Whiff City
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Things are heating up in another croooootment. The parts they are a movin’.
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sounds great. Big Dave would be a great addition to the team. It also means Doke isn’t coming back (sad face)
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KU Picked up two CB picks for Immanuel Quickley yesterday too. Hmmm.
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I know nothing about recruiting other than Silvio DeSousa is KU’s to lose.
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RockkChalkk said:
KU Picked up two CB picks for Immanuel Quickley yesterday too. Hmmm.
Would have felt better about those if it was Slater or Meyer. Instead it was the whack job (to put it nicely) from Maryland’s site and a Miami insider.
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@RockkChalkk Ya I seen that this morning too. - -what the hell is up with that? The recruiting scene is going whacko right now. - been thought of is Quickley is a lock to UK - I think he still is but we won’t know for sure I guess until he commits. - -I suppose anything would be possible.
Play this out as a weird scenario - -look at this - for some Bizarre reason Quickley ends up let’s say at KU , as we know Kentucky is now trying to step in and ssteal Grimes , so Grimes ends up at Kentucky - - -Quickley ends up at KU - -and Dotson ends up at Florida how crazy would that be? Just makes you wonder why these two guys made predictions for Quickley and KU. - It was Jeff Enman- Maryland Insider and then a guy named Charlie Strauzer - -I dunno.
Saw this morning KU ended up with 7 CB’S for McCormack yesterday - -got to be something there just has to be - and him coming in for late night? - -time to close the deal. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Which one you talking about bud? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 I would have too , but who knows in this crazy world of whacky recruiting. - -I still think he is a lock for Kentucky but, what goes on in a 18-19 yr old kids head ya know? - -Can change their mind faster then a woman changes her clothes 36 times in one day lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Leverage to get a bigger payout from Kentucky…
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@JayHawkFanToo I just saw where the Maryland insider changed his pick back to Kentucky lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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looks like the word is out. a whole slew of cb’s for Dave today
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BShark said:
Things are heating up in another croooootment. The parts they are a movin’.
Throw us a bone…need the info…:)
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@BeddieKU23 Sure looks like it. - -I counted 4 so far today as you said, including one from slater , that makes it 11 CB’S that I’ve seen in like the last 24 hours, so at least that’s some possible good news right? - got a question , maybe you can help is McCormack a fluid guy/ smooth? haven’t really seen a lot of video on him -do you know? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Don’t be surprised if McCormack commits after Late Night. Also, Quickley is going to Kentucky. No idea where the KU buzz came from, but it seems to just be a rumor.
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Ummmm , still waitin for that bone B-shark - - you got some inside poop? - who is the other crootment lol? - -let us have the scoop there - -JUMPIN GEE HOSSA FATS lol – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@FarmerJayhawk People were getting buzz from CB’ picks just two off 247 sports , but one of those already changed his pick back to Kentucky. - Quickly pretty well been seen as a Kentucky commit for quite some time , nothings changed. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I just meant McCormack guys sorry for the confusion. Seems pretty obvious that something leaked/got out with this big of a crystal ball run.
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Btw Dotson to UF looks done.
Michael Devoe a 4* PG from Florida meets with coach White and cancels his UF visit. Wanted Florida big time. Now after the cancellation he says he will announce in a couple days and everyone switches their cb picks to Georgia Tech.
Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Sucks!
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Howard was in to visit McCormack yesterday and will be in Texas to see Grimes today. If Howard closes on both, it’s probably time for even his most fervent detractors to shut up about him.
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@BShark If he closes on both of them, he is one more good recruiting season away from being a flight risk IMO.
A 37 year old who can recruit and has a Chicago tie screams Low/mid-major HC material in my mind. Though I’m sure others will disagree with me.
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@BShark Ya seems like your right, someone slipped somewhere maybe. - -But I have to try and keep things in check, as we all know we get to feeling good - - confident about a recruit and then get screwed in the end - -pretty tired of getting my hopes up and then just not even getting kissed in the end. -But looks good at this point. - I like someone else said I think if things keep going the way they are wouldn’t be surprised to see maybe him commit shortly after his late night visit. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Dammm man , that is just so crazy. - - -Another Ayton. All we had seen in this recruitment was how heavy a KU lean he was, clear back from last year. - -I just don’t get these guys. Welp I sure hope we can put the hammer on Grimes , secure him.
So lets look at this. - -In reality how many do we feel we gonna need to fill for next year? - - - We know Devonte is gone , We know SVI is gone , We know Newman is gone. - -So there is three open , pretty good chance Doke is gone , so possible four - - - then we come to Preston ? - - good year , more then likely gone. - -So my best guess is we looking a reasonably good chance at least of 5 open? - -then didn’t we still have a open Scholi from this year? - -that would make six if we did. - -Got some work to do.
If we could land Grimes - - De Sousa - -And McCormack - -that would be pretty solid , but would need a couple of others to complete right? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Well if we lose 6, yea we will need more guys. 1 scholarship short as is, PLUS we lose 6 guys.
Going to need to land at least 5 players. Leaves room to pick up a transfer or 2, something I believe Self will continue doing on a yearly basis at this point.
