Official Player Declarations Thread
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wissox said:
I never gave Cheick Diallo a chance based on what we saw here, but he’s putting together a decent off the bench season. Oubre, must be hurt now, but he was one of our best former Hawks in the league. Hard for me to tell sometimes who’s gonna make it and who’s not.
Self just blew it with a top 5 player (Diallo). A classic Self screw up. Players that other top coaches would embrace and incorporate, Self finds an excuse to go with low talent. One of Self’s low moments and it may have cost him a NC.
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@HighEliteMajor My memory is of Cheick being a very raw talent, not ready for prime time. It was a few years back, I’m not going to argue a point I don’t remember much about, but my memory was not of Cheick being a key cog in a National Championship run.
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@wissox diallo is just now figuring it out, he needed a lot of time. I think he’ll be in the league awhile though!
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@wissox He was well ready for prime time. Just needed PT to get there. Back then, folks argued with me claiming players didn’t improve during game action. Self went with his security blanket. Now Self sings a different tune. He plays a much worse player (Grimes) all season. Revisit the Nova EE game. They were able to take away Ellis, ignore LL.
We had zero rim protection with LL. Diallo had nearly four times the blocks per 40 than LL.
Diallo had a PER of 20.5. Let that sink in. There is no way to refute his production.
LL was a rebounder. Take time and compare their rebounds per 40 min. He just needed minutes to get acclimated. He needed some patience. Self gave him neither.
Diallo went to the NBA. He isn’t now just figuring it out. LL still in the BB mecca of Japan? Laughable.
He was a top 5 player. Self blew it.
It’s simply perpetuating a myth to claim that Diallo wasn’t ready. It’s indefensible.
Self played Charlie Moore more than twice the minutes as Diallo. Diallo only got 202 min all year.
It was an absolute travesty of coaching incompetence.
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@HighEliteMajor
I’m pretty sure Self would have used Diallo this year!
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@approxinfinity Diallo was a bit the type of step out big that is now the rage. Not to three range but he could hit the 15 footer. LL was a serviceable sloth. On a KU roster with LL and Traylor is not a place any big would want to be … at least a few years ago. I think Self would do it differently now if the same situation presented itself.
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I’m confused.
Why beat a dead horse in front of the choir you’ve been preaching to for years while claiming to turn over a new leaf?
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Dedric gone according to Goodman. In the least surprising news of the year
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Come on down, literally anyone that can play the 4 and stretch the court. Dont know who it will be
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BeddieKU23 said:
Come on down, literally anyone that can play the 4 and stretch the court. Dont know who it will be
Hurt
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Well, Self certainly has minutes for him.
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@BShark Getting a top recruit is huge right now, while we languish in NCAA/Adidas/Self-created limbo.
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Oubre is one of the most maddening OADs we’ve had IMO. He was interviewed and ran his mouth before the WSU game and then just stood around. I definitely remember twice where we had a run started and he just flat out refused to get on the floor for a couple of balls and we in turn didn’t get them. Diallo’s athletic ability was never in question, dude just had to learn how to ball, him and Selby are both first rounders of they stay for another year IMO.
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@kjayhawks Diallo and Selby are mine. If Diallo stays for 16-17 we absolutely run everyone. We start NPOY Frank and designated sniper Devonte, then the fun starts. We can go small and start Svi at the 3, Josh at the 4, and Cheick at the 5, or Josh at the 3, Cheick at the 4, and Landen at the 5. Either way we’re great. And you’d still have Bragg and Doke as your backup bigs. Cheick would’ve been the perfect matchup for Jordan Bell and Oregon. What could’ve been.
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https://twitter.com/dsmoove1_2many/status/1115263617396563969?s=21
Officially official
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Opening Post has been updated to reflect D. Lawson’s departure.
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Rock Chalk to Dedric. Had I known him longer I think I’d be more mushy now. I was sad to see Perry retire a Jayhawk after 35 years of playing basketball at AFH. Another guy with old man game. Perry also had a great sense of humor. Loved his vine account. I digress.
Dedric were the man this year, and it’s a shame we didn’t have more pieces to compliment him. I have been a harsh critic, but I wish him the best. He’s conducted himself with class, and I echo his sentiment. Jayhawk for life! Thanks and Rock Chalk.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@kjayhawks Diallo and Selby are mine. If Diallo stays for 16-17 we absolutely run everyone. We start NPOY Frank and designated sniper Devonte, then the fun starts. We can go small and start Svi at the 3, Josh at the 4, and Cheick at the 5, or Josh at the 3, Cheick at the 4, and Landen at the 5. Either way we’re great. And you’d still have Bragg and Doke as your backup bigs. Cheick would’ve been the perfect matchup for Jordan Bell and Oregon. What could’ve been.
