2018 Recruiting Thread
-
Now this we agree on, I think KJ is better suited as a utility player/stretch 4 than a traditional Self 3.
-
@BeddieKU23 and @BShark I agree with @Kcmatt7 and think you two are being way too rigid on what position guys can play.
Here’s what I see and why I think back up PG is the only real need in the back court.
Charlie Moore: 1
Marcus Garrett: 1-3
Lagerald Vick: 2-3
Sam Cunliffe: 3
KJ Lawson: 3-Stretch 4
Moore is the only natural PG for 2018 as Garrett can handle the ball, but is probably more suited to an off ball role playing next to a PG.
This is why Grimes is the top target. He can play the 1 or 2 and fills that glaring hole at the back up PG role that KU needs for 2018.
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 agreed. Is there even a decent chance we get Grimes? Seems like landing some of the top recruits to fill “needs” has not always been a for sure thing.
-
Reid and Quinerly visiting on the 23rd of September.
-
@HawkChamp KU appears to be a strong favorite for Grimes at this point.
-
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BeddieKU23 and @BShark I agree with @Kcmatt7 and think you two are being way too rigid on what position guys can play.
Here’s what I see and why I think back up PG is the only real need in the back court.
Charlie Moore: 1
Marcus Garrett: 1-3
Lagerald Vick: 2-3
Sam Cunliffe: 3
KJ Lawson: 3-Stretch 4
Moore is the only natural PG for 2018 as Garrett can handle the ball, but is probably more suited to an off ball role playing next to a PG.
This is why Grimes is the top target. He can play the 1 or 2 and fills that glaring hole at the back up PG role that KU needs for 2018.
I disagree which is fine. We’ll certainly find out this fall what’s going to happen
-
KU was front and center for Devon Dotson last night.
Meyer was tweeting some stuff about Dotson saying he’s a clear 5 star prospect. Says he’s unselfish and defends. Surprised UNC wasn’t “all in” for him.
-
Self watching Dotson again
-
@REHawk Svi scores 18 in loss
Kansas senior guard Svi Mykhailiuk scored 18 points on 6-of-18 shooting and grabbed nine rebounds in Team Ukraine’s 98-63 loss to Serbia on Wednesday at the FIBA Under 20 European Championships in Crete.
The 6-foot-8 Mykhailiuk, who was 3 of 11 on three-pointers, committed eight turnovers against two assists in 34 minutes.
Team Ukraine fell to 1-3 and dropped into the consolation bracket, which will determine places 9 through 16. It will meet Czech Republic on Thursday.
Mykhailiuk has had scoring outputs of 16 points in a loss to Israel, 26 points in a win over Latvia and 25 points in a loss to Lithuania.
-
Garret is tall for a PG but so was Magic and it worked out well for him. Keep in mind that Garret was POY in Texas while playing PG; he is a much better PG than he is given credit although I agree that he might be better suited as SG or even SF.
Also, Center and PF are now merging into one position and I really don’t have a problem having one or two PFs down low instead of the so called Center…it is just semantics.
-
@JayHawkFanToo heard he was a good defender, hope that’s right! Will earn him time.
-
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo heard he was a good defender, hope that’s right! Will earn him time.
Yep. If you hope to earn playing time for Coach Self, you better play defense…
-
@JayHawkFanToo I don’t disagree that Garrett is a good enough PG to run the show in a pinch, I just don’t see the need for him too barring injuries. Graham and Newman will do the majority of the lead guard stuff this year with Garrett as their primary back up. With both likely gone next year, Charlie Moore becomes the lead guard and Marcus Garrett likely slides I to the starting line up as the off ball guard. Factor in a potential PG recruit in 2018 and Markese Jacobs already signed for 2019 and KU appears to have the lead guard situation on lock down through the 2022-23 seasons unless Jacobs exceeds expectations and leaves early.
-
Can someone please explain what is meant by a “natural” point guard? Is it personality? Size? Dribbling and passing are talents any good player can develop, and shooting doesn’t seem to be determinative since PGs sometimes score big but not always. Is there an innate quality people are referring to?
Or is it just a wrongly labelled way of saying someone is really good at it?
Natural = instinctive? Natural = talented? Natural = developed skill set (i.e., not natural). Which is it?
-
@mayjay Instincts are a big part of along with natural skill. By natural skill, I mean what somebody is good at without working at that skill to develop and refine. Some players are naturally gifted dribblers, some are naturally great passers, and so on.
Landed Lucas for example. He is naturally a very stone handed player as in he bobbled a lot of passes and rebounds in his career. Other players have naturally soft hands that could reign in the most difficult passes and rebounds with ease.
PG’s do tend to be the shortest guy on the team because rmthe PG us going to have the ball in his hands the most and less room there is between a player’s hand and the floor, the lower the odds of a defender being able to time a dribble and steal the ball.
