Sean Miller & Will Wade to be Subpoenaed at upcoming Trial
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CoreyBill said:
Hated Arizona for Josiah Turner (cough BUST) and Tarczewski (useless, stone hands) but what I hate about them the most are the fans that follow them. And man did they like talking sht about Kansas paying players…Welp
We lost Turner but that led to us landing Tharpe … perhaps the classic no win situation.
Tarc? Uh, LL.
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CoreyBill said:
@dylan it’s a joke from the old theshiver vs PGU days. Old school internet trolling nonsense. No different than fans on twitter nowadays. D Seedy underbelly of the fan base used to infiltrate our boards constantly. 7 or 8 years later, it all seems pretty silly
Oh jeez, I remember that. That was right about when they got on a recruiting roll and we were in the doldrums. And then 2013 happened and all was well again before 247 bought The Shiver.
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Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
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Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Still has his job right??
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BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Still has his job right??
for now. - - enevitable his noose is COOKED - - - deep fat friend and Roasted - - -just a matter of time
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Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
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bcjayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape “I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean’s the one that fronted that deal”.
Bam
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Some wild stuff again on Will Wade.
Book Richardson says LSU coach offered him a job to help with recruitment of Naz Reid. Per Richardson, “look there’s a deal in place”. “I got $300,000 for him”. Richardson, “I said give me half and I’ll make sure the kid goes there”
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BeddieKU23 said:
bcjayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape “I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean’s the one that fronted that deal”.
Bam
Dam - -Boo-Ya - -you think how this effects them in the end? - -how many commits jump ship? - if this turns out how it looks
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BeddieKU23 said:
Some wild stuff again on Will Wade.
Book Richardson says LSU coach offered him a job to help with recruitment of Naz Reid. Per Richardson, “look there’s a deal in place”. “I got $300,000 for him”. Richardson, “I said give me half and I’ll make sure the kid goes there”
Seems like a strong ass offer to me!
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BeddieKU23 said:
bcjayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape “I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean’s the one that fronted that deal”.
Bam
Oh,…okay then…
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BeddieKU23 said:
bcjayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape “I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean’s the one that fronted that deal”.
Bam
Cc: Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
bcjayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape “I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean’s the one that fronted that deal”.
Bam
Cc: Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji
Poor nnaji for signing on the dot early
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
bcjayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape “I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean’s the one that fronted that deal”.
Bam
Cc: Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji
And for the record I’d rather have Hampton and walker
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
bcjayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today…
Any details you can share?
Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape “I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean’s the one that fronted that deal”.
Bam
Dam - -Boo-Ya - -you think how this effects them in the end? - -how many commits jump ship? - if this turns out how it looks
No idea. I dont want their guys anymore. Hampton and Walker are better
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Book Richardson was paying so many recruits he had to tap into his retirement. The NCAA cant be bothered tho. They bout them edjumacation and amatzerism life
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If you think that KU re-uping with Adidas is a bad look you should quit watching college basketball knowing the NCAA cant be bothered to attend or acknowledge what’s being revealed in court this past week. #Keeponbelieving
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The hammer should be coming soon now. Sean Miller’s former assistant Book Richardson told Christian Dawkins on a phone call intercepted by wiretaps that Miller was paying Deandre Ayton 10k a month while enrolled at Arizona.
If Arizona turns a blind eye this time there is no hope for this sport
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This is still all hearsay right?
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@BeddieKU23 I am SHOCKED. /s
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BShark said:
This is still all hearsay right?
No smoking gun per se but my gods. Not sure how much plausible deniability they have left over there.
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No wonder Book just plead guilty lol.
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What the hell does a college kid need 10k a month for?
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@BigBad Textbooks.
Hence, Book Richardson.
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Christian Dawkins is testifying in his defense currently. Should be some more gold to come from this
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Dawkins said Izzo told him he was NOT going to pay for Bowen.
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BShark said:
This is still all hearsay right?
I guess technically but how many people need to say the same thing before its no longer such.
Book has said he made 250k and was paying players with his retirement.
Dawkins has said he had unlimited reach to the program including practices.
Book on tape with Dawkins discussing paying Rawle Alkins, Quinnerly, Deandre Ayton among others.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The hammer should be coming soon now. Sean Miller’s former assistant Book Richardson told Christian Dawkins on a phone call intercepted by wiretaps that Miller was paying Deandre Ayton 10k a month while enrolled at Arizona.
If Arizona turns a blind eye this time there is no hope for this sport
WOW
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
This is still all hearsay right?
I guess technically but how many people need to say the same thing before its no longer such.
Book has said he made 250k and was paying players with his retirement.
Dawkins has said he had unlimited reach to the program including practices.
Book on tape with Dawkins discussing paying Rawle Alkins, Quinnerly, Deandre Ayton among others.
I think I recall someone who I think is a lawyer posting that the information obtained via the wiretaps is considered by the court as hearsay. If that is the case, the number of times the information is repeated has no effect on the court’s position.
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Pete Thamel wrote an article asking how Sean can keep his job. Arizona fans are all over him on Twitter, claiming KU and Self are far worse off. Total denial Sean did anything wrong, claiming it’s all “hearsay”. Very entertaining.
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bcjayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
This is still all hearsay right?
I guess technically but how many people need to say the same thing before its no longer such.
Book has said he made 250k and was paying players with his retirement.
Dawkins has said he had unlimited reach to the program including practices.
Book on tape with Dawkins discussing paying Rawle Alkins, Quinnerly, Deandre Ayton among others.
I think I recall someone who I think is a lawyer posting that the information obtained via the wiretaps is considered by the court as hearsay. If that is the case, the number of times the information is repeated has no effect on the court’s position.
