McBride) we would be no worse than now, in fact an arguement could be made that we might even be better. I say we keep our roster stacked with at least ten of those guys on a yearly basis. If one or two highly ranked players happen to fall our way (which they will, Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina cannot sign them all) then fine, but don’t go all in on six or seven guys who want to bolt as soon as possible.



  • @FarmerJayhawk We can get Xavier Foster.



  • Marco said:

    @FarmerJayhawk We can get Xavier Foster.

    I concur. The 4 spot is open for business no matter what Silvio does.



  • Marco said:

    but don’t go all in on six or seven guys who want to bolt as soon as possible.

    Problems exist by chasing the top tier. These problems are far more than just the year we have them (starting guys with zero experience).

    The problems start BEFORE we sign them, even if we don’t sign one of them! Think about how many really quality players pass on Kansas because they don’t want to sit on the bench behind an OAD? (only to be passed on again after the OAD leaves by bringing in another OAD!)

    And then we have the problem of having all these players leave after only one year. Constant holes to fill, and we usually don’t have quality depth built in that position because the OAD hogged the PT!

    I really enjoy the eye candy of watching those guys stuff the ball. But I’ve come to think they are all “fool’s gold.”



  • If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

    The guy you recruit that’s ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.



  • justanotherfan said:

    If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

    The guy you recruit that’s ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.

    This is spot on. There is generally a better floor the higher up the rankings you go.



  • BShark said:

    justanotherfan said:

    If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

    The guy you recruit that’s ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.

    This is spot on. There is generally a better floor the higher up the rankings you go.

    True - but you have to get them 1st - you spend the entire yr battling all the other blue bloods and then when you strike out - - - you REALLY strike out. - you have spent your year on upper tier guys and then you lose and by then you haven’t given the middle tier guys a sniff - -now they not gonna give you one.

    I’m by far not against the one and dones for sure you ought to know that. - Yet my question is - are we spending ENOUGH time recruiting all the others ? -seems like all we are focused on is OAD’S or close to it - -we need a better mix in the years to come

    Just like Jalen now they have him at 5oth - but yet have hear he is under ranked should be 10-15 higher - that card can be played with others - THEY very well could be under ranked - -just need more even mix’



  • drgnslayr said:

    Marco said:

    but don’t go all in on six or seven guys who want to bolt as soon as possible.

    Problems exist by chasing the top tier. These problems are far more than just the year we have them (starting guys with zero experience).

    The problems start BEFORE we sign them, even if we don’t sign one of them! Think about how many really quality players pass on Kansas because they don’t want to sit on the bench behind an OAD? (only to be passed on again after the OAD leaves by bringing in another OAD!)

    And then we have the problem of having all these players leave after only one year. Constant holes to fill, and we usually don’t have quality depth built in that position because the OAD hogged the PT!

    I really enjoy the eye candy of watching those guys stuff the ball. But I’ve come to think they are all “fool’s gold.”

    Thank you, another point I was just fixing to make. The turnover with those guys leaving, on top of however many the number of seniors that happen to be graduating is too much. That’s one reason why I’m looking forward to this year’s team, none of our freshmen are going to leave early.



  • jayballer73 said:

    BShark said:

    justanotherfan said:

    If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

    The guy you recruit that’s ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.

    This is spot on. There is generally a better floor the higher up the rankings you go.

    True - but you have to get them 1st - you spend the entire yr battling all the other blue bloods and then when you strike out - - - you REALLY strike out. - you have spent your year on upper tier guys and then you lose and by then you haven’t given the middle tier guys a sniff - -now they not gonna give you one.

    I’m by far not against the one and dones for sure you ought to know that. - Yet my question is - are we spending ENOUGH time recruiting all the others ? -seems like all we are focused on is OAD’S or close to it - -we need a better mix in the years to come

    Just like Jalen now they have him at 5oth - but yet have hear he is under ranked should be 10-15 higher - that card can be played with others - THEY very well could be under ranked - -just need more even mix’

    I’m with you @jayballer73! Sure we should recruit a few top-tier guys and hope that one or two might sign, but in the meantime I think we should mine hard and heavy the top 100, and if there are no scholarships left after a few of them decide to sign and become Jayhawks then so be it.



  • @jayballer73 We were positive we would get RJ, so we didn’t offer Isaiah Moss. Now we’re looking for a guard.



