FBI...here we go
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@JayHawkFanToo Just thoughts here – if Self and the main recruiter knew of the payments. Or if they were aware vaguely that Adidas helped. All of that could have occurred. Would the compliance office know if Self hid his knowledge (vague or otherwise) from them? It would make great sense to appear ignorant on all fronts. Of course, one can appear ignorant because they really are ignorant. I personally like your scenario the best.
If there were payments to players you mentioned, of course, Adidas (we) could have been outbid. Which goes to some of your prior points.
Really, either we did it and other are too; or we didn’t.
That goes to something I said before. If we did it, and other did, and they target us with sanctions, we should blow the whole thing up. Expose everything we know. Burn it down. Because there is no freaking way that Williamson was not paid to go to Duke given the KT stuff. No way.
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If Adidas was willing to play $90K for Preston who was ranked near the bottom of the top 20, I doubt it would have been outbid on much higher ranked players like Williamson, Ayton and Langford. When you lose all 3 it would appear to indicate that KU is not willing to pay or have someone pay on its behalf for players.
I doubt if we will ever know all that goes on behind the scenes. Maybe a follow up movie to Blue Chips is needed.
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@JayHawkFanToo That is just wildly speculative. You are assuming we would not have been out bid. It would seem, if this narrative is correct, we (Adidas) might have been outbid a lot. Or that a recruit might take say $90,000 to come to KU but might want $120,000 to go to somewhere less appealing. For Williamson, maybe his price for Duke was lower. All speculative, but I sure wouldn’t assume we couldn’t be out bid.
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Indiana is an Adidas school.
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If Adidas was willing to pay $90K for Preston, I am sure it would have paid at least 2 or 3 times as much for Williamson or Ayton, who allegedly went to Arizona for $100K. Adidas has less schools to feed than Nike and obviously a smaller budget but, given the chance, I would think they would not pass on such high profile prospect unless there is push back from the program. Hard to tell what the going price for a top prospect is anymore.
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@JayHawkFanToo Ok, I understand your thought. But maybe Ayton liked warm weather and $100,000 vs. cold weather and $150,000. Who knows?
@BShark And …?
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I was talking to FanToo. He referenced missing players, but Langford went to a school with the same shoe affiliation as KU. The other two went to Nike schools of course.
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If I recall correctly he decommited from Louisville, another Adidas school. Looks like Langford was going to end up at Adidas school anyway and it was Indiana because he wanted to be the local player/hero that revived the program.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@dylans I can assure you that you are in much greater proximity to Self’s “balls” than I have ever been. Hard to move from your vision to see clearly. But I guess you are just a true fan. Superior in all regards. A member of the “I’m more of a fan than you are crowd” then. Always an entertaining, yet shallow, reply.
I believe I said you bust his balls. I don’t recall you adamantly supporting Self in any way, but you sure are quick to pile on. No game interst only negative FBI info. Now you imply I suck his dick in a very graphic way. Classy as always. Thanks!
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Okay. I just wanna be clear here. Now that Coach Self has come out and said he has not and does not offer inducements nor knows of any 3rd party inducements. Are we back to the program is clean? And coaches are clean?
I just wanna be sure today what the consensus view is here. Cause I had thought just not long ago it was that everybody is doing it, and we should expect the same if we wish to win.
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I still think what I’ve always thought about it.
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@dylans Just pretend he’s a fan with a different opinion, and don’t look too closely. It’s easier that way.
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Probably a Missouri grad.
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Being right doesn’t matter when frail emotions are at work. It never has. I chuckle when I think about how many things that the Self is infallible crowd has cried about, only to see Self actually employ the exact strategy that was suggested. Higher volume three point shooting, four out/one in, using an offense that fits the personnel, more ball handling on the floor, playing the best player over experience, giving freshman game minutes so they can develop. Lest we forget. Ah, but the anger continues …
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I agree with @HighEliteMajor either Self is a clean or he’s gonna end up looking like a cheat. I’m not a 100% which to believe at this point. We’ve had some piss poor recruiting classes at times if Adidas is really paying our recruits. There is also a chance that Townsend is aware of the payment behind Selfs back or he could be the fall guy. I’ve always thought everyone got a little something behind closed doors, I didn’t think it was 100k for sure. I’d wonder if we will resign Adidas or try to go with Nike. The trouble is with Nike (wether cheating or not) is that we won’t be the top dog like we are at Adidas.