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One thing I’ll say about McCormack - -he is a big boy. 6’9 - - -290. Like 247 said in the article about how we are trending for him , we pair him with De -Sousa that’s a pretty physical dual , they talk about how bout like to mix it up, not a bad thing - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark So where does that leave us as far as a PG? Haven’t all the others been leaning elsewhere?
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Hawk8086 said:
@BShark So where does that leave us as far as a PG? Haven’t all the others been leaning elsewhere?
Hope that they can get back in with Ayo. Ship has probably sailed there and has definitely sailed with Carey, Locke etc…
Grimes isn’t a PG, but he would still be huge to land and serviceable. Moore, Garrett and Grimes is enough ball handling if it ends up that the other guard signing would be a developmental type. Maybe look at grad transfers. Names will pop up in terms of recruits and grad transfers, your guess is about as good as mine for what those names will be.
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A guy who’s not highly ranked (60ish) but is in Des Moines is Tyger Campbell. Personally, I’m surprised we didn’t swoop in and really make a push on him hard. I just checked 247 and he’s not signed and doesn’t look like a commitment is imminent. We are all in on Dotson (who live in NC?) I guess. That never made sense to me. I’d rather have the Campbell in the hand, than the Dotson in the bush. But … we win all the time, and Self makes those decisions. So perhaps this is just irrelevant chatter.
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@HighEliteMajor Wouldn’t be a bad idea. There were some MSU rumours but the MSU people have said MSU is no longer interested. Which does make sense because they will have 2 other PG on their roster.
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Campbell was committed to DePaul for a while. We recruited his teammates but not him. I also thought he was a 2019 kid. He’s good from the games I saw but he was a bit small for what Self likes. Maybe there is some interest at some point but it doesn’t seem like he’s trying to recruit himself towards KU either
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@BeddieKU23 @BShark Just checked … he reclassified to 2018. I first heard of him from a friend that saw him play in a tourney in Columbia or Hutch – some tourney close to KC (can’t remember which one). Said he was the best player on the floor.
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Another name will come up.
I’m not so sure that the Quickley thing is dead yet. Adidas guy. Adidas could be moving heaven and earth behind the scenes to get the Quickley/Zion show to come to Lawrence.
Every year, I think to myself, how has Bill Self never landed an elite PG? He has clearly developed them extremely well. Sherron Collins should have had a career trajectory just like Ty Lawsons, if you know, he didn’t get fat. Mario made it. Robinson played overseas for forever. DG and Frank were ranked 100ish and will be playing in the league. He made Tyshawn an All-American. Yet, he just can’t land an elite PG. It’s almost like he sold his soul or something and his punishment from the basketball Gods is Tyler and never landing a OAD PG.
And then I think, Adidas will hand him one when the timing is right. But, alas, another year passes and we will be without an elite PG recruit on the roster. While somehow UK can secure a PG commit while having 2 on the roster already. Neither of whom will be going pro after this season. Dumbfounds me. Recruiting is the least logical thing I have ever followed. Which makes it by far one of the most frustrating things in sports…
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@BeddieKU23 well how much smaller could this Campbell kid be then Jacobs? - -saying might be a bit small - -can’t be any smaller then 5’10/ – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Smaller guards that played for Self (including the already committed Jacobs) have been extremely athletic. Not sure where Tyger is at athletically. Never looked into him much.
@Kcmatt7 Agree of course other names will come up it just really sucks with Dotson given the time KU sunk into this one (heavily on him early) and that none of the other “big boys” swooped in, it’s freaking Florida.
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@BShark I at least respect Dotson for that. He picked the team committed to him for the longest.
Other guys who KU was on and then drop them last minute for no real reason pisses me off.
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I hope Dotson will look at his college choice as a business decision. One program is way more likely than the other to be always be in the national spotlight, likely being ranked top 5 most of the year, conference champions, consideration for #1 seed, poised for a final 4 run, etc. And with all of that comes mega publicity. Being the quarterback of that team puts him front and center of that spotlight. When you are basically auditioning yourself to get a job at the next level, you should want to be on the big stage.
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Jerry Meyer said on twitter that the reason for all of the David McCormack CB picks in the last two days was “Intel getting out.” When asked if it was reliable intel he responded saying “Guess we will find out. Reliable to me but reliable enough to me to change my pick to Kansas. Wouldn’t say intel if thought unreliable.”
Good stuff.
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Campbell listed at 6’0".
@kcmatt - You’re right, both Mason and Graham started in the 100s. Mason ended up in the 70s (kind of nuts) and Graham in the 30s. And they got bumped probably because we signed them.
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Immanuel Quickley making his announcement tomorrow at 6:00pm. This has been viewed to be a heavy heavy heavy lean for UK for a loooong time. It will either be KU or UK. While small, I do think KU has a chance. He officially visited UK last weekend. Norm was in town to visit with him today. This is an Adidas kid, not sure if it matters in this case but never know. Its a big piece off the board, we shall find out soon.
