It was a good run. Thank you Jayhawks.
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BShark said:
I kinda saw this coming which is why I didn’t watch the TTU game or join the game thread here. At this point just don’t get swept by KSU. Rock Chalk.
Thank GOD – Precious wasn’t court side to see this old fashion ass whuppin. – - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I was thinking about this last night. In my mind, nothing has changed. I didn’t think we’d win this game anyways. Seeing KU come out that flat is disappointing, especially given how well we had been playing and on extra rest. You’d have thought we would come out with a little more gusto. You’d of that thought, right?
Is it possible Self sent KU out flat against Tech and just threw in the flag before the game even started? Did we even spend the week preparing for Tech? In reality, we faced a team that hadn’t beaten us at home in almost a decade, we already beat in Lawrence, and in front of a sold out home crowd in prime time…Do we really want to burn ourselves out in a game we could still loose and then turn around and play KSU at home?
Obviously, we still need things to fall our way but in the four remaining games, we have our 2 toughest at home. In my mind, KSU’s games against Baylor and TCU are no gimmies. Both teams still have opportunities to vastly improve their line with the selection committee. Baylor and TCU could be ranked by the end of the season if they close well. Point is, these teams are playing for more than finishing 6th or 7th in the Big 12.
All that being said, we have to beat KSU on Monday. I’m picturing this awesome hype video documenting the “miracle moments” we’ve had over the years to keep the streak going. Flash forward into some nice highlights from this season, and then ending with the Avengers Infinity war scene were Dr. Strange is like, there’s only one outcome where we win, Lawrence erupts! Wish I knew more about video production… All I’m saying is it’s not over folks. Anyone throwing in the towel today is doing so prematurely. The streak could still end, and it may. But, there are still meaningful games left to be played. Let’s see them play out. Thank you, that is all. Rock Chalk.
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@user_RCJH Nice post. You’re channeling some inner @jaybate-1-0 there — wondering if Self purposefully sent them out flat. This is one area I always disagreed with him about. You play to win the game. Zero chance Self purposefully did anything to compromise our chances to win. I have never bought that thought process.
TT is really good. We are not a mentally tough team. Something that might be expected with a group of freshmen.
This loss was completely IN character.
Note - We play zero games on the road in the NCAA tourney. All neutral. And we’ll always have fans. March could still be fun, or we could exit meekly to a 13 seed in round one.
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KU is now a football school.
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@BShark may have to be if the NCAA hits us hard
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@kjayhawks Plus donors do change. Maybe some new blood money prefers football. Idk. Sure seems like KU is trying more in football now.
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Guys, we have a home win streak to protect!
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BShark said:
@kjayhawks Plus donors do change. Maybe some new blood money prefers football. Idk. Sure seems like KU is trying more in football now.
that’s not necessarily a bad thing we could use a little more interest
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BShark said:
@kjayhawks Plus donors do change. Maybe some new blood money prefers football. Idk. Sure seems like KU is trying more in football now.
We’re trying harder in everything in the AD. Long is adding support staff to all sports and going to upgrade the quality of coaches in at least one, maybe 2-3 sports over the next year. Fun time to be a Jayhawk unless one is a basketball t-shirt only fan.
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As I started facing some reality, I began to watch our ranking and seeding drop. But, I found a little glimmer of hope. We will likely end somewhere between #15-20. We will likely be a 6 or 7 ish seed in the tourney. I’m a little encouraged because we are not the hunted, but the hunter. I would not want to be a 1-4 seed facing KU. KU is an extremely dangerous team with all our weaknesses. So, yes, all pressure is off this young team. To hell with the conference and no #1 or #2 seed pressure. Just go out loose and have fun. Learn and return ready for next year. What were we ranked in 1988? Did we win the conference that year? hmm…
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@HighEliteMajor I always agreed with Jaybate on this. Maybe Self didn’t “send them out flat,” but if the weeks preparation centered on KSU, then it would be pretty clear what the message was.
Regardless, you’re almost making my point for me with your comment about this team being fragile-which i agree. Of the remaining games of the season, this game had the highest degree of difficulty. If I’m Self, I’m just not wasting my energy on this game. Because if we do loose in spectacular fashion (a la on a last second buzzer beater of a highly fought and contested game), the potential exist to go on a 2-3 game skid. Either way, there are still some meaningful games to be played. Should be a fun!