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HEM’s coaching record is impeccable.
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All the shoecos operate the same way, some are just better at it and have not gotten caught…yet. Adidas needs a big program in the Midwest and is willing to pay for it; Nike has the big football programs in the region and football is still the king. Maybe Under Armour is interested and could make a decent offer but no way Nike pays. It just does not need KU, at least not at what Adidas is paying, and it would face backlash from other programs like Duke, Kentucky and UNC.
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BShark said:
HEM’s coaching record is impeccable.
True for almost all of us, isn’t it? I myself am unbeaten in Division 1!
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BYU has been hammered by the NCAA. Lawl.
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Apparently the NCAA had evidence that he received $$ from boosters.
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@BShark - “There was no institutional knowledge of or involvement in the infractions. In fact, the NCAA found that Coach Rose promotes an atmosphere of compliance and monitors the program.”
Uh oh for KU…
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Gorilla72 said:
@BShark - “There was no institutional knowledge of or involvement in the infractions. In fact, the NCAA found that Coach Rose promotes an atmosphere of compliance and monitors the program.”
Uh oh for KU…
They had proof that BYU boosters gave him money. We will see what happens here. Thankfully, Billy didn’t play. Silvio did but they only have “proof” he got $2500 to pay for some online classes.
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This is really weird…
BYU said in a statement that the university, the coaching staff and the athletic department had no knowledge of the infractions and that they disagreed with vacating wins. The NCAA didn’t identify Emery by name but the university’s statement said the case involved him.
The university also said that it plans to appeal the decision because it considers the vacating of wins to be too harsh and not consistent with recent cases.
"This sanction includes the most severe vacation-of-record penalty ever imposed in the history of NCAA Division I basketball for infractions that included no institutional knowledge or involvement," the statement said. "In addition, in the case most similar to this situation, appropriate penalties were imposed, but no wins were vacated."
Cougars coach Dave Rose said in a statement that he was disappointed by the ruling and supported the university’s plan to appeal.
Emery withdrew from school last season due to personal problems and the reports of improper benefits. The 6-foot-2 guard returned to the program in April and has been reinstated by the NCAA but is sitting out the first nine games of this season. He served as a captain during the 2016-17 season and was third on the team with 13.1 points per game and second with 75 3-pointers.
Emery said on Twitter on Friday that "my intentions were never to hurt the program or university. I’m grateful to Coach Rose and the university for standing by me throughout this entire process."
So…he was reinstated by the NCAA and sitting out 9 games like it has been the case for similar violation but the forfeiting of games is new and seems to be grossly disproportional…in the meantime UNC that offered fake classes to athletes with the full knowledge of the program skates away scot-free?
I believe BYU has a good case to sue the NCAA.
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The NCAA is so pissed about the federal cases they absolutely hammered BYU. Tark’s axiom proves true yet again.
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LOL. I bet Cleveland Stage is breathing a sigh of relief.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
LOL. I bet Cleveland Stage is breathing a sigh of relief.
That kid who got a pair of sneakers and a rental car to take his girlfriend out for a weekend is as relieved as can be
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Shouldn’t he be suing his dad also?
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I was just trying to read through this. His attorneys are saying Self and KT knew of the bribe payments to SDS. So I assume they will be trying to get call logs , texts, and emails from the school.
Of course he lawyers are going to say whatever they can to try and help his client.
His problem is his dad not Adidas.
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https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1064522314111430656?s=21
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1064522925951328257?s=21
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1064524504255352832?s=21
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1064527719738822658?s=21
https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1064523713402548224?s=21
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I’m going to guess that Adidas just settles this out of court. They have a lot more at stake than the $2M they’ll end up paying him. Not even worth the risk from what could come out even during a motion to dismiss. Pay him and move on.
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Lol, Bowen is a real piece of work.
