THE SKY WASN'T FALLING
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And he sat Doke at the end!
Maybe HCBS should give some of the board rats here a stipend!!!
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Didn’t see any cancers, either.
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@KUSTEVE @jaybate-1-0 So here is an interesting thought, if Bill Self were a current poster on KU Buckets, what alias would he currently be operating under?
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Has Self found a cure for cancer?
Or was it a misdiagnosis?
He certainly gave Malik and Vick M.D. Anderson grade doses of sitting and character questioning if there were no cancer?
What’s up?
I guessed he was scapegoating Malik to drive the team together, a trick he has used in the past. I reckon I was right on that.
But Vick remains a mystery to me.
Legs that don’t bend for several games suddenly bend!
What dat about?!
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it was one game.
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Blown said:
it was one game.
Against the worst team in the league.
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Absolutely.
But it was do-or-die and in a historically tough crib for us.
I’m predicting a loss to WVU, then we run the table.
Holy Cow! I HATE predicting a loss.
Make me the goat, Jayhawks!!!
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@BShark On the road. In a place we’ve lost way too times. We weren’t playing for the national championship, but if we had lost tonight …well, maybe the sky would’ve fallen.
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I think the Jayhawks Have to win out, maybe Baylor or WVU can pin a loss on TT, but I also think Kansas loses one of their next 3.
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In all honesty it’s a little ludicrous that we as fans (myself included at times) are giving these guys such a tough time. We just won our 20th game for the 29th season in a row (NCAA record). We are pretty much guaranteed another tournament birth for the 29th straight year (NCAA record). Even if we don’t win the conference I think we’ll be okay friends. Did I mention that Self has signed the 3rd best recruiting class and could add to it with Langford plus our transfers. Let’s all get to the field house Saturday and support the heck outta these guys. It will be a special day with the 08 team as well as game day in town.
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kjayhawks said:
In all honesty it’s a little ludicrous that we as fans (myself included at times) are giving these guys such a tough time. We just won our 20th game for the 29th season in a row (NCAA record). We are pretty much guaranteed another tournament birth for the 29th straight year (NCAA record). Even if we don’t win the conference I think we’ll be okay friends. Did I mention that Self has signed the 3rd best recruiting class and could add to it with Langford plus our transfers. Let’s all get to the field house Saturday and support the heck outta these guys. It will be a special day with the 08 team as well as game day in town.
We are pretty spoiled.
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@BShark the worst team beat ou and West Virginia
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I told you guys before and I will tell you again…while we are playing checkers Coach Self is playing 3-D chess and he understands that to win the game sometime you have to sacrifice a few pieces. He knew the team had serious flaws and took drastic action to make it well.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark the worst team beat ou and West Virginia
This doesn’t change that they are easily the worst team in the league. I expect them to turn it around in a big way next year though.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark On the road. In a place we’ve lost way too times. We weren’t playing for the national championship, but if we had lost tonight …well, maybe the sky would’ve fallen.
True, true, true.
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BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark the worst team beat ou and West Virginia
This doesn’t change that they are easily the worst team in the league. I expect them to turn it around in a big way next year though.
They also beat TTU at home, that is all the top teams in the conference not called KU. ISU is super tough at home and Hilton has been KU’s kryptonite. Really good win this evening.
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…and Cole will have his jersey retired on Saturday…hope it inspires our “bigs”!!
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@CRH107 huge deal!
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Fightsongwriter said:
@KUSTEVE @jaybate-1-0 So here is an interesting thought, if Bill Self were a current poster on KU Buckets, what alias would he currently be operating under?
Well, he may not be current, but perhaps –
@ScaredMichael?
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@mayjay I think you are thinking of @stupidmichael, whom is always scared.
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@dylans Uh oh! Thanks. I knew I had it wrong but my search came back empty. I retract my suggestion in that case!
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@mayjay scratch all the negative Ned’s
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92 Iowa St. B12 13-12 +7.84 111.7 71 103.8 140 68.8 152 +.036 98 +9.33 13 110.2 28 100.9 9 -2.96 266
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I mean it was a good win considering the team had been reeling. Graham and Svi not playing well again is an issue so hopefully they get it together.