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@kjayhawks Plus donors do change. Maybe some new blood money prefers football. Idk. Sure seems like KU is trying more in football now.
We’re trying harder in everything in the AD. Long is adding support staff to all sports and going to upgrade the quality of coaches in at least one, maybe 2-3 sports over the next year. Fun time to be a Jayhawk unless one is a basketball t-shirt only fan.
Great to hear. The football program has been a huge embarrassment that was going to potentially hurt KU when realignment came up again. Just having it be respectable would be huge.
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This run is not over. The streak may be, but we still have opponents rushing the court anytime we lose so our relevance is still there.
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@KansasComet and you will never, ever find Jayhawks storming the court!
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@KansasComet I would submit that Kansas Basketball will never ever be irrelevant. The history itself will never allow this. The streak has not built our relevance. Our relevance has built the streak. And it will remain long after this current storm is gone.
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I can’t help myself…Looking at the remaings schedules, there is still a decent chance of a 3 way tie for first. Ku ksu and TT 13-5.
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I will gladly eat crow if we somehow end up sharing the title.
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@truehawk93 Unless we somewhat collapse, I don’t think we will drop to a 6 or a 7. Most had us as a 3 prior to TT. 4-5 is probably more likely…obviously depending on how we look going forward.
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Fightsongwriter said:
I can’t help myself…Looking at the remaings schedules, there is still a decent chance of a 3 way tie for first. Ku ksu and TT 13-5.
Yes…we need to win and have KSU lose again…maybe TCU? And TT needs to lose to the Clones…don’t know how to look at that game now. But we also have to win the OU and OSU road games…yikes.
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@approxinfinity please rename site to kupigskin dot com
Hawk8086 said:
@truehawk93 Unless we somewhat collapse, I don’t think we will drop to a 6 or a 7. Most had us as a 3 prior to TT. 4-5 is probably more likely…obviously depending on how we look going forward.
Correct.
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I think Coach wishes he had put all his energies into preparing for Silo Tech, but he didn’t, and we got beat by 30, and now we’re looking at the end of a barrel of a gun … with an Elite 8 team … leading the conference … with an 80 year old chip on their shoulder. So, our backs are clearly against the wall. This is the biggest game of the year. Does this team have the maturity to make a stand in a must win game two days after getting smoked? Last game against the Apes, our defense was so poor, we had to go to zone. So, who’s going to step up for us, and go out and win it for us? Who is the leader of the team?
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@wrwlumpy I recommend Arthur Bryant’s Rich and Spicy sauce to go with that crow!
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Saturday wasn’t even rock bottom. They will rally tonight, I think. I hope.
But wait til Saturday in the annual thumping we take in Stillwater.
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You just have to hope Bill doesn’t write off Saturday as a fluke.
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I don’t want to think about the conference at this point just want to think about winning tonight. KSU hasn’t swept us in a regular season series since 1983, we will find out a ton about this team tonight with how they respond to the beat down they just got.
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kjayhawks said:
I don’t want to think about the conference at this point just want to think about winning tonight. KSU hasn’t swept us in a regular season series since 1983, we will find out a ton about this team tonight with how they respond to the beat down they just got.
This is where I am at. In order to have a chance to share the title this team would have to win two road games. The same amount they have won all season!
If this team has any heart and fight in them tonight should be there best game of the season.
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Vegas has KU winning by 4-1/2.
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bcjayhawk said:
Vegas has KU winning by 4-1/2.
Would take.
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I’ll take any type of win, Dedric throwing it up from half court even. Just win
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Hawk8086 said:
@truehawk93 Unless we somewhat collapse, I don’t think we will drop to a 6 or a 7. Most had us as a 3 prior to TT. 4-5 is probably more likely…obviously depending on how we look going forward.
We are ranked 15 and 16 respectively. Most have us at a 3 seed? Our resume may improve our seeding a bit. We beat MSU and Tennessee. Those wins may raise us from a 6 to a possible 5.