  • KUSTEVE said:

    @jayballer73 We were positive we would get RJ, so we didn’t offer Isaiah Moss. Now we’re looking for a guard.

    The more I heard from Iowa fans the more I can see why the staff passed. Good luck to Arkansas with him.



  • KUSTEVE said:

    @jayballer73 We were positive we would get RJ, so we didn’t offer Isaiah Moss. Now we’re looking for a guard.

    Was about Wilson, not Hampton for Moss.



  • @BShark I heard that. I was just wondering why Jordan Poole said that Moss was the toughest defender he faced in the B10.



  • @FarmerJayhawk I’ll bet you’re right. Same situation, though. Although there are lots of detractors regarding Moss. He was highly inconsistent. Not as much as Q, but close. I was trying to give a recent example of what Gerry was alluding to where we chase the big names, and miss out on the lower rated guys.



  • @KUSTEVE RJ is a DB



  • @FarmerJayhawk If Ochai goes pro, then KU will have a pretty good year.



  • KUSTEVE said:

    @jayballer73 We were positive we would get RJ, so we didn’t offer Isaiah Moss. Now we’re looking for a guard.

    Exactly - -just to many misses. - -Previous years we still have missed – maybe not like this year , BUT seems like we are missing alot



  • @jayballer73 I wasn’t saying that Moss was a must get by any means, but i’m hoping we don’t get totally skunked. I’m trying to warm up to JW- I think some of my caution has to do with him being so close to RJ, and that’s probably not fair on my part. If he signs with us with the idea he’ll be here for more than a year than we’d be foolish not to have him in light of our current situation at the 2/3.



  • KUSTEVE said:

    @jayballer73 I wasn’t saying that Moss was a must get by any means, but i’m hoping we don’t get totally skunked. I’m trying to warm up to JW- I think some of my caution has to do with him being so close to RJ, and that’s probably not fair on my part. If he signs with us with the idea he’ll be here for more than a year than we’d be foolish not to have him in light of our current situation at the 2/3.

    Oh I think there is no doubt that Jalen would be here for more then one year - -quite possible 2-3 yr guy



  • May we please curb the irrational exuberance for Ochai? Perhaps it’s irrational optimism, instead. Ochai’s numbers were very similar to Q’s and all of us seem to agree Q wasn’t likely to help next year’s team enough on offense. Ochai hit 31% from 3 (23/75), while Q hit 34%. They averaged nearly the same amount of minutes per game, 26 for Ochai and 27 minutes for Q. Of course Q played in more game and played the 2, but Ochai’s shooting wasn’t better than Q’s. I like Ochai’s potential, but I’m still waiting for higher and more consistent scoring from him. At this point, I don’t see Ochai as the player to pick up any of the points we are losing from Dedric’s departure. But, I’m hopefully optimistic that Ochai will improve on offense. I also liked that during the tournament, Garrett seemed to understand his role on offense was to drive to the rim and not take the outside shot. I see three pieces of the starting puzzle, Dok, Silvio and Devon. I’m nervously waiting for two other quality starters to emerge.



  • @stoptheflop The huge difference is that Ochai’s performance dip came along with an injury. He was shooting really well before his leg injury. I’m not as high on him as HEM is but I think he’s fine to have as a starter this year when two of your other starters are legit Big 12 POTY and possibly national AA team candidates.

    I don’t think it’s possible to play Garrett, Silvio and Doke all at once without committing what amounts to offensive suicide. So even if Bill adds one of Wilson or Walker I feel Ochai has to start. Garrett definitely has a place in the rotation you just can’t have three non-shooters on the floor. Even if Silvio is hitting out to the ft line it doesn’t work. He’d have to be able to hit threes which I don’t see.



  • @BShark and Ochai is actually athletic. No oops (or ups) for Grimes. And the best thing is Ochai actually wants to be in Lawrence!



  • dylans said:

    @BShark and Ochai is actually athletic. No oops (or ups) for Grimes. And the best thing is Ochai actually wants to be in Lawrence!

    Great points all around…



  • dylans said:

    @BShark and Ochai is actually athletic. No oops (or ups) for Grimes. And the best thing is Ochai actually wants to be in Lawrence!

