Five Big Questions
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Doubtful he’s a “superstar” but should be an All Big-12 and All American candidate. If he was a bouncy athlete he wouldn’t be in College today. KU’s gain I suppose. I don’t see him on the first mock draft for 2019. He looks to be a highly skilled player who can play inside/out and should be a great sidekick to Doke. Will he show leadership? Will he be a big shot taker/maker? Will his stats translate to KU? I hope all the above is true.
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I’m still of the opinion he’ll be better for us down the road. If he’s ready to play 15-25 minutes a game for us that’s fine too. He’s tiny, there’s no way around it. He looks to have a knack for getting into the paint and dishing a lob or pass to a big. I can see a lot of Moore to Doke lobs this season. His defense is the biggest ? mark for me. Has a bit of an unorthodox shot as well so we’ll see.
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Who knows. I hope he gets to play. He makes the front-court depth unreal. He impressed in some big time games, I think he was able to give the team exactly what it needed at opportune moments. Given a full offseason of work and natural progression you have to be a bit excited what he could do. KU should be able to roll out a 1-5 lineup that can compete with anyone. However what might separate this KU team from the rest of the country is the depth at 6-7-8-9. That could be Silvio, Charlie, KJ/Garrett, Dave/Mitch.
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Moore is good to have because of the youth. Still I have zero doubts both freshman will start. Self didn’t recruit them for the bench. Of course Self will sit those who don’t do what he wants. I can’t see either of them being the type that will require that kind of tough love coaching.
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Huge concern, maybe the biggest other then chemistry. A game that’s transitioning to 3 pt shooting and we have a roster reverting back to the old ways. I guess that’s why Self gets paid the big bucks to figure it out.
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@BeddieKU23 and others I think it depends on your definition of superstar. In the sense of KD or Michael Beasley at the college level? Doubtful. But superstar for a Self team entails something different, imo. Especially when Self has options. He’s just not going to play 35 mpg and have an insane usage rate because of all the depth.
What about when Oklahoma in 2015-16 had 4 trey ballers over 40% and a big in Spangler at 37%? Self and KU still beat that team. Expanding brain stuff as usual.
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Dedric will likely be a college basketball star but he is also a “tweener” with limited athletic ability that hopefully Hudy has helped improve over the last year. In the NBA he would be overpowered by bigger, more athletic players so his NBA potential is very limited.
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BeddieKU23 said:
- Huge concern, maybe the biggest other then chemistry. A game that’s transitioning to 3 pt shooting and we have a roster reverting back to the old ways. I guess that’s why Self gets paid the big bucks to figure it out.
Lets say Dedric can be around 36% (doable, imo assuming he only takes good looks), Moore gets to 38-39% with a year off to train and playing under Self instead of LOLCUONZOLOL, Grimes is around 37% and Garrett drags himself up to low 30s? The wildcards imo are Dotson and KJ. I think the team is so good these 3 point numbers can be overcame. The bigger issue imo is overall youth and replacing almost all the rotation players.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Dedric will likely be a college basketball star but he is also a “tweener” with limited athletic ability that hopefully Hudy has helped improve over the last year. In the NBA he would be overpowered by bigger, more athletic players so his NBA potential is very limited.
Exactly. It’s a fortunate situation for KU.
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Last season Coach Self did not have the luxury of mixing and choosing player to get optimal chemistry since the roster was extremely limited. Fortunately Coach Self has now a number of players he can use in various combinations to get the perfect chemistry going.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Last season Coach Self did not have the luxury of mixing and choosing player to get optimal chemistry since the roster was extremely limited. Fortunately Coach Self has now a number of players he can use in various combinations to get the perfect chemistry going.
There will be some growing pains early on but hopefully Self gets optimal line-ups figured out by Feb/Mar.
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I spent Saturday at a youth camp with a few of the Jayhawks and even Sherron came down. Been doing this for a few years now and I get a kick out of watching the KU guys coaching up the kids. I also get to watch them interact with each other and shoot a bit.
