Some misc things guys : RJ/Devon/ Silvio
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Well guys let me 1st preface this before I start. I know some of your opinions about Matt Tait and Benton are not the highest - - -and that’s ok , but just thought today in their podcast - - -they brought out some pretty good points/scenario’s on some things. Just wanted to share, so having said that:
1st when they were talking about Devon and possibility of the NBA: - Matt said he had the chance to talk to a couple of NBA scouts , and asked them about Devon: - -they said that the NBA really like Devon , but when asked about his chances this year - - they like Devon BUT not a top 20 Devon - - more like a 30-40 Devon.
So for some who think that Devon is Gone - -umm Maybe not. I never have thought he was Gone - -just an informational thing for him , getting feed back on what he needs to work on. - -Like Matt pointed out now if he was a projected or he was told he would be a top 20 draftee this season - -Hell ya then get you some. They said they had seen one mock lottery like he was at # 29 - but if he comes back works on things - things like I had mentioned - – Creating own shot off the bounce - -working on his passing - working on his J - very easily could go to a top 20. - -makes sense to me.
Question was brought up. - Who do you think makes the biggest improvement from last year to this year? - - Ochai - - Garrett – Dotson – or McCormack? - - so who is it guys? - Like Matt and Benton said - -I said too - -I truly believe it will be McCormack - -him starting the last 13-14 games last year - -you could see him starting to get it - -things coming to him - -settling down = think we could see a lot of improvement - and when he fully does - -look out.
Then they talking about Silvio , said they got the chance to talk with Silvio and his attorney - -said they thought they might have gotten a answer this last week - - didn’t happen - now thinking /hoping this week possibly. - Mentioning that they had or was feeling good about the appeal. Matt Talking about how Silvio REALLY wants to come back and play for KU this next season - -BUT like Silvio really was not chasing the NBA at this point But was being pushed by the NCAA to the NBA. - -Could you imagine if Silvio DIDF win the appeal? - -Giving us - - Doke - - Silvio - - AND McCormack in the frontline - and then toss Mitch in for backup - -JUMPIN - - GEE - - HOSSA – FATS. - -like they said One way or Another - -The Appeal overturned/ reduce the Penalty - -Deny the appeal - either way it’s time for closure - -for Coach – For Silvio - -For the Fans - -let’s get closure.
Then they talking about RJ - saying as wild as it may seem , if we DO land RJ- -and then land a couple of the Grad Transfers or Enaruna or some kind of combination - that way -as crazy as it may sound there is a Chance we could STILL end up as the Pre-season number 1 ranked team for next year - - Could happen if that turns out.
Then they talked about for all those people who was talking all that trash about how it was time to look for a new Coach and how coach had lost it - -didn’t have that fire. - -you need to STOP - you can’t do better then that? -It’s time for YOU to move on - -not Bill. - -They didn’t say that - - I Did - we don’t need fair weather fans - -this Fan Base has TRUE fans good times – and Bad - Like Matt was saying , with all this team from last year faced - -Lack of leadership - - -The Injuries - - the Adversity - -still end up 26-10 - - STILL making the NCAA - - Still in the hunt for ANOTHER Big 12 Championship going into the final week of the Season - and people wanting to talk crap on Coach? - -Get the Hell out of here with that crap. - you realize how many Schools would give for a 26-10 Season and go to the Tourney - -Mercy - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Thanks for posting this.
I never thought Devon was going to stay in the draft. However, I was a little surprised he got a full combine invite. He can’t shoot it good enough right now to play in the NBA on a consistent basis. I do think that he will be gone after next year though.
I really do hope we hear something about Silvio this week either way. Sivlio, KU, and Coach Self need closure on this and it is about time they get it. I am just under the assumption he will not play until I hear other wise. IF he is able to come back and play that is a huge piece for next years team.
As far as who makes the biggest leap next year I think it will come down too Devon or Dave. it depends on who else we get as far as bigs in recruiting because that will affect Dave’s minutes. If Devon comes back we know he is going to play 30-35 minutes a game. The big rotation is still TBD.
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@jayballer73 I think when talking about Bill, nobody is raising a pitchfork and trying to run him out of town here. But thinking about what other coaches are doing in comparison to Self and how they’re achieving success is a healthy topic. I’m sure it’s something that Self thinks about himself.