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@BShark Can’t blame him for taking free money… A few Million dollars and a nice little NDA will likely be coming.
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@BShark Oh such a reach on both lol. But no way in Hell KU Lawyers allow KU to be involved in a lawsuit by someone they never recruited.
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@Kcmatt7 Ok, then who else do you pay … again. Others? Preston? He didn’t get to play. That quick advice should be reconsidered.
This lawsuit might not survive a motion to dismiss.
But it should concern everyone here. Don’t just brush it off. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, and I believe this firmly, there is a real chance Bill Self is not here next year as a result of all of this mess. This sort of stuff, where folks can be deposed, is concerning.
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@HighEliteMajor Sure. Pay him too.
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@Kcmatt7 Glad you’re not a lawyer.
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This is absolutely laughable by Bowen. He knew the rules just as much as ADIDAS did and broke them. He knew if he got caught, he would lose his amateur status and have to leave college. Why don’t I sue GM next time I get a speeding ticket because they make the car capable of going faster than the limit, Lmao what a tool.
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@HighEliteMajor I’m glad you’re not in PR.
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So, if I understand this suit, a) it is filed by Brian Bowen, the player - not the father; b) the father is not included, even though he was the one who asked for/received the payments; and c) the suit includes many people besides Adidas in an effort to grab the largest settlement possible.
I’m not certain anyone wants this to go to trial. It’s almost extortion?
Thanksgiving dinner in the Bowen household this year should be really strained around the table…
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@HighEliteMajor What’s more expensive long-term for Adidas? Dragging out a lawsuit that will have national attention, paying more lawyers, and hurting the relationship between several of your most profitable schools OR paying a few million dollars to make the problem go away? I think the decision is pretty easy. Squash all bugs and get the negative PR out of the news as quickly as possible.
This isn’t about whether or not Adidas could win or lose the case. It is about public image and future profitability.
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If I were a betting man (I am not) I would guess the lawsuit will be dismissed and the judge will suggest he sues his own father. FBI lawsuit notwithstanding, I still don’t know of a law that prevents a business from giving money to anyone, they do it all the time and it is call advertising and marketing and it is not Adidas responsibility that receipients jeopardize eligibility in something else or that they prefer to keep it hidden. How soon before creepy porn lawyer starts representing prospects whose payments by shoecos were not sufficient or went south?
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Depends on what was attached to the payments I suppose. ie go to a certain school or to murder a random person. The Bowen’s weren’t given money for nothing. The money isn’t the crime by itself it’s what it’s purchasing.
It’s just a bunch of junk. Hopefully it all gets cleaned up and levels the playing field (to KUs advantage or not). But that won’t happen until all the shoecos are investigated and have the fear of god put into them.
It’s like drugs you’ve got to get the dealer not the users if you want to eliminated the problem.
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@Kcmatt7 Trust me, I understand your concept. Paying to make it go away is not something unique. If there is legal claim, you try to get it dismissed prior to paying millions. And if there are other snakes that can come out of the cracks wanting money, you just don’t pay millions. It requires a bit more thought than just pay “a few million dollars.”
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BShark said:
Lol, Bowen is a real piece of work.
Which one?
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@BeddieKU23 Yes.
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So Bowen can go blue in the face as much as he wants but he and his father schemed from high school maybe even before to get money at every step. Every single school that recruited him was trying to Pay him and his father. Such a joke it’s not even funny
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If there is justice in our system, the charges would be dismissed and the plaintiff order to pay attorneys fees for all the defendants.
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This is the most hilarious lawsuit so I agree. This kid has no clue what people know of him. Even the average fan who follows recruiting knows this wasnt just his dad the two situations are so connected.
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Well my buddy told me and just read - -Says Silvio DeSousa’s eligibility ruling isn’t expected to linger long into the rest of the Season. - - Bill Self told @ Matt Norlander.
Humm , sounds like ruling decision is coming for to long. - -you watch just sit back watch - -I got this gut feeling the NCAA going to make him pay back the money - - have to sit XXX amount of games - -which I think they will count the number he has already sit out and then how ever many more - -and then he will be cleared to play and back on the floor - -watch and wait and see - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
