Other Games Tonight
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ESPN has already been annoying with the Duke/ACC hype. They are going to be unbearable now.
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Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@Kcmatt7 Ya you were right. I think it may be more that Duke is really good though.
In games like this, depth is overrated. UK is less talented 1-6. Thats what matters.
But also, PJ sucks, NR sucks, and Green sucks. That’s why they are all sophomores at UK. Add in that Quickley sucks and Hagans sucks and you have a double digit loss team. Reid is their best player and he played on a bad team last season. UK can either suck at D or they can suck at O depending on the lineup. But they don’t have a group of 5 that can play on both ends.
Sucks by UK standards. I’d bet PJ and Nick would develop well at KU. PJ is decent, but he’s a 6’7’’ center, so that will hurt you in some games for sure.
I’m not big on Green or Quickley, but I thought Hagans might be a dude. Herro is um…he is completely outmatched in this game. Barrett sees a target cursor on Herro every time he has the ball. Herro won’t be overmatched like this every game I don’t think anyway. He’s not great overall though.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
ESPN has already been annoying with the Duke/ACC hype. They are going to be unbearable now.
KU win buried on the back page.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@Kcmatt7 Ya you were right. I think it may be more that Duke is really good though.
In games like this, depth is overrated. UK is less talented 1-6. Thats what matters.
But also, PJ sucks, NR sucks, and Green sucks. That’s why they are all sophomores at UK. Add in that Quickley sucks and Hagans sucks and you have a double digit loss team. Reid is their best player and he played on a bad team last season. UK can either suck at D or they can suck at O depending on the lineup. But they don’t have a group of 5 that can play on both ends.
Sucks by UK standards. I’d bet PJ and Nick would develop well at KU. PJ is decent, but he’s a 6’7’’ center, so that will hurt you in some games for sure.
I’m not big on Green or Quickley, but I thought Hagans might be a dude. Herro is um…he is completely outmatched in this game. Barrett sees a target cursor on Herro every time he has the ball. Herro won’t be overmatched like this every game I don’t think anyway. He’s not great overall though.
Herro will stuggle unless he can beat guys off of the dribble. The only guy who can shoot on their team. They won’t let him shoot. PJ is a 6’7 C. You’re right. He can’t block a shot. Neither can Reid. Montgomery is overmatched now that guys are his size. Only positive is KJ. And he doesn’t score well enough.
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Imagine being a Kentucky fan right now. Alcohol will be consumed in Lexington tonight.
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@Kcmatt7 I don’t see Herro being able to beat many guys off the dribble. He’s gotta work like Svi to get open on the 3 pt line.
Interesting point about their front court guys. The two that are good offensively can’t defend for shit in the post. Richards is okay on that end, but his offense is um, yeah.
@KirkIsMyHinrich So, a usual night then.
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Did Uncle Fester and Bilas pick Kentucky to win this game too?
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Just curious why this thread was started when there was already one started with the same topic before it? Less seems better to me. BTW, Ethan Happ with a triple double tonight.
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wissox said:
Just curious why this thread was started when there was already one started with the same topic before it? Less seems better to me. BTW, Ethan Happ with a triple double tonight.
Was there a thread for other games tonight? I just didn’t want to add unnecessary posts to the Classic thread.
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Lol UK is seriously bad. Like will be fighting for the NCAA tournament bad, imo.
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wissox said:
Just curious why this thread was started when there was already one started with the same topic before it? Less seems better to me. BTW, Ethan Happ with a triple double tonight.
I completely forgot about the other thread and didn’t notice it when I went to make this.
@Kcmatt7 Sam on point once again here…
Sam Vecenie Verified account @Sam_Vecenie 13m13 minutes ago
Calipari invited this start to the second half from Duke by playing super big to start the half. Front line of Washington, Montgomery, and Travis against a team that’s drive-and-kicked you, transitioned you, and out-athleted you to death? Why?
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This could be the worst UKs been beat since we did it 150 to 95.
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UK doesn’t pass well and they don’t shoot well.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Lol UK is seriously bad. Like will be fighting for the NCAA tournament bad, imo.
Calm down.
Could you imagine though? Wow.
Kcmatt7 said:
UK doesn’t pass well and they don’t shoot well.
Very interested to see more of UK after this game. Is UK really this bad or is Duke insane? Maybe both?
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Lol UK is seriously bad. Like will be fighting for the NCAA tournament bad, imo.
Calm down.
Could you imagine though? Wow.
I’M SERIOUS
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Barrett, Reddish, and Zion are beating Kentucky 66-50 right now. Wow.
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Kansas and Duke are the clear cut 2 best teams. Been saying this since the summer.
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Marsha is a mongoloid monster. Remember when there was this narrative about Self? I’d like to see this shit get more coverage. Gregg is a dick. The opposite of Prohm who I believe genuinely cares about his players as people.
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uk sucks
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That Maui field is loaded this year. Duke going through Auburn and then Gonzaga is going to be 2 great games for Duke. A Duke/Gonzage game is a potential Final Four match up as well.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
That Maui field is loaded this year. Duke going through Auburn and then Gonzaga is going to be 2 great games for Duke. A Duke/Gonzage game is a potential Final Four match up as well.
Duke Gonzaga will be must see tv for anyone that likes basketball.