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Does it matter if there will be a lot of pt guards in next years draft?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Does it matter if there will be a lot of pt guards in next years draft?
Right, draft position is all relative.
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Woodrow said:
I really do hope we hear something about Silvio this week either way. Sivlio, KU, and Coach Self need closure on this and it is about time they get it.
Didn’t they get closure when the NCAA rules him suspended for 2 years total?
I do concur, we need closure, but not THAT closure.
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@approxinfinity I have never called for Bill to step down either. I do think that we need a new assistant or two - the lack of d for about 4 or 5 years now is troubling.
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Everyone in here surely knows I’m pro-Self. But I would like to see us go all-out in a program based on developing players that will stick around. At the level I am talking about, it goes past schools like Virginia and MSU. Lead the nation in player development. Taking players that would only be a long shot of ever going pro and building them into solid prospects at the next level. Doing that while focusing on team chemistry.
Just having a team that is truly based on executing the game at a high level… not just a bunch of guys who bring their extra long arms and athleticism to the game to compensate for marginal fundamentals. I think the current flow into this style of ball is a negative for the game… a game the founder is part of our legacy.
I do believe this is the best formula for sustaining a winning program. Just look at the OAD situation and the direction it is going in. There is talent jumping higher and running faster every year, and they seem to have less fundamentals… every year.
As a true fan of the game, it gets harder for me to watch this every year. I know how the game should be played… and I’m not seeing it happen like I think it should.
At a certain point… someone needs to step up and defend the game itself. Kansas should be the school, that someone, in my humble opinion.
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drgnslayr said:
Everyone in here surely knows I’m pro-Self. But I would like to see us go all-out in a program based on developing players that will stick around. At the level I am talking about, it goes past schools like Virginia and MSU. Lead the nation in player development. Taking players that would only be a long shot of ever going pro and building them into solid prospects at the next level. Doing that while focusing on team chemistry.
Just having a team that is truly based on executing the game at a high level… not just a bunch of guys who bring their extra long arms and athleticism to the game to compensate for marginal fundamentals. I think the current flow into this style of ball is a negative for the game… a game the founder is part of our legacy.
MSU has a much better natural talent pipeline (Michigan and the surrounding area) plus Nike to help them.
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@drgnslayr we definitely need a solid bench year in and year out, and the only way to achieve that is to recruit solid players that intend to stick around. Those players can be added around and behind one or two five star recruits.
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Marco said:
@drgnslayr we definitely need a solid bench year in and year out, and the only way to achieve that is to recruit solid players that intend to stick around. Those players can be added around and behind one or two five star recruits.
The 2015 class is the one that REALLY got us recently in terms of setting last year up to be bad.
2016 we got Mitch, 2017 Garrett, 2018 Dave and Ochai, 2019 Braun and McBride so far.
This is just talking about players that are expected to be 4 year guys.
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@BShark Yeah, unlike most people I was pretty pumped about the signing of Braun and McBride. They coupled with Garrett and Dave will allow us to build depth.
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Marco said:
@BShark Yeah, unlike most people I was pretty pumped about the signing of Braun and McBride. They coupled with Garrett and Dave will allow us to build depth.
If both stick around, there is every reason to believe they will be major contributors by their JR year.
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Marco said:
@BShark Yeah, unlike most people I was pretty pumped about the signing of Braun and McBride. They coupled with Garrett and Dave will allow us to build depth.
I love McBride’s game. Braun has improved his game over the past year so I’m confident he’ll develop here.
Above everything I respect that they signed into the teeth of the FBI issues. We haven’t seen a single bit of hesitation from them.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Marco said:
@BShark Yeah, unlike most people I was pretty pumped about the signing of Braun and McBride. They coupled with Garrett and Dave will allow us to build depth.
I love McBride’s game. Braun has improved his game over the past year so I’m confident he’ll develop here.
Above everything I respect that they signed into the teeth of the FBI issues. We haven’t seen a single bit of hesitation from them.
Amen.
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I wish we developed players better leads to I wish we had a star to put us over the top. It’s cyclical and it’s EXTREMELY rare to put those two things together. When done it equals final fours and championships.