Things that caught my eye this year;
They all got along well Dedric, Doke, Moore, Grimes, and Silvio were there and hung together pretty tight when they had the time. that is not always the case.
No one has told Charlie he isn’t going to be the leader. He is not an alpha dog like Frank but he has guys looking to him. He spent quite a bit of time talking with Sherron, I count that as a plus. He is very very quick has a good shot and a ton of confidence.
Doke has found a 10’ shot that actually looks decent and goes in the hoop regularly. Shocked me when I looked over and saw him knocking in down. He also shot some FT’s at better than 50% with a bunch of screaming kids running amuck around him
. I was to busy to get an accurate count but his elbow was staying where it belonged. He looks lean and strong as an ox too.Grimes is smooth, but pretty much took a backseat to the others, true freshman that he is I kind of like that.
Sherron needs to be a coach someplace down the road! The team he coached went undefeated and the way he worked with the kids was special. Talked to him awhile, he just moved his family to Lawrence, his knees are back to full health, and he is working on getting back into playing shape and make another run at playing for money.
No real insight on Silvio his enthusiasm for the game is obvious. He ran the floor with the kids he was coaching cheering them on and lived and died with each shot they took. I can’t help but like the guy and his teammates appear to feel the same way. I kind of wondered if the rumors would make him a bit of an outcast but that is not the case.
No earth shaking info there but you get what you pay for
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great stuff, love to hear these type of stories
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Nice reporting. Looks like Doke has listened to what he probably heard at the combine and is working on a mid range jumper and free throws.
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Here is an interesting ESPN story on the Lawson family…
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Here is an interesting ESPN story on the Lawson family…
Lots of good quotes in here thanks.
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“K.J., he’s just a big guard,” Self said. “I look at him as a guard that would be a guy like we played [Josh Jackson]. He’s an intangible guard. He really understands the game. Dedric, on the other hand, is different. Without question, he’s our best passer. He’s a low-post player with guard skills. We’ll play big. It allows you to space the floor at all times, invert the floor, like Villanova did. The biggest thing is you can run your offense through your bigs.”
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I am not sure if this is the right thread but here it is anyway…looks like Coach K is expanding to soccer…
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@JayHawkFanToo Nice read. Here’s the quote that has me intrigued:
"K.J., he’s just a big guard," Self said. "I look at him as a guard that would be a guy like we played [Josh Jackson]. He’s an intangible guard. He really understands the game.
This is what I suspected- KJ will play the 3.
Starters: Moore/ Dotson/Grimes/Dedric/Doke
Primary back ups: BIGS : Silvio/McCormick Backcourt : Garrett/ KJ Lawson
What a massive team we will have. We could have a lineup that rivals an NBA team size wise.
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I would make one change to your starters:
Dotson/Grimes/K. Lawson/D. Lawson/ Doke
Sub Moore in for Dotson if you prefer, but the bottom line is that KJ probably starts and defends the other team’s best player, unless that player is a true post. He gives KU the same versatility that Jackson did on the defensive end with his size and quickness.
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justanotherfan said:
I would make one change to your starters:
Dotson/Grimes/K. Lawson/D. Lawson/ Doke
Sub Moore in for Dotson if you prefer, but the bottom line is that KJ probably starts and defends the other team’s best player, unless that player is a true post. He gives KU the same versatility that Jackson did on the defensive end with his size and quickness.
I hope this is the starting line-up. Garrett and Moore will be the key bench guards and if they do start, the non-starters from the first group there are the key bench guards. I just don’t see Cunliffe playing much at all and Agbaji should take a RS.
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@BShark Self doesn’t typically redshirt freshmen though. The only guys I can think of who redshirt as freshmen were Traylor and McLemore because of academic issues. I believe everyone else who has taken a voluntary redshirt at KU has done it their 2nd season or later on campus.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Self doesn’t typically redshirt freshmen though. The only guys I can think of who redshirt as freshmen were Traylor and McLemore because of academic issues. I believe everyone else who has taken a voluntary redshirt at KU has done it their 2nd season or later on campus.
