FBI...here we go
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@HighEliteMajor I’m glad you’re not in PR.
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So, if I understand this suit, a) it is filed by Brian Bowen, the player - not the father; b) the father is not included, even though he was the one who asked for/received the payments; and c) the suit includes many people besides Adidas in an effort to grab the largest settlement possible.
I’m not certain anyone wants this to go to trial. It’s almost extortion?
Thanksgiving dinner in the Bowen household this year should be really strained around the table…
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@HighEliteMajor What’s more expensive long-term for Adidas? Dragging out a lawsuit that will have national attention, paying more lawyers, and hurting the relationship between several of your most profitable schools OR paying a few million dollars to make the problem go away? I think the decision is pretty easy. Squash all bugs and get the negative PR out of the news as quickly as possible.
This isn’t about whether or not Adidas could win or lose the case. It is about public image and future profitability.
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If I were a betting man (I am not) I would guess the lawsuit will be dismissed and the judge will suggest he sues his own father. FBI lawsuit notwithstanding, I still don’t know of a law that prevents a business from giving money to anyone, they do it all the time and it is call advertising and marketing and it is not Adidas responsibility that receipients jeopardize eligibility in something else or that they prefer to keep it hidden. How soon before creepy porn lawyer starts representing prospects whose payments by shoecos were not sufficient or went south?
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Depends on what was attached to the payments I suppose. ie go to a certain school or to murder a random person. The Bowen’s weren’t given money for nothing. The money isn’t the crime by itself it’s what it’s purchasing.
It’s just a bunch of junk. Hopefully it all gets cleaned up and levels the playing field (to KUs advantage or not). But that won’t happen until all the shoecos are investigated and have the fear of god put into them.
It’s like drugs you’ve got to get the dealer not the users if you want to eliminated the problem.
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@Kcmatt7 Trust me, I understand your concept. Paying to make it go away is not something unique. If there is legal claim, you try to get it dismissed prior to paying millions. And if there are other snakes that can come out of the cracks wanting money, you just don’t pay millions. It requires a bit more thought than just pay “a few million dollars.”
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BShark said:
Lol, Bowen is a real piece of work.
Which one?
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@BeddieKU23 Yes.
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So Bowen can go blue in the face as much as he wants but he and his father schemed from high school maybe even before to get money at every step. Every single school that recruited him was trying to Pay him and his father. Such a joke it’s not even funny
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If there is justice in our system, the charges would be dismissed and the plaintiff order to pay attorneys fees for all the defendants.
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This is the most hilarious lawsuit so I agree. This kid has no clue what people know of him. Even the average fan who follows recruiting knows this wasnt just his dad the two situations are so connected.
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Well my buddy told me and just read - -Says Silvio DeSousa’s eligibility ruling isn’t expected to linger long into the rest of the Season. - - Bill Self told @ Matt Norlander.
Humm , sounds like ruling decision is coming for to long. - -you watch just sit back watch - -I got this gut feeling the NCAA going to make him pay back the money - - have to sit XXX amount of games - -which I think they will count the number he has already sit out and then how ever many more - -and then he will be cleared to play and back on the floor - -watch and wait and see - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
Well my buddy told me and just read - -Says Silvio DeSousa’s eligibility ruling isn’t expected to linger long into the rest of the Season. - - Bill Self told @ Matt Norlander.
Humm , sounds like ruling decision is coming for to long. - -you watch just sit back watch - -I got this gut feeling the NCAA going to make him pay back the money - - have to sit XXX amount of games - -which I think they will count the number he has already sit out and then how ever many more - -and then he will be cleared to play and back on the floor - -watch and wait and see - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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That has been the typical penalty in the past but, based on how harshly the NCAA penalized BYU, there into telling what could happen. On the other hand, UNC got away with not even a slap on the wrist for far more egregious violations.
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That wouldn’t surprise me at all if they got a answer in the next couple of weeks. I said after the trial that a 6-9 game suspension is what I thought SDS would get. We are coming up on that. Even if it’s not the asnswer we are hoping for I still hope there is some resolution soon.