    Well Q MIGHT have had the ooops - -we just didn’t see any lmao



  • @BShark I absolutely agree- I am close to HEM’s exuberance over Ochai, but only if he is used right. I keep scratching my head, wondering how we’re going to handle the ball well with a Dot/Ochai/Wilson/Silvio/Doke lineup. I think if we sign Wilson, we’re signing off on a Marcus starting gig, simply due to the need of taking care of the ball. Ochai and JW are 3s, and would likely split the position, leaving MG and perhaps McBride handling the 2. Otherwise, every team is going to pressure our guards. That’s no hitch for DD, but I can’t say the same thing for JW and Ochai. I know Ochai is athletic, but playing the 2, and guarding smaller quicker guys might be a challenge. I tried to glean the ball handling skills in his prior videos, and the best I’ve seen is there were a few times he brought the ball up. That’s why I think a Jaevin Cumberland type 2 is an absolute must.



  • @KUSTEVE I’m fine with Dot being extremely ball dominant.



  • @BShark I am too. I’m talking about all the times when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands, like when we tried to play Wayne at the 2, or when Naadir was pressured by Eastern Kentucky in the NCAA tournament, and we almost lost. What made it hard for teams to double Frank was Devonte. I hope we can find a Devonte for Dotson.



  • I’ve come to appreciate “team ball” and fundamentals as being superior to elite OADs. I look at players like Fred VanVleet and Frank Mason… and I want more of those guys.

    I’ve never been for having a revolving door team but I always thought (like many other’s think) and having one or maybe two OADs sprinkled into a seasoned bunch made sense. I’m starting to question that idea. I’m still not against it, but sort of playing “devil’s advocate.”

    I’m thinking more about what we give up by going after the fool’s gold.



  • @drgnslayr Did you see Van Fleet’s stats against Milwaukee? Incredible production when called on by a 6’0 bench player. I wish Frank could be given a similar opportunity.0_1559523927255_vanfleet.png



  • @approxinfinity

    You can bet Frank will offer up some serious help to the right team, if given the chance.



  • @approxinfinity he’s looked great tonight…



  • @KUSTEVE looks like it (just looking at boxscore). Its crazy to think that if he had hit 4 of 8 instead of 2 of 8 from 3, something he did in the last 3 games against the Bucks, they probably win. Dude’s percentages have been outstanding.



  • @approxinfinity Toronto was playing a box in 1 against Steph, with fred chasing him all over the court. he was outstanding, made a basket almost on his butt ( ala dedric), those stumpy little legs churning like crazy. just a fearless badass of a player.



  • jayballer73 said:

    BShark said:

    justanotherfan said:

    If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

    The guy you recruit that’s ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.

    This is spot on. There is generally a better floor the higher up the rankings you go.

    True - but you have to get them 1st - you spend the entire yr battling all the other blue bloods and then when you strike out - - - you REALLY strike out. - you have spent your year on upper tier guys and then you lose and by then you haven’t given the middle tier guys a sniff - -now they not gonna give you one.

    This is true of every recruit. Its not like if Bill Self walks into the living room of any kid ranked between 30 and 80 that kid is going to immediately sign with KU. We have to recruit that kid, too.

    That kid may want more PT, too. That kid may want to stay closer to home. That kid may want to go to another school, too. Its not like players 30-80 only have one scholarship offer.

    It’s not automatic that we sign whoever we want just by recruiting lower ranked players. We could still strike out. We could end up with only one or two guys instead of three or four. And because those aren’t high end guys, we may not be able to make up for that.



  • That’s a straw man argument. No one says it’s “automatic” or that we might not miss or strike out. Of course, things “could” work out poorly. Of course.

    As with anything else, it’s percentages. Likelihoods. Risk. One of the worst arguments is to compare an absolute when the absolute is not part of the initial argument.

    If we focused on non-OADs through 80ish, the great likelihood is that such a focus will pay allow a greater a pay off in that range than we have seen in the past. How many recruits have been left hanging, waiting on an OAD decision? If we made certain kids the priority and the first choice, instead of a second or third choice – being KU and a blueblood – that would lead to more players in that range. If we limit expenditure of recruiting capital inside the OAD range, that recruiting capital is focused elsewhere. The amount of travel, time, and effort focused on the OAD group is significant.

    It’s not that there isn’t risk. There is. But a focus of energy and resources, and prioritization of certain players, is better the gamble.