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@BShark I give up
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@BShark That’s an impressive list of impossible to interpret numbers!
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Iowa State sucks hard is the translation. I just c/p their Kenpom profile. They are ranked ahead of Washington who we lost to though. 17-8 Washington. So sometimes Kenpom is goofy.
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Kudos to the team for the response last night. The sky hasn’t been fixed but that was a great win to get given the situation.
Now can guys sustain this for more then 1 game. If Gameday and all the stuff going on this weekend can’t inspire this team to come together nothing will. The next 12 days are going to hopefully be very exciting to see if these guys can get back to playing Kansas Basketball!
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It is entertaining to listen to some that apparently think that this win changes something. It doesn’t even move the needle on the narrative of this season one degree. This is the pattern, if one is paying attention. Only future games, and consistency, say winning our next two at home, might suggest a change in the narrative.
Just comical. We are 3-4 days removed from Bill Self agreeing this team lacks chemistry and affirmatively saying that some guys aren’t buying in. And suddenly, because we beat the worst team in the conference (even if worst, relatively, is different than in the past), it’s a new day. Good grief.
The reference to “negative neds” completely misses the point. Negative? The commentary on this team, at least on this site, has been based solely on the reality of the performances. It’s also interesting, the need to croon against some imaginary chicken littles to attempt to prove superiority of fandom.
ISU is likely the worst team in the conference. It’s further difficult for me to understand why some can’t understand what is being said. The conference this season is tighter, 1-10. The difference between 1-10 is much closer. So perhaps this year the #1 and the #10 are as close as the #1 and #5 might have been in past seasons. Or that we have a group of teams that are more like 2-3-4s and 5-6-7s from previous years. What is confusing about that? And that doesn’t even mean the conference is good.
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@HighEliteMajor Exactly.
One positive that may have come from this game (only time will tell) is maybe Graham got through to Vick.
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nuleafjhawk
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@BShark I don’t think SVI or DG played too bad, I just think they shot poorly.
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To continue what @Barney said, there has to be a difference between shooting poorly and playing poorly. If you can maintain your activity levels, get on the offensive and defensive glass, play sound defense, move the ball offensively, cut hard, etc., then even if shots aren’t going in, you can play well. With the exception of the missed FTs at the end, I felt like Graham played well last night. Same for Svi. He’s been struggling with his shot since getting the black eye, which I think may be distracting his vision ever so slightly.
Last night’s game was an okay performance. Newman continues to make plays going to the basket, which is going to be where he helps us the most. Ideally, fewer than half his shots are from three point range. That means he’s being aggressive and playing downhill. If we see that, that means he’s getting to the rim, drawing fouls, getting layups, etc. Good things happen when Malik slashes. That must continue.
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I definitely get the sense that Graham has regressed in his ability to finish at the rim through contact or not. Just seems like a lot of close range shots don’t go in for him, reminds me of how spoiled we were having Frank last year. I definitely think part of it is his iron man minutes being played. I also think he tries a little too hard with the throwing his head back, etc., to make it look like he was fouled and takes his head off of the hoop that might be playing a factor in it. Has anyone else noticed that he doesn’t finish well near the hoop the past few months?
Who knows, perhaps its just bad luck and it will even out at some point which would be awesome and would certainly come in handy here down the stretch and in tourney time.
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@RockkChalkk especially his reverse layups! His head fakes do get some fouls called, hear all the boos last pm?
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I am not sure why you feel yesterday’s win was not important or does not change anything. Look at ISU’s record at home in its last 4 conference games.
- Baylor - win 75-65, 10 points
- TTU - win 70-52, 18 points
- WWU - 93-77, 16 points
- OU - 88-80, 8 points
All convincing wins and 3 of those against the top team in the conference and 3 of those 4 teams have already beaten KU. Every KU conference win, except for one KSU game has been by 7 points or less. On paper, it looked like ISU should have won that game instead KU played well, including the two players that you though might be a cancer on the team, and won a game when its best two shooters were ice cold.
A loss last night and KU would have needed help from other teams to win the conference. Now, if it runs the table it finishes no worse than tied for the title…how exactly does this not change anything?