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So what are you thinking? Should we expect an announcement any day now? How bout Friday before 5? Sunday after Church? Monday afternoon? Soon? Soonish? Sooner? Maybe sometime in 2018? Maybe sometime in 2019. Maybe after the season is over?
Just asking for a friend. Of course kidding, but we’ve been through this so many times to know Self’s updates mean nothing in regards to eligibility.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
That has been the typical penalty in the past but, based on how harshly the NCAA penalized BYU, there into telling what could happen. On the other hand, UNC got away with not even a slap on the wrist for far more egregious violations.
I agree , seems as though let’s see what was the amount with Silvio? - - 2,500. - -I could see this happening , as there has been others that repaid their amounts haven’t they and eligible?
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Woodrow said:
That wouldn’t surprise me at all if they got a answer in the next couple of weeks. I said after the trial that a 6-9 game suspension is what I thought SDS would get. We are coming up on that. Even if it’s not the asnswer we are hoping for I still hope there is some resolution soon.
ya I was just going to say to you - -were coming up about that time frame - -just kind of funny . that about the same time this little article/tweet what the hell ever it was - -comes about the time of a 8-10 game suspension has run it’s course.
I’ve been looking right about the time Conference rolls around so plays right in line with what the outcome of the ruling would be. – -Silvio would mean a world of difference to how this team looks/shapes up. You just look at this guy - - just a dam specimen - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BeddieKU23 said:
So what are you thinking? Should we expect an announcement any day now? How bout Friday before 5? Sunday after Church? Monday afternoon? Soon? Soonish? Sooner? Maybe sometime in 2018? Maybe sometime in 2019. Maybe after the season is over?
Just asking for a friend. Of course kidding, but we’ve been through this so many times to know Self’s updates mean nothing in regards to eligibility.
The old sit and wait game . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@mayjay Nothing to see here sir.
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@BShark I just put it up because it tends to confirm my contention that the UA situation is far from resolved.
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mayjay said:
@BShark I just put it up because it tends to confirm my contention that the UA situation is far from resolved.
I was being very sarcastic.
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@BShark I thought maybe it had been posted before since it was last week. I lost my first post with an explanation, so I just did the link.
Nice one with all the redactions!
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NCAA Committee on infractions will release findings today at noon on the Oregon Men’s and Women’s basketball programs.
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2019 trials should be crazy.
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@Woodrow Sounds ominous.
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Woodrow said:
NCAA Committee on infractions will release findings today at noon on the Oregon Men’s and Women’s basketball programs.
Nike will make it go away no matter what it says
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BeddieKU23 said:
Woodrow said:
NCAA Committee on infractions will release findings today at noon on the Oregon Men’s and Women’s basketball programs.
Nike will make it go away no matter what it says
Bingo.
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Nike Lawyers at work doing this now. hmmm we didn’t see Adidas doing anything for the programs they tried to cripple. @BShark
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Nike’s co-founder Phil Knight is an Oregon Alumnus and the schools is often referred as Nike University because of the influence it has. Any violations that affect Oregon would almost have to involve Nike; it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Oregon got a slap on the wrist, actually it was more like a light breeze. Nike made sure the basketball program wasn’t losing its top 10 recruiting class. They got more checks to write
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Oregon’s violations and penalties.
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Gorilla72 said:
Oregon’s violations and penalties.
This was the equivalent of putting Altman in timeout for 5 minutes and taking away his tv privileges for 10
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A wag of the finger.
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@BShark if that…
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@Gorilla72 That spells big trouble for Cleveland St.
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NCAA announced no penalties for any programs tied to FBI trial until after Final 4.
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That probably means there isn’t any movement on Silvio’s eligibility until after the season is over as well. He certainly doesn’t deserve that fate
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We would probably get punished anyway since he played in the final four. Leave him out until January then reinstate him.
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BeddieKU23 said:
NCAA announced no penalties for any programs tied to FBI trial until after Final 4.
Hate to mess up Duke in any way shape or form.
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dylans said:
BeddieKU23 said:
NCAA announced no penalties for any programs tied to FBI trial until after Final 4.