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@RockkChalkk Well it at least will possibly put other pieces into play, I am pretty sure we all know he is UKbound - -no shocker there, more players seem to be committing early this year - -or maybe it’s just me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 well how much smaller could this Campbell kid be then Jacobs? - -saying might be a bit small - -can’t be any smaller then 5’10/ – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
With his hair it makes him much taller. Campbell is a twig though and unless he’s filled out his body or figured out how to jump higher he’s not in the mold of Mason or Jacobs that make up for being small with ridiculous athletic ability.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 @BShark Just checked … he reclassified to 2018. I first heard of him from a friend that saw him play in a tourney in Columbia or Hutch – some tourney close to KC (can’t remember which one). Said he was the best player on the floor.
He’s a very good floor leader. Definite starter at the College level. I’ve seen some of his HS games on TV and he’s a gamer. He just lacks some things Self usually goes after (mainly athletic ability). The difference between him and Dotson for example is noticeable to me. But we seem to have lost the Dotson sweepstakes and now sit yet again looking for another ball-handler.
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RockkChalkk said:
Immanuel Quickley making his announcement tomorrow at 6:00pm. This has been viewed to be a heavy heavy heavy lean for UK for a loooong time. It will either be KU or UK. While small, I do think KU has a chance. He officially visited UK last weekend. Norm was in town to visit with him today. This is an Adidas kid, not sure if it matters in this case but never know. Its a big piece off the board, we shall find out soon.
He’s announcing for Kentucky as fuel for Cal to use with Zion this weekend. This has been engineered in such a way to use as bait. I have no doubts KU pressed hard this week but we would have heard otherwise if he was going to KU.
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RockkChalkk said:
I hope Dotson will look at his college choice as a business decision. One program is way more likely than the other to be always be in the national spotlight, likely being ranked top 5 most of the year, conference champions, consideration for #1 seed, poised for a final 4 run, etc. And with all of that comes mega publicity. Being the quarterback of that team puts him front and center of that spotlight. When you are basically auditioning yourself to get a job at the next level, you should want to be on the big stage.
From everything I’ve read Dotson and his family have been a refreshing case of a family well aware of their decision and not letting outside influence dictate where he’s going. If that was the case Adidas would have locked him up in Vegas this summer with Zion.
The starting spot at Florida is available. Mike White has reshaped Florida to compete with Kentucky again in the SEC. He’ll be on TV in a conference that gets plenty of attention. Going to Florida is a business decision if you look at it as well.
I still think the presence of Charlie Moore hurt KU’s overall pitch. They probably didn’t believe he’d start from day 1 over him given Self’s history. If Moore wasn’t at KU elite PG’s would have signed here
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@BeddieKU23 So you really think Charlie Moore cost us an elite point guard? I’m not holding a high opinion of Moore at the moment – more of a middling/average opinion. So that just kind of makes me sick.
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 well how much smaller could this Campbell kid be then Jacobs? - -saying might be a bit small - -can’t be any smaller then 5’10/ – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
With his hair it makes him much taller. Campbell is a twig though and unless he’s filled out his body or figured out how to jump higher he’s not in the mold of Mason or Jacobs that make up for being small with ridiculous athletic ability.
Even Sherron was pretty athletic before he got fat.
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@HighEliteMajor Where were you using for rankings? I remember Mason was around #50 on 247 which was the highest anywhere but his composite rating was still super low, under 100 and I don’t recall Graham being near top 30 anywhere. He was 100-ish in 247 ranking and their composite. Vick oddly enough I do remember had some high rankings.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 So you really think Charlie Moore cost us an elite point guard? I’m not holding a high opinion of Moore at the moment – more of a middling/average opinion. So that just kind of makes me sick.
Completely agree. We need Moore to text his buddy Ayo now.
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Btw as for Quickley the kid is dyed in the wool Kentucky truuuuuuuuuue blue. You guys know how much Jacobs loves KU, well Quickley loves UK that much. He just hadn’t committed already because Cal has been using him as a recruiting tool which looks better if he isn’t officially committed.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 So you really think Charlie Moore cost us an elite point guard? I’m not holding a high opinion of Moore at the moment – more of a middling/average opinion. So that just kind of makes me sick.
Yes I do, I remember, faintly, stating such after we landed Moore out of the blue. Maybe I’ll look to find it. Maybe I’m reaching for straws with that statement but if Charlie Moore wasn’t on the roster wouldn’t KU have unlimited playing time to sell at both a starting PG spot and a backup position to the Elites?
All things being equal between Florida & KU in his recruitment, Florida has a graduating PG with just one other PG on the roster, an incoming freshman ranked #256th. KU has a graduating PG and a transfer, Moore was a Top 100 kid in 2016 who started as a freshman at Cal. It’s not out of the realm to think the Dotson’s think he’s in line to start at KU next year which limits his potential as a freshman. The Dotson’s have made it clear they want the ball, not to be the side-show to another.
Further after the 2016 recruiting cycle misses on Trae Young & Sexton for similar circumstances, both felt returning players (Graham, Newman) stood in their way. They both found situations they were guaranteed to start without a upperclassmen in the way. It seems Devon will seek the same situation.