You make the assumption that Self would have started him over LL. Logical in all worlds except the one we live. I have zero faith that would have occurred. Diallo was the perfect match vs Nova in the 16 EE. And he sat. NC chance down the drain.
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HighEliteMajor said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@kjayhawks Diallo and Selby are mine. If Diallo stays for 16-17 we absolutely run everyone. We start NPOY Frank and designated sniper Devonte, then the fun starts. We can go small and start Svi at the 3, Josh at the 4, and Cheick at the 5, or Josh at the 3, Cheick at the 4, and Landen at the 5. Either way we’re great. And you’d still have Bragg and Doke as your backup bigs. Cheick would’ve been the perfect matchup for Jordan Bell and Oregon. What could’ve been.
You make the assumption that Self would have started him over LL. Logical in all worlds except the one we live. I have zero faith that would have occurred. Diallo was the perfect match vs Nova in the 16 EE. And he sat. NC chance down the drain.
We would’ve gone with 2 bigs, Cheick and Landen.
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@FarmerJayhawk I don’t know. You have more faith than I do. But my opinion, no team is winning a national title starting a LL at center. As discussed back in the day, ATHLETE – LL just had matchups where he was horribly exposed. '16 Nova, '17 Oregon as examples. You know, the most important games of the season.
Back when LL was on the team, I think we looked back over Self’s tenure and could only locate maybe one NC team with a similar post handicap, thinking Louisville maybe 2013? My LL/Traylor notebook is in storage maybe.
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PJ Washington _ UK Jared Harper - Auburn
Both declared today.
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Notable not declaration: Ashton Hagans.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Notable not declaration: Ashton Hagans.
Lack of a jump shot seems like something that may keep him another year in KY. Just wonder how him and Maxey will coexist though
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BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Notable not declaration: Ashton Hagans.
Lack of a jump shot seems like something that may keep him another year in KY. Just wonder how him and Maxey will coexist though
It does seem like an unforeseen circumstance. I have to think one of him or Quickley is not on that roster in a year.0
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Grimes is at least testing, and probably gone for good.
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https://twitter.com/themattgalloway/status/1116099012250279937?s=21
Quote from Self. He’s gone for good.
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I don’t believe this to be a smart move on Grimes part but Good luck to him. Remember we are jayhawks everyone, I hate when I see our fans bashing our guys social media.
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@kjayhawks Is this social media?
I bash the continued failure of Self bringing in presumed OADs. This was a complete failure. A complete waste of time.
I sure wish Grimes would have stayed.
The presumed use of KU as a pit stop has NEVER paid the anticipated dividends for KU, except maybe JJ — but there was no FF even there.
We need to focus on non-OADs, and commit to those non-OADs that we will never recruit over them with a presumed OAD. But I’ve said that for quite a while now.
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@HighEliteMajor No, this is not social media lol and I agree that the OADs have mostly been failures here. I just don’t like seeing people target these young guys for following their dreams even if I disagree with the Decision. Dook fans have been hammering, I mean hammering bad at RJ Barrett for turning pro. We are better than that.
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@kjayhawks agree 100%. I honestly not sure he even gets drafted. If he wants to move on and pursue his dream then so be it.
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@kjayhawks I agree 100% too. Everyone is should be entitled to make money, leave college, do what they want, when they want.
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It’s his choice, but it sure seems like an unbelievably stupid one.
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@HighEliteMajor “We need to focus on non-OADs, and commit to those non-OADs that we will never recruit over them with a presumed OAD. But I’ve said that for quite a while now.”
I’m in 100% ageeement. Welcome to the G league Quentin… at best. Here’s betting that he will never see a full season on an NBA court.
When self and the staff go recruiting, listen to the messages coming from the family. and if it’s all about playing their kid playing pro ball as fast as possible, move along.
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…and my love affair with college b-ball continues to die a long, slow death.
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How will KU recover from losing the actual worst rotation player on the team?
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@Blown Well compared to anything else, it appears we may have to hang in there …( maybe the chiefs will win the super bowl next year… ? ) there are still players who come here for the right reasons… there still is SOME good. Dook, Kentucky and North Carolina did not even make the final four. !! (Trying to cheer you up…) The greatest OAD in many years, Zion the Marketable, with a STUD cast around him, couldn’t put dook in the final four.