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@BShark Get to the Choppa!! I’ve lost a ton of respect for Marshall the past few years between his out burst, drunk wife in the stands and his we’ll play anyone crap but declined to play KSU this season. I’ve said before if I was Self I’d call down there and offer a home an home after he declined KSU so he could go on national TV to call him a chicken. I know Self is too classy for that move but I’d laugh.
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@BShark Xavier and Auburn should be a good one too in the first round.
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@Kcmatt7 I wouldn’t say UK is a bubble team at this remember when they beat us by 32 in 2014-15 and we still won our conference and got a 2 seed. They also play in the SEC which drops off a ton after the first 4 teams.
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BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT BAYLOR ALERT LOST 72-69 to KENPOM #277 Texas Southern.
You know, the Texas Southern KU hung 114 on last year.
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Kentucky is not right now a very good team. It will not win the SEC and it will have a double digit number of loses. Duke is literally toying with them.
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This isn’t quite Williams-Pitino levels of obliteration, but it’s in the ball park.
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Nevada and BYU tied at 34 at the half…
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Probably Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga 1,2,3 next ranking.
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Duke looked better because UK played zero defense. I will guess we make up ~10 games in the all time wins this season.
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@BShark wow they were 13 at half time, Scott Drew maybe on his way out. No doubt he put them on the map after literally the murderous past they had but he’s done very little with some talented teams.
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Some positives from the Dook route, anytime UK loses its good, we are closer in all time wins and now we don’t have the worst loss in the Champions Classic anymore. We also we beat a top 10 team lol good night folks and as always Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
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@kjayhawks I think most of their alumni and fan base expect a rebuilding year here. They lost 8 players, 4 of which were actual rotation players and quite frankly their 4 best players. They took in five transfers, including 2 JUCO guys and a grad transfer. All three of their FR played tonight and none of them are guys you want playing right away. All this loss from an NIT team.
I don’t think Drew will be on the hot seat. Now, if they aren’t better and in tournament contention next year? Then I think it gets interesting.
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Oh boy…
Goodman: "I think this was the worst loss of your career…
Cal: “Is it? So why would it come from you?”
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At least we can go under the radar now that ESPN made Duke #1 in the power rankings. Cancel the season folks. Duke’s printing 40-0 shirts
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@BShark i watched that…love watching the squid explain losses.
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I think Duke put college basketball on notice last night. That was clinical and damn impressive. Zion is way better than I thought.
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Woodrow said:
I think Duke put college basketball on notice last night. That was clinical and damn impressive. Zion is way better than I thought.
Notice how all the top draft candidates showed out in front of scouts. I think that should be taken into consideration here. Barrett, Zion, Grimes, Reddish all had motivation here.
The Duke game is such an outlier to what will happen on average. RJ, Zion & Cam are not scoring 84 between the trio a game. They scored as many points as Kentucky did as a team. We’ve seen their potential but I’d imagine they don’t play up to it more then 3-5 games during the year
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Duke had 4 turnovers. The freshman trio took 53 shots. I would be very surprised if they played this good again
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Duke is scary good. May as well face that.
The boredom factor may help. They will probably get bored somewhere along the way and almost lose a game or two. We can hope. There’s always the ebbs and flows…
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No one had any tape on them yet. Seriously, that matters. They have three incredible players but it’s a large burden for 3 guys to shoulder game in, game out. They are good, will be a 1-2 seed, but I wouldn’t call them unbeatable yet. I wouldn’t call them 2012 UK or 09 UNC yet either.
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To whom it may interest, portions of shockernet have turned on GREGGGGGG.
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Keep all that Marshall/WSU news away from @Crimsonorblue22 – her head might explode. I know she’s a big fan. Losing to La. Tech? At home?
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BShark said:
No one had any tape on them yet. Seriously, that matters. They have three incredible players but it’s a large burden for 3 guys to shoulder game in, game out. They are good, will be a 1-2 seed, but I wouldn’t call them unbeatable yet. I wouldn’t call them 2012 UK or 09 UNC yet either.
Well stated.
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@Woodrow I spent a week trying to minimize Zion after he snubbed us, and he showed me how wrong I was, and all the hype was true and real. BShark nailed that one.
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@KUSTEVE Too bad Adidas went cheap on that one… just kidding.
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dylans said:
@KUSTEVE Too bad Adidas went cheap on that one… just kidding.
I guess we couldn’t find an 800k house in Lawrence somewhere…
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OMG JAY WRIGHT DOESN’T PLAY FRESHMEN TAKE AWAY HIS STACKS. derpderpderp
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KUSTEVE said:
@Woodrow I spent a week trying to minimize Zion after he snubbed us, and he showed me how wrong I was, and all the hype was true and real. BShark nailed that one.
I remember people on the old Shiver website saying how Duke wasn’t going to be as good as people thought because RJ, Zion, and Reddish “all played the same position”. I kept telling them that K and Duke would figure it out and be just fine. I think it is going to work out.
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Duke is going to have a lot of games where they have the three best players on the floor. That’s tough to overcome, particularly in college basketball. The only thing that can hang Duke up is their lack of depth, but even having just two of those three available will be too much for most teams.
Kentucky will be fine. They aren’t going to be at a talent deficit in most any game the rest of the way, other than against KU. That game was in many ways like the game we had with Kentucky the Anthony Davis year. They just overwhelmed us in the early game because we had no answer for all of that talent.