    That is particularly true given the alternative. One thing that can’t be ignored or debated – our return on presumed OADs has been pitiful. That, alone, might suggest a different path.



  • justanotherfan said:

    jayballer73 said:

    BShark said:

    justanotherfan said:

    If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

    The guy you recruit that’s ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.

    This is spot on. There is generally a better floor the higher up the rankings you go.

    True - but you have to get them 1st - you spend the entire yr battling all the other blue bloods and then when you strike out - - - you REALLY strike out. - you have spent your year on upper tier guys and then you lose and by then you haven’t given the middle tier guys a sniff - -now they not gonna give you one.

    This is true of every recruit. Its not like if Bill Self walks into the living room of any kid ranked between 30 and 80 that kid is going to immediately sign with KU. We have to recruit that kid, too.

    That kid may want more PT, too. That kid may want to stay closer to home. That kid may want to go to another school, too. Its not like players 30-80 only have one scholarship offer.

    It’s not automatic that we sign whoever we want just by recruiting lower ranked players. We could still strike out. We could end up with only one or two guys instead of three or four. And because those aren’t high end guys, we may not be able to make up for that.

    And you don’t think we realize this - -but I’ll tell ya what - - we having a lot more success at the middle tier then the higher - hen your spending all your time just to get screwed round like Hampton - -or Ayton that got bought off - -mainwhile back at the ranch you not even sniffing at the middle tier focusing all your time on elite - - Can’t work like that - -proof is in the pudding - -Hell who ever you recruit you have to work - that’s an obvious statement - -but you have to knock 1st TO WORK - we not even acknowledging a lot of these middle tier - that is a MISTAKE



  • I feel like ku missed out on just as many multi-year guys this time around



  • @jayballer73

    Lets do a quick thought experiment here. Let’s say rather than recruiting DeAndre Ayton, we focus on recruits in the range that you outline, so we are looking at Jeremiah Tilmon, Dan Gafford and Jalen Hill. All three of those guys signed in state.

    Tilmon has been solid so far, 8 points, 4 boards as a freshman, 10 and 6 as a sophomore.

    Gafford has been better. 12 and 6, then 17 and 9.

    Hill has been disappointing. He missed his freshman season with the China shoplifting incident. Averaged 4 and 6 this past season.

    So we target all three of those guys. Gafford is the best, but good luck getting him out of state and away from Arkansas.

    Same story with Tilmon and Mizzou.

    Maybe we land Hill, but he’s easily the worst of the three and he likely has very little impact either last season or this past season even if he doesn’t get suspended.

    And that’s assuming we get him. We could just as easily recruit that next group and still strike out because so many of the guys in that range stay regionally close to home/ in state.

    We don’t gain a recruiting advantage by pursuing that range of recruits, and we likely don’t get impact players like you will recruiting the top 20-25.

    We basically become a higher level Iowa State.



  • @HighEliteMajor It’s pitiful because it’s overrated. How does Dook not cut the nets down with 3 freshman lottery picks? How does the Squid out recruit the whole world for a decade, and have 1 national championship to show for it? Why did Bill’s worst years happen when he started the most freshmen? There are two elements that are always going to hold down the effectiveness of a highly ranked freshman - 1) inexperience and 2) motivation. In my books, we’ve had 1 great OAD, a few decent OADS, and more than our share of of overrated, immature, entitled kids. I use the Isaiah Moss example again … ( please don’t tell me how lucky we are not to have got him. he would’ve been better than what we got with RJ). Here you have a senior, who averaged more points than Q in less minutes, and had a higher 3 point shooting percent than anyone on our team ( considering we are almost certain to start a guy at the 2 who averaged 24.5% from 3 last year ). This guy had 3 years experience in the B10, and he visited us, and we didn’t offer him. We passed.

    Experience wins championships. Experience and dedication to the team, to the program is what cuts the nets down. Tech brought in 2 outstanding seniors from other programs, and almost cut down the nets. The last two years, our best players in the tournament ( Dedric/Malik ) both came to the table with experience and skills. Now, it doesn’t work every time ( Charlie/KJ ), but it works enough that a team that has to try to recruit in Lubbock, Tx made the national championship game after losing 5 seniors the year before. Contrast that with the recruiting fiasco that will forever be known as the " RJ Circus".


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