If we can hang around 12-15 or better, we could be a 3 and possibly a 2. But it will depend on the OU, OSU, BU games. It will also depend on the B12 tourney.
But our bad loss was WVU by 1pt. The ASU loss will hurt too, but not a bad loss. This may hurt our seeding. By a cancellation or wash, I see us ending roughly around a 4 ish. IF we remain strong and win out. IF we win the B12, that may bump our earnings to the #2-3 seed or #1-4 seed pending remaining performance.
This is where our pre-season resume will help a great deal and the other fans are going to beeotch. Kitty kitties are going to scream like little girls, but their pre-season was weak. Likewise, TT’s pre-season was weak too.
I’m being really generous with the purple pussies only b/c they are B12. I must say Weber was an idiot Monday. Gawd his players make him look good. He was a moron and clueless and Bilas called his 2 foul rule stupid. What coach benches a player with 2 fouls the remainder of a half? He’s a fool. Weber lost that game. He was lost and running into refs and players begging for mercy calls.
1- Gonzaga
1- Virginia
1- UK
1-UNC
2-Puke (2UK, 8Aub, 12TT)
2-KU (10MSU, 17Nova, 5Tenn)
2-MSU (17UCLA, 18Iowa)
2-Vols (1Zags) media loves Rick Barnes right now
3-Michigan(8Nova, 11UNC) writers love Michigan
3-TT (11KU)* They played Puke tough on a neutral court, non-con weak, being in B12 will help seeding
3-Houston (18Oregon, 25Cin)
3-Marquette (solid wins over 12KSU, 12Wis)
4-KSU (13KU)* Their non-con sucked
4-Nevada (20ASU)
4-LSU
4-Purdue
*Conference
Self is a master at non-con games and wins. It really does boost your resume for off seasons like this season.
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Almost all bracketologist have KU as a 4 seed right now from what I’ve seen.
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I think Houston has a let down as well as Marquette to free up that 3 seed. But we still have to tcob and I’m not sure we can
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@truehawk93 Please understand that I have no respect for Bruce Weber as a Coach, but a LOT of coaches bench players with 2 fouls for the remainder of the first half. LOTS.
I personally think it’s not that smart, but it happens very frequently.
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@nuleafjhawk Agree…it happens all the time.
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I cannot for the life of me figure out how Marquette would be a #3 seed over KU. The difference in conference strength is not even close this year. The Big East is a 3-4 bid league tops this year while the Big-12 will likely put 7-8 teams in. Marquette has good wins- Lousville, Kansas St, Wisconsin, Buffalo, Nova. We have common opponent wins against Nova K-St plus a win over Marquette on Neutral floor. Maybe the edge is in the lack of bad loses for Marquette & a better road record…
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@nuleafjhawk @Hawk8086 It’s one of the most baffling things in all of sports. It’s like there is some decree that says you must sit players with 2 fouls. If there isn’t a huge drop-off to the next guy I am okay with it but if there is you are just better off to play them. Refs don’t want to foul out good players (usually) plus let’s say you sit a guy for 10 minutes in the first half. That might absolutely bury you so what’s the point if he plays the rest of the second half. Maybe the player fouls out with 5 minutes left, maybe not.
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@BeddieKU23 Zero chance the B12 gets 7-8 teams in. OU likely ends up 6-12 in conference and there’s no chance a 6-12 or even 7-11 record in conference gets an invite.
Texas probably ends up with 15 or 16 losses going into the NCAA tournament so there’s no chance of them staying in the field either.
TCU is also going to need help as they’re probably going to be 8-10 and have 13 losses overall going into the dance. TCU also doesn’t have a quality win out of conference so that’s going to hurt them as well.
B12 is going to be a 5, maybe 6 bid league at most this year.
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OU is actually in the tournament as of today and their conference record is not being held against them. There’s a handful of teams with losing conference records with good chances of getting in. Not the same as other years
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@BeddieKU23 I actually read a article yesterday talking about how weak the bubble was and that .500 in your conference will not matter this year. There are going to be some really bad teams get at-large bids this year.
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nuleafjhawk said:
@truehawk93 Please understand that I have no respect for Bruce Weber as a Coach, but a LOT of coaches bench players with 2 fouls for the remainder of the first half. LOTS.