James Harden was essentially the Rockets PG last year and led the league in assists because if his vision and passing ability. He was also among the league leaders in turnovers because he got his pocket picked so to speak a lot last year because he’s 6-6 and was often guarded by guys several inches shorter.
Natural ability is also why Frank Mason was/is considered a a great scorer. His natural instinct with the ball is to drive to the rim and create contact. If I’m comparing Frank Mason on offense to anybody in the NBA, it’s James Harden because they do a lot of the same things with the ball I their hands and have a lot of the same instincts.
-
Natural PG is a guy that has the natural instincts, feel and overall propensity to play the position.
For instance, watch guys like Magic Johnson or Chris Paul. They do more than just understanding and being able to dribble, pass, etc. They understand where people need to be, and where they need to get the ball in order to score most efficiently. They know how to manipulate a defense with a dribble, or a jabstep, or a fake, in order to create a window to pass into or a lane to cut on. That’s what natural PGs do.
Many young PGs are just kids that grow up with the ball in their hands because they are gifted scorers. They don’t know how to move the defense to allow them to get easy shots for others. Natural PGs are guys that can get other guys to run the floor because guys know they will get the ball if they run with them.
It’s a skill thing as much as an understanding thing, maybe even understanding moreso than skill (with the understanding that a minimum threshold of skill has to be present).
-
-
Let’s go through a couple of the schools.
A couple of the schools? Kansas, Arizona, Texas, and Baylor are the ones that are on me really hard right now.
What’s been Kansas’ message so far as to why you’d be a good fit for them?
Definitely I can play two or more positions on the court. I can play the one, the two, it really doesn’t matter- I can come in with any big guard and score right away and play right away.
And be that combo type of guard that they’re looking for…
Yeah.
Baylor?
Baylor, they really want me to come in and play right away and be an overall leader in my size and really just every school is saying I can play the one or two or maybe the three.
And Arizona?
Yeah, they don’t really have a form point guard, like he said, a bigger point guard, and be a little bit better than previous point guards that they’ve had and things like that.
And finally, Texas?
I know Texas. A guy like Shaka Smart, I like the way he calls me every now and then- he’s not overbearing on me. So, he keeps it really good and professional.
Is that the approach you like?
Yeah, because he’s real upfront. He asked me, “How do you want me to contact you?” and I said maybe once a week or twice a week and I like the way he has me with that control.
That’s good. What about your relationship with Matt Coleman?
I’ve known Matt since years ago, I have a little bit better relationship with him.
He’s definitely a different type of guard than you.
Yeah, he’s pass-first, so I like that…I don’t have to have the ball in my hands every time, so I really like that about him.
-
What about fit for you? What are you going to be looking for?
A relationship with the coaching staff…definitely a relationship with them, and how they see me at that level and hopefully at the next level.
Do you need a track record of development?
That’ll play into it, but it won’t be as big as style and coaching and things like that.
What’s the plan, in terms of when you’d like to decide?
Really don’t have a plan as far as the fall or early spring.
How do you plan on announcing?
We haven’t decided any of that. We’re just trying to take our time right now.
-
Malik Hall in the High Choice group on 247. MS may be a goober but generally he is at least more accurate about who KU is really targeting.
Also UCLA made a bunch of offers to KU targets like Harvey and JRE. Harvey picked up a UCLA CB pick from Slater.
Grant Sherfield has fallen off a cliff in the composite rankings.
-
“It was a dream come true, all my life I have been dreaming of having a blue blood school offering me and this finally happened,” he said. “I can’t even explain how it felt, it felt great.”
Bill Self and his staff have told him what they find intriguing about his game.
“They think that I fit into their playing style and think they can develop me into being a great player,” Locke said. “They think that I can come and play right away with them losing some guards.”
-
@BShark When it comes to Harvey & Robinson Earl I could give a tinker rat’s ass about UCLA offering and CB predications, I’m telling you right here and now if we really want Harvey & Robinson - -if we show any kind of even half way moderate interest - -they are ours to lose - - especially Harvey.
Harvey has been to so many games in Allen Been to late night totally in love with the School, the only way I could ever see us losing Harvey is if the Staff just totally backs off and shows the kid no love no respect and tells him there is just not a spot for him. Same pretty much same story with Earl, these two kids have had KU targeted from day one. - -Again UCLA DOES NOT scare me in the least little bit with this recruitment. - -If we do lose these local guys that have major interest in KU - -then ya we got issues with out staff and who they target. - -When you got kids with talent in your own backyard, and those kids want to come and deserve the chance - -and you let other College come in and take those kids - - you have issues, I could see if these guys were marginal players on the borderline but when they are as talented as these two are, which I feel their rankings will continue to rise, we have to land these guys period, and I feel Coach Self understands this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
Just read some tidbits from zags blog. – - - Darius Garland cut his list to six Friday and they were : Kentucky, Indiana, Duke, Vanderbilt , UCLA & KU. – Said Duke , KU, Vanderbilt, & UCLA all fighting to get that first official visit.