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@HighEliteMajor I think the reason for optimism is that Vick and Newman played well…we’re all hopeful that this will continue. We, as fans, do tend to overreact to both losses and wins, though…no question. Your are correct…several decent games in a row against better teams (like the next 2) might be more objective evidence that we have improved.
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@RockkChalkk I don’t ever remember DG ever finishing at the rim before this year. He used to do that little pullup before he would get to the glass.
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@KUSTEVE It’s because he doesn’t finish at the rim. He throws his head back, the ball up, and says a quick prayer.
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@JayHawkFanToo It’s always hard to logically respond to a knee -jerk emotional thought. I thought you did an excellent job trying to apply simple logic.
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@JayHawkFanToo My post was based on the fact that we’ve done this all year. Nothing in the narrative with this team has changed. By the logic of your post, every win means something. Beating Albany would mean something because a loss could hurt seeding. That’s all true, of course, but doesn’t change the narrative of this team. The point of my post was that us going to ISU and winning fits exactly the pattern with this team. What would indicate a break in the pattern might be winning both of our next two home games.
The win at ISU changes nothing with this team.
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@HighEliteMajor It makes everybody feel better, players and fans alike. Confidence and chemistry have been issues with this team, and a win in Ames should help. You’re right, nothing of substance has changed. We still lack depth, which is our main problem of substance. But getting everybody’s heads in the right place could very well help with the intangibles.
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@tundrahok I am curious, what about this performance indicates everyone’s heads are in the right place?
I mean, we’ve won at KSU, at WVU, at Texas. After all those wins were in the books, that looked no different than this win, Bill Self agreed chemistry was an issue with this team and that some players had not bought in. We won at WVU with that going on. This seems lower on the difficulty scale, than that.
Bill Self said nothing after the game that guys had now “bought in.” He said activity levels were better.
I would also suggest that if we have chemistry issues, and if everyone has not bought in, that is a problem of much greater proportions than lacking depth. I understand your use of the word substance, though, and what you meant – meaning, on court stuff. And you’re right.
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@HighEliteMajor I guess I’m just hopeful, trying to stay positive. Certainly it’s just one game, and it doesn’t necessarily mean everything is fixed. But frankly I was prepared for a loss, and we didn’t lose. So to me, we’re on an upswing!
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I feel like Vick having some success is a definite positive for this team that could prove big for this team. That would take KU back to having 5 legitimate threats to score. You can then sub in Mitch or Garrett and still have 4 spots you can score from on the floor. As I’m pretty sure @HighEliteMajor has stated, this is a team that can win a title if we get hot. This game was a reminder to everyone (including himself) that Vick is one of those guys that can get hot and change a game.
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Did you even bother to read my post? What does a non-con win has anything to do with the conference race?
The two players you referred as cancer had excellent games and that changes the narrative, at least for the time being. KU had a very good game, if Devonté and Svi shoot even close to their averages the game is a blowout. ISU had played very well at home in conference play and Hilton has been a place where KU has struggled, it was a very good win. Lastly, the win means, at least at this time, that KU does not need help from other teams to win the title. How in God’s green earth does this don’t mean anything?
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This is the perfect timing to win our next 13 games!
But we need to keep the urgency of a falling sky. Truth is… we need to come with urgency every single game, even if it is the conference tourney. Taking a night off now will do nothing but kill our momentum.
Really… the timing couldn’t be better! We win-out and take home #14… another conference tourney championship… and another national championship!
They should put up a big board somewhere listing each remaining game with a checkbox beside it. Stress the urgency of a win-out!
DONE LOSIN’!
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My old coach that mentored me said the following:
“Momentum is a pathway, and it has to start somewhere!”
Clearly… we had a period where we fell off the path. THAT is what is different from some of the other games. Even our wins looked horrible in that bad period.
My thoughts and prayers are with this team that the hard times are behind us.
On paper, we have one of the most-talented teams in the nation, when you factor in experience, too. Every game we play this year, we are “eating steak.”
Eventually… when you eat steak every night you would kill for a bologna/cracker.
I hope our guys are ready to eat steak again!