I personally think it’s not that smart, but it happens very frequently.
But the remainder of the half? That’s foolish. I get his logic, but Wade fouled out any way. You just prolonged the inevitable and Wade fortunately, never got into a groove. The only player that played well was Stokes. Dotson did a bang up job on Brown. Sneed was the only other threat. We had a great game that neutralized them all.
Jay Bilas even said Weber benching with 2 fouls for the remainder of the half is not smart at all. I don’t think my problem is with doing it, but how long Weber sits them. Believe me, I’m not complaining. But I think Self could still outcoach Weber blindfolded with both hands tied behind his back and a Salvation Army bball coach interpreting Weber’s plays. Sorry, not impressed with Weber at all as a B12 head coach. He is likely the weakest coach in the B12. His players are the source behind his success. Can you imagine what Self would do with his team this year? Juniors and Seniors…are you kidding me?
Self
Beard
Huggy
Dixon
Prohm
Kruger
Drew
Boynton
Smart
WEBER
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Woodrow said:
Almost all bracketologist have KU as a 4 seed right now from what I’ve seen.
They will be a 4 seed if they don’t win out or screw the B12 tourney.
I think what the “bracketologist” are saying is, they can’t do worse than a 4 seed at this point. I do think they will improve. I think KU can run the table if they play. But if OU sneaks a win, which I doubt and OSU lucks out, or if they beat only BU, I say they are roughly
#1-3 seed
#4-3 seed
I just don’t see KU being a 4 seed. They will be the strongest 4 seed. They will definitely be #1-4 seed, GUARANTEED. Their resume is one of the top in the country, and maybe the top 3.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I think Houston has a let down as well as Marquette to free up that 3 seed. But we still have to tcob and I’m not sure we can
Their conferences are weak too. But they both have a fair win that will keep them in the 3-4 seed range.
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@BeddieKU23 An 8-10 B12 record is one thing, but a 6-12 Big 12 record which OU is staring at with games against KU and KSU left won’t get them in. Good chance OU is 19-14 on Selection Sunday with only 3 quality wins all season (Wofford and TCU ×2). If that’s how OU’s season finishes out, they won’t make the tournament.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Gad, what has the world come to when a Big12 team has to rely on a victory over Wofford to establish its bona fides?
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@truehawk93 I can see benching one, especially if Webber was hoping KU would implode in the 2nd half. But not both. Should have rolled the dice with one of them at least.
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Bill does the same thing. It’s not 100% that they’ll sit the whole rest of the half, but until recently he would banish players with 2 fouls to the bench for the half esp if there is less than 5 minutes left. He also sits them with four fouls until less than 5 minutes dare left as well.
Wade isn’t 100% and ended up fouling out, so it’s hard to say this was a terrible call. The other kid probably should have been allowed to play thru his foul problems though. Guards typically can adjust their game better to avoid calls than big men.
I just hope Weber can scew up a game down the stretch to give KU a chance.
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I think it depends on the player and the game if you sit them the whole time or not. When I was coaching sometimes with the flow of the game we had to play a player with 2 in the first or the game could’ve got outta hand. A senior like Wade should be more than capable of playing at least for a few minutes with 2 fouls. If I’m not mistaken he got his second with about 8 minutes to go. I would’ve sat him for a few and told him to play softer on D.
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dylans said:
Bill does the same thing. It’s not 100% that they’ll sit the whole rest of the half, but until recently he would banish players with 2 fouls to the bench for the half esp if there is less than 5 minutes left. He also sits them with four fouls until less than 5 minutes dare left as well.
Wade isn’t 100% and ended up fouling out, so it’s hard to say this was a terrible call. The other kid probably should have been allowed to play thru his foul problems though. Guards typically can adjust their game better to avoid calls than big men.
I just hope Weber can scew up a game down the stretch to give KU a chance.
I think the even worse call was playing Wade when he was clearly hurt.
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@dylans Oh he will.
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mayjay said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Gad, what has the world come to when a Big12 team has to rely on a victory over Wofford to establish its bona fides?
Wofford is currently ranked 24th, that’s a good win this year. It’s also another top 25 win for KU since KU is one of their 4 losses as well.