Oh no mistake it would up to Agbaji. Lucas took one his first year.
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@jaybate-1.0 pessimistic much? Or does Self take this mess and polish it into wins?
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@justanotherfan I am probably underestimating KJ. It’s going to be very interesting to see the various combinations Self will have to work with.
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Bwag said:
@jaybate-1.0 pessimistic much? Or does Self take this mess and polish it into wins?
I have made my journey always with both great optimism recognizing what works AND fittingly corrosive pessimism recognizing the mountains of confused thinking covered with avalanches of yellow and brown snow!
KU wins title. No ring.
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I think this team’s success will be based on their ability to defend. It’s the one area that doesn’t change every game. The only reason to be “cold” at defense is if our guys aren’t hustling and focused. Defense should be a constant that gives us an edge, especially with our potential lineup and depth.
If we can’t defend, we become another potential Cleveland Cavs; able to produce easy buckets in the paint but just can’t stop the offense (especially from trey) of Golden State.
What I want to know… are we going back to BAD BALL again? Actually, this is the team to do it!
What if next year we have another 30-win season but we average scores in the 50-60s?
Curious what the expectations are of others in here…
I think Jesse built some graphics showing how Self has focused more on bringing offense in these last years. Was that just Self taking advantage of what tools he had?
Just how far can a coach shift the perspective of his players? How many players go to college with their offensive-mindedness, and leave focusing more on defense? That percentage is surely microscopic.
What’s the answer for guys like Jay Wright? Might he just be different on what players he recruits? More the “buy in” type and less the super star HS players busy building their own stat sheets?
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Bottom line? If Coach is at the helm, then KU will be in the mix. Without much hoopla KU has gotten pretty good in the tourney in recent years, all the while without ever really catching fire. At some point odds would say KU and Coach will catch fire. Maybe this new group is the one? Maybe this is the year?
I’m more concerned about team chemistry. I have no doubt these young men can play. Coach wouldn’t recruit them if they couldn’t. Coach rarely makes a mistake in evaluating and recruiting players. The key as I see it. Is these new players finding themselves and roles in Coach’s grand scheme.
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@drgnslayr Good stuff, as usual. I don’t think we’ll become Virginia if we go to 2 bigs, and away from the 4 out. Under Coach Self, our very worst offensive efficiency was 2006, when we were rated 50th. Over Self’s tenure, we’ve had multiple top 10 finishes in offensive efficiency b4 we ever went to the 4 out. The one thing that changed during the 4 out phase was that our def efficiency numbers were worse than before. The Lawsons are known for defense. Dotson, Grimes, and Garrett are considered very good defenders, and we all saw what an impact Silvio had in our run to the FF last year. I have hope for Doke that he becomes more of a shot blocker, and rebounder this year. I think defensively, we are light years ahead of last year’s team.
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We need to save this post and revisit when the season starts and again in mid December. Just so we can see who the prophets are in here.
I’ll chime in too.
Yes I think Lawson will be a great player this season. Him and Doke
Charlie Moore might start the season in the starting 5 and give his starting spot up later to Dotson. And yes it appears he can shoot very well.
Remember KU fans, our backcourt this year is not as inexperienced as our backcourt in '14 with Wiggs, Selden and Frank. Grimes has already had some great experience this summer with Coach Self at the U-19 games and we have Garrett and Moore heading into their second years. We are far deeper than we have been in quite some time. The competitiveness within the team should help everyone get better and learn Self’s system. We will be fine people. Quit freaking out!
DeSousa will play.
We wont have as many >40% trey shooters this season but I think we will have enough to be just fine. I’ll list my probabbles. lol. (Moore, Garrett, Ochai, Lightfoot, Dedric and KJ.