Self said he is more energized than ever. Let’s see what kind of coaching and leading he can pull off now. I doubt too many top 25 kids will pick us what with the ncaa cloud. F em… We still have some KU guys who will most likely play 3 or 4 years… we will get to see them at senior nite !! Let’s go get hungry guys who will bleed crimson and blue. No more Grimes types, PLEASE… a 19 yr old who has been given spectacularly bad advice from his fam and circle.
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Let’s talk about noted KU fan RJ Hampton. We should pay what it takes.
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4 guys now either gone to the draft or transferring. Maybe more to come. I can’t believe I’m saying this but is this a situation where there is smoke there is fire? Do these kids know that KU is going to be in some sort of legal trouble this year. Please let that just be my paranoia.
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At the beginning of the season, Grimes was the player I was most excited to see in a jersey. Now he’s the probable departure I feel most ambivalent about. If he’s gone, meh. I’ll regret all the time I spent screaming at him to move his butt on D and go get a rebound.
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@joeloveshawks They were all leaving anyway.
The FBI crap did cost us JRE though.
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@BShark who is JRE?
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We invested an entire year for nothing with Grimes. Nothing. No return investment. If anything the perception of a OAD having a poor year at KU again or whatever it will say does enough damage. Oh well. KU doesnt ever have enough successful NBA Players to cover the ones like Grimes and many others over the years. Just get out of the game of these kids.
As I’ve suspected when he was pre season top 10 the outside influences got into q and his family, maybe even before. No matter the season he was going to leave.
I wish him luck. He goes down as a huge bust given the commitment. Some kids are not ready to be stars off the bat. Another season could have helped both sides. Instead we again lose a player early that has a real uphill battle at an NBA career
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joeloveshawks said:
4 guys now either gone to the draft or transferring. Maybe more to come. I can’t believe I’m saying this but is this a situation where there is smoke there is fire? Do these kids know that KU is going to be in some sort of legal trouble this year. Please let that just be my paranoia.
I don’t think so. This was always a possibility entering the season. The only departure so far that wasn’t really discussed back in the summer was Moore. Both Lawson’s were discussed as a possibility, Grimes was an assumed OAD, and Doke and SDS were also discussed as possible early exits as well.
This is just playing put as worst case scenario for maximum departures.
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there is SATILL a possibility for 2 more. IF that turns out to be the case - -that is SEVEN available that’s insane. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Amen.
Between these one-and-dones and the situational officiating, I’ve really become cynical.
I even picked Virginia to win the NC because I figured the NCAA would want to take the sting out of last year’s historic loss and get an exciting story line.
Virginia was not the best team in their conference, and I don’t think you can even say that they “caught lightening in a bottle” in March and rode a wave to the championship.
No, that was more Texas Tech, which won the first 4 games by a huge 15 pt average margin of victory. And then beat Mich State by 10.
Virginia’s average margin of Victory for the first 4 games was 9.5. Then they beat Auburn by 1.
Yet somehow, Virginia won it all.
In Wednesday’s WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-most-unlikely-story-ever-how-virginia-pulled-off-the-improbableagain-11554817507 An article was devoted to the statistical anomaly of Virginia’s late game comebacks:
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Virginia beat Purdue after trailing by 3 points with 17 seconds left, when they had a 9% chance of winning. They had to hit a shot as time expired to force overtime. “No team that would go on to win a national championship in at least the last decade had ever come back from such an improbable position in the tournament.”
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Next game they had a 4% chance of winning. Auburn led 61-57 with 17 seconds left, and by 2 points with 1 second left. Of course, the foul on the 3-pt attempt bailed out Virginia.
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In the championship vs Texas Tech, win probability was 11.7% when Virginia was down 3 with 22 seconds left.
Chances of pulling off all three comebacks (9%, 4% and 11.7%) in succession is 0.04% – roughly 1 in 2500.
But that’s just to win the championship.
Consider how likely it is to be the first 1-seed to lose to a 16-seed and then win the championship the next year – not to mention, to do it in such an unlikely way.
I’m kind of an Ocham’s razor kind of guy. Is the most likely explanation of this the “natural randomness of life”, or is it that things were unnaturally nudged?
Or maybe God just loves Virginia Basketball.
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BShark said:
How will KU recover from losing the actual worst rotation player on the team?
Qharlie Grimoore?
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@bskeet great post! I do think Tony Bennett had those guys defying all odds. Its the sign of a great coach. Much like KU down 9 with 2 minutes to go against Memphis. Bill Self and his players never burned so bright.
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Updated the OP to reflect Grimes’ seemingly all-in declaration to move on and try to play in the NBA. Thats 4 Open spots to fill that aren’t spoken for yet and high likelihood of at least one more. Yikes.
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@RockkChalkk 2 of them are spoken for.