Hate to mess up Duke in any way shape or form.
I’d love to pile on Duke but this has much more to do with Kansas. We are fortunate what could be a banner season won’t be impacted until its over, at least
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@BeddieKU23 No way the NCAA wants to mess with Duke. KU isn’t playing DeSousa this year. Zion is playing and has a ton more baggage than DeSousa, but less proof at the moment. Assuming the Zion payment happened it insulates KU from infractions - if they go after KU’s wins with DeSousa they’d have to do the same to Duke/Zion. And do we really think anything truly negative will happen to Duke?
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@dylans While fandom leads us to overtly support our team, your statements seem to be from a fan standpoint that need substantiation. Is Duke really dirty and the NCAA ignoring it? How do you know. I want to believe it, but if they were really dirty and the NCAA was ignoring it you can bet your bottom dollar their neighbor called UNC down the road would be beating that drum loudly.
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@wissox what about those hundred dollar bills stuffed in his socks? j/k…BUT, his mother declares bankruptcy a year ago, and now …suddenly…she owns a brand new 800,000 house. Hmmmm…
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U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart famously said that he could not use words to describe pornography but "I know it when I see it."
Likewise, while it would and actually is very difficult to find incontrovertible evidence that programs like Duke or Kentucky cheat since the gist of the process is aimed at plausible deniability, we can see the appearance and results which would appear to indicate they do. We cannot prove they cheat but we know it when we see it.
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Everyone’s dirty. Whether or not the head coach knows it or believes it, I don’t know. But every single school playing D1 basketball, that is any good, has a player getting paid cash under the table. It’s the people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones scenario.
Also, there is the having to prove it part of the equation. UNC could call the NCAA and say Duke is dirty. And the NCAA would ask them what proof they had. And even if they said a recruit asked them for money, but they said no and he went to Duke. Well, does that mean for certain they took money to go to Duke? Not necessarily. The NCAA doesn’t have the power to look up the parents bank records. There is nothing they can really do. If they suspended every player that was accused of taking money, there would be nobody left to play D1 basketball because anyone could accuse anyone.
Now, to the favoring of Duke. I have no clue. My best bet would be to protect Coach Ks legacy. They are certainly not clean.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1335637-are-coach-k-and-duke-not-as-squeaky-clean-as-we-all-think-they-are https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100919&page=1
A 2003 New Orleans Times-Picayune investigation (article not available online) revealed that former Duke guard Chris Duhon’s mother “landed a job working for a Duke booster; co-workers say the job opening was never posted and that Harper was overpaid and lacked qualifications.”
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2011/7/31/2307144/ncaa-rules-the-facts-are-not-on-mike-krzyzewskis-side
https://sicem365.com/forums/3/topics/25954
https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article207007143.html
Coach K is certainly not a Saint. From little violations to having parents/players paid by Nike, they aren’t squeaky clean at all.
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@JayHawkFanToo I agree with that explanation but when we write publicly that Duke cheats, I like to say where’s the cash stucked socks that @KUSTEVE has? Law talk confuses my somewhat dyslexic mind so plausible deniability doesn’t make much sense to me.
Part of my point is the allegation is made that the NCAA favors Duke and Kentucky. Only those two programs for some reason and hammers everyone else. I wonder if KU’s accountability department has spent time looking at Duke and Kentucky as the spotlight shone on us? I bet they have. I bet UNC’s has too. I don’t think they would let the NCAA slide if they saw evidence of preferential treatment for those two programs, do you?
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Plausible deniability simply indicates that the process is done in a way that allows Duke or UK to deny…with a straight face…they were aware of illegal stuff done on their behalf or for their benefit even when they knew full well it was going on.
As far as UNC blowing the whistle on Duke it is very unlikely to happen since it usually does not happen with same conference members, UNC does not recruit the same players Duke does and more importantly, UNC, after all its shenanigans with fake classes and improper benefits, has no moral authority to accuse anyone else of illegal behavior.
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@wissox I could’ve sworn the last time I watched him, I saw a “Benjamin” poking out of his sock…