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I’m not a Duke fan… at all… but I was disappointed in them this year. I didn’t see how they could lose in March, and I loved watching Zion play. I don’t know what the answer was for Duke. Is it just to have another couple experienced players? Then they take minutes away from the star freshmen. Does a team with freshmen starters ever really gel? There is no way they can match the connection of players who have played together for years.
I’ve always supported the idea of a quality 3 and 4-star group with a 5-star or two sprinkled in. But the more I think about that the more I think in order to really gain from that, the 5-star player better be extraordinary. And I’m not talking about athleticism and individual skill set. I’m talking about being able to connect with a new team and gel quickly. Since it is such a leap from high school to college… I think it is rare to find a 5-star player that can offer as much as a less-talented player that has been on the squad for several years.
Does that mean I don’t want us to sign 5-star guys? Ha… I’m addicted to the hype crack like everyone else. Even if my gut says something completely different.
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@BShark makes a great point about the difference between KU and Michigan State. We don’t have a consistent pipeline to draw 50-150 talent from. Lots of kids in that range are either looking to stay closer to home, or looking for PT. KU may not offer either of those things. We have never consistently been able to land those types of players, and if you strike out on those guys you are moving way down the talent pipeline with your recruits.
The Kansas City area doesn’t produce enough players in that range. In order to work, the KC metro would need to produce 2-3 top 150 players every year. That’s just not happening right now. Maybe we could pull off some sort of Texas thing, but even then, we risk losing those kids to TCU or Baylor because its closer to home and more likely that they get to play right away.
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@justanotherfan Thanks. Just looking at their rosters you see so much of their player base is from that area, or Nike funnels like Sunrise in Wichita.
Looking at their upcoming roster which many believe to be one of the best next year.
Cassius Winston - Detroit MI
Mark Watts - Detroit MI
Kyle Ahrens - Ohio
Marcus Bingham - GR MI
Xavier Tillman - GR MI
Foster Loyer - Clarkston MI (I have family including MSU grads and current students from here and this one was over from birth, he would have walked on I firmly believe)
Gabe Brown - MI
Connor George - MI
Aaron Henry - Indiana
Thomas Kithier - MI
Josh Langford - A big outlier, one would assume Nike helped.
Malik Hall - Nike funnel but also was in Illinois before going to Sunrise so fairly local as well.
GR = Grand Rapids which is literally an hour drive from MSU’s campus.
Izzo barely leaves the state and this roster is fantastic. KU could never come close to this even if they somehow hit every hidden gem type from KS and the KC metro (which is impossible btw).
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Looking at that MSU roster, for KU to do the same, they could go as far as maybe St. Louis to the east, the entire state of Kansas, Des Moines and Omaha to the north/northeast, Tulsa, OKC, Little Rock to the south/southeast.
Their roster next year would be Braun, McBride, Ochai, Lightfoot (since his parents were alums) and then we really start searching for scholarship players. And I can’t think of many guys that are currently D1 guys that KU outright missed on locally.
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“BuT wE ArE kAnSas.”
Being near a major basketball player producing state is a giant advantage. Easier to find “hidden gems” among other things. Proof is in the pudding. Self turned Illinois into a Championship caliber team by his 2nd season just from landing kids from Illinois.
We are not located in one of those states. Our local AAU team is a Nike “funneler” as is our local prep school. Recruiting at KU is harder than it “should” be.
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@justanotherfan People love pointing to outliers like Baker, Shamet, Harding etc but as mentioned even if you somehow hit on all those guys (and remember we wanted Mitch Ballock but he wanted to play early) it wouldn’t be enough to field the kind of teams KU fans are accustom to or even typical MSU squads. KU simply has to recruit nationally which limits the pool in ways @Kcmatt7 has mentioned previously.
And yeah excellent point about MOKAN. MOKAN and Sunrise being Nike is super not great. There was a MOKAN coach that HATED KU. Given KU has landed some MOKAN kids recently, maybe he is gone? I don’t follow super closely.