You could be right, in court its hearsay. What’s Arizona going to do? Find a hole and stay there? They can’t avoid this.
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Dawkins took the stand.
https://sports.yahoo.com/how-christian-dawkins-exposed-college-amateurism-231944769.html
Pete Thamel on Sean Miller
https://sports.yahoo.com/how-much-longer-can-arizona-employ-sean-miller-234649798.html
At least Arizona sent some people. The NCAA is on some Yacht somehwere
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““I’ve hoped this from Day 1, that coaches are held accountable and consequences are according to what they do,” Izzo said. “But I think players should be held accountable, I think parents should be held accountable. Accountable shouldn’t be a one-person deal – we all should be held accountable. And that’s what I’d like to see.””
“Flat out refused to pay for a recruit!”
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@drgnslayr but who’s accountable for all the rapes reported by the past bb players and ast coach I believe?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@drgnslayr but who’s accountable for all the rapes reported by the past bb players and ast coach I believe?
Oh man. Brutal! Right on @Crimsonorblue22 !
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So how is Izzo accountable for the stupid, criminal acts of thug players? If one of our players rapes a girl, it’s Self’s fault?
I don’t recall any info that Izzo didn’t cooperate, or tried to cover anything up.
The coach deal (grad assistant I think) was a non issue.
Perhaps we should applaud Izzo for not doing what our program has permitted to occur, and apparently took part in.
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@HighEliteMajor Izzo may not be responsible for directly for a player’s actions, but he is responsible for how he handles the matter when it happens and there’s been plenty of stories of MSU admins looking the other way in regards student athletes committing sexual assault. Tom Izzo works for the school that allowed Larry Nassar to happen.
Izzo’s hands are not clean and I also think it’s very naive to think MSU has never had a player funneled to them by Nike. Just because Izzo refused to get involved with Brian Bowen, doesn’t mean he hasn’t been involved with other players.
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Kids aren’t going to play for MSU for free.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 The MSU football program is super dirty as well.
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@BShark Their entire athletic department is.
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@HighEliteMajor Those things are mutually exclusive. You can appreciate if he didn’t condone paying players, while still acknowledging that some sh-- went down at MSU with the treatment of women that it seems Izzo didn’t want to have anything to do with. His statements after the fact were dismissive. And his grad student was permitted to stay on staff after punching a girl in the face for telling him to f— off. Later, he sexually assaulted another woman.
This is not a good look.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 @BShark Amazing how much inside knowledge the two of you have.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 @BShark Amazing how much inside knowledge the two of you have.
I’ve brought this up before but multiple members of my extended family are MSU grads and donors. Two first cousins going there right now. I don’t know everything obviously, but hell I have more real info about MSU than I ever get before anyone else about KU.
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@HighEliteMajor It’s amazing all the information that comes out during a trial about a school when their head athletic trainer goes to prison for sexually assaulting minors.
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You guys need your own MSU site. I mean to report all the dirt you know about.
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What I take from Izzo… is Izzo has things tight enough (including his statements) to stay out of trouble.
You get a group of people together and crimes are always going to be there. (see Catholic Church)
And concerning college sports… the system is dirty. It’s built to play “gotcha” on every school. I think it is the way it is just to empower the NCAA. What school doesn’t fear a NCAA investigation? It’s the same system used by dictators. Hitler used this system. He made it impossible for his cabinet to play by the rules and would periodically slaughter his own just to keep in full power. I hate to mention his name but the parallels are there.
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The NCAA isn’t Hitler but it’s definitely a cartel. It has a set of rules, power, and if you don’t buy the rules you can’t be in business and the NCAA will bury you. All on unpaid labor.
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@FarmerJayhawk That is just not true. The NCAA is not a cartel as the term is used. You can start a minor league BB league right now. In fact the NCAA invites competition. The NCAA is not able to stop you from competing anyway. The NCAA doesn’t work to limit supply. OPEC is a cartel. They utilize international law to avoid antitrust enforcement. And requires memeber participation. Unions are also more close to cartel status as they seek to eliminate the ability of workers to earn a living without being a member of the union, and to set prices in a manner that is anti-competitive.
Here, the NCAA allows participation by players by offering specific benefits. Much different. There is no requirement that the players accept, and the players are free to ply their trade anywhere else without repercussion. And as mentioned, no one is prohibited from starting a league that targets the same players and directly competes.
An X factor in the equation is that CBB is not the only sport governed by the NCAA. They work to fund millions of athletes in other non revenue sports. The benefit to student athletes is immeasurable. It is laughable to listen to NCAA bashers who completely ignore the millions of athletes that have received free education by participating in the various sports they love — its really quite amazing to think that you can be a good rower and get your education paid for.
So while it is fashionable to bash the NCAA, that argument completely lacks merit. It’s one forwarded by anti-CBB commentator Jay Bilas. But like many in the media, they offfer their comments in a forum free from debate, or where someone can point out their errors.
If CBB players skills were so valuable, why isn’t there a league that pays them high dollar to participate? Newsflash - it’s not the players that create the value. It is the schools (KU), their identity (Jayhawks), it is the facilities (AFH) — the players don’t really matter. Miles, Chalmers, Taylor, Mason, Dotson. Just place holders.
And that’s the difference most ignore. In college sports, the interest is not largely created by the individual players, but it is most created by the tie to the University.
How much interest would there be if the KC Hawks (with KU’s roster) played the Durham Devils (with Duke’s roster) played at the Sprint center? With other similar teams in a league? Virtuallly zero.
So don’t forget what the NCAA offers us, the fan. But the irrational bashing won’t stop.