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@justanotherfan I think we should forget about the Midwest and concentrate on the coasts. It CAN be done:
Alonzo Jamison - California
Adonis Jordan - California
Rex Walters - California
Scott Pollard - California
Jacque Vaughn - California
Jerod Haase - California
Eric Chenowith - California
Sasha Kahn - Florida
Russell Robinson - New York
Aaron Miles - Oregon
Morris Twins - Philadelphia
Then throw in a couple of them from Chicago - Sherron Collins, Mario Little and a Billy Thomas from Louisiana.
There’s talent to be found all over the country / world.
This list is in no way all inclusive - there are MANY that I forgot or didn’t have time to research.
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We’d have to add a Cali guy to the Assistant coaching staff.
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@BShark I’m ok with that!
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nuleafjhawk said:
@BShark I’m ok with that!
Honestly Aaron Miles is on my short, short list of future assistants to go after if one moves on. Head Coach of the Warriors G League affiliate now.
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@nuleafjhawk Paul Pierce - California. Not that I agree with you about giving up the Midwest.
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BShark said:
Izzo barely leaves the state and this roster is fantastic. KU could never come close to this even if they somehow hit every hidden gem type from KS and the KC metro (which is impossible btw).
Your point about the ease of getting recruits has made me think… A. you’re absolutely right. B. Kansas needs to be a market disruptor to recruit 50-100 nationally. I would like to know if. KU could do a better job distributing it’s brand to the youth nationally. In my kids rec league here in VA we have several college team names in our league, some differ each year, some remain the same. We have had a Duke, the VA teams, a couple national teams, Texas twice for instance. Being a coach I mentioned KU. They said one person mentioned it once before but they never did it. How do we have Texas but not Kansas, and how huge is it to put Kansas on a kids youth jersey ? Is there a way we can distribute the brand better?
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@Marco I did say to forget about the Midwest, huh? Should have said don’t restrict ourselves to the MW exclusively.
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Going back to Cali? Roy did well there. I’m cool with that too as long as we don’t also go back to Roy’s every other year recruiting style.
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@nuleafjhawk I’m not sure if you did or not. I was not trying to call you out or anything. But do agree - though we still need to recruit it - that the midwest has not been too kind lately.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
nuleafjhawk said:
@BShark I’m ok with that!
Honestly Aaron Miles is on my short, short list of future assistants to go after if one moves on. Head Coach of the Warriors G League affiliate now.
very nice - would be a nice addition. Would have to agree
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The biggest thing in our recruitment is that we have to recruit nationally because we do not have enough high D1 level talent to allow us to just recruit locally. We should be looking for the Perry Ellis’ and the like, but we have to be a national recruiting force because we just don’t have enough guys to fill a roster.
But the challenge with this is that when you recruit lower ranked guys (40-150 rank), you have to factor in geography because that is one of the things that those recruits are considering.
Fully half of the guys ranked 41-100 on ESPN are heading to a “local” school. We would be competing with a school like UMass for a kid from Rhode Island, or trying to convince a kid from Spokane not to go to Gonzaga. That’s a tough sell.
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It appears Silvio is not going to show up for the G League combine. THE PLOT THICKENS.
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BShark said:
It appears Silvio is not going to show up for the G League combine. THE PLOT THICKENS.
Hmmm , time to stir the pot. - -Anyone thinking this might bode well for us - - may be something about ready to break? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I definitely see this as a positive.
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@BShark I said that already🥴
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@BShark forgot
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Rj one I think
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Kcmatt7 said:
Rj one I think
Oh, so never finding it now then HA.
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@BShark so why would Silvio turn down a G league invite, no matter what? How do we know for sure he got an invite? Article in kc star. Also, looks like him and his guardian/whatever you call him are still on good terms.
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He was absolutely invited. He was on previous lists of expected attendants. And well, yeah of course he is.
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@BShark why wouldn’t he go? Hurt?
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@nuleafjhawk Embiid and DeSousa from the West Coast…of Africa.
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KU now the co-favorite with Memphis for RJ Hampton. Both 43% chance. All 5 “experts” today predicted him to go to Kansas.
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@BShark your opinion?
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Just a guess. Silvio doesn’t need the G League combine because overseas is the plan. For all we know he got a good offer.
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@FarmerJayhawk makes sense, guess they heard bad news