Then my Boy Devon Dotson, we all know how I feel about him, even though I think we have slide a bit, story read he was the most impressive player at the Under Armour All American Camp this week- -needs work on his outside shot BUT was hitting from all over this week., - - - Sitting up officials with Arizona , Florida , & KU - - still has list of 8 schools, Arizona, KU , Florida, Maryland, Miami, Wake Forest, USC & Ohio State- - - looking to cut his Schools after the live period. - - - -Said about KU: KU style fits his style, said they were telling him looking for a guard to come in and lead from day 1 and they think he can be that Guard. - - -Man Would really make my knees tremble shake and Buckle if somehow we could land Dotson & Grimes both - -I mean Jumpin - -Gee - - Hossa - - Fats that would be really sweet. - -Hey doesn’t hurt to dream, we shall see. - -ROCK CHLK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
I’m gonna give you Garland’s real final 6.
Duke, Duke, Duke, Vanderbilt, Duke and Duke.
-
@BShark I already know this, just like I’m going to give you Harvey and Robinson Earle’s - - -KU KU KU KU & KU. - - - -now we got that settled lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
Well, just sitting here trying to kill time - - and amusing myself. Did some looking up from 247. Some things kind of interesting. Things I found out, like out of the top 150 recruits for 2018 - - - -1/3rd - - have already verbal committed. - - 20 out of the top 50 , - -42 out of the top 100, that’s quite a few, yet zero verbal for KU.
KU lowest ranked player they have at least shown some kind of interest in is ranked at # 84 ( Jaedon Le Dee ). - - - KU was mentioned in some shape or form by 21 kids or KU mentioned them out of the top 150 for the 2018 class. - - – - -out of the 21 - - -KU received only 6 of any kind of predictions, yes I know it’s the CB but still, only showing 6 of these kids have talk to analysts to where they are lead to believe that KU may be a really serious contender at this point.
KU has been listed in what looks like to be either the players preference of the top 5 schools considered for by the other 15 though just haven’t received any predicts.
A thing I found interesting is, we have 3 visits scheduled, yet none of the three are we considered the favorite to land any of the three. Two of the three visits are Pg’s - ( Immanuel Quickley on 9-2 - - Jahon Quinerly on 9-23 - -then a PF Nazreon Reid on 9-23 ), But yet the 4 kids that we are considered to be leading on or in a dead heat for 3 pg’s and a Pf ( Quentin Grimes, Devon Dotson, Jalen Carey, Noah Locke, & Emmit Williams we have no visits set up for yet.
A question I ask also is - -worst case scenario, Would we take Ayo Dosunmu the 6’4 Combo he really is only showing any kind of love to is Illinois and us. - -We want him? I think could be a quality 4 yr player # 29 in top 100 - - -OR would we rather have David Duke # 47 Combo - -he is really only showing interest in Providence & KU - - now both Dosunmu & Duke are showing 100% for others at this point but I think if we push those things could/would change if we really wanted. - -Holler let me know what ya think. - just bored and doing some KU investigating lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
@jayballer54 watch espn
-
@Crimsonorblue22 They have nothing right now - -not into the golf thing and don’t believe any base ball and know no Basketball lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
@jayballer54 you missed team foe playing. They were up by 25 and lost
-
@Crimsonorblue22 WTH - - how do you manage to do that lol? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
@jayballer54 ugly
-
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@jayballer54 you missed team foe playing. They were up by 25 and lost
ELIIIIIIJAH
-
KU offered Keldon Johnson, he was in Lawrence over the weekend playing in the big AAU tourney.
He wants a UK offer and looks like he might get one soon. That will end that recruitment. Texas was the front runner
-
Looks like Grimes is gonna visit KU twice… Seems optimal.
-
BShark said:
Looks like Grimes is gonna visit KU twice… Seems optimal.
Gotta love MS dissing the other “insider” only to find out Bossi talked to Grimes over the weekend and got the same information from him…
I’d say split the difference and say visits once. Twice, well we’d have to feel even better about our chances at that point
-
Dotson’s latest Q&A with Slater… Positives for KU.
Florida is definitely the other contender with Miami, Maryland & Arizona pushing for him as well. I think Dotson will sign in the fall.
Florida insider seems to think they have him…
-
Yeah just…lol at that situation. And yeah if he visits twice…the second might be as a commit or easily seal the deal. I know he has mentioned signing late but you never know.
Florida insider lol.
-
BShark said:
Yeah just…lol at that situation. And yeah if he visits twice…the second might be as a commit or easily seal the deal. I know he has mentioned signing late but you never know.
Florida insider lol.
Yeah if we lock in both visits great but until he does I just assume we’ll only get the official once other schools put pressure on him to visit etc and he runs out of time to go on his own dime. If he officials before Late Night then comes back for LN I can see that being a situation that greatly benefits getting him to sign early… I’m not Coach but that is the situation I would be pushing for
-
BeddieKU23 said:
Dotson’s latest Q&A with Slater… Positives for KU.
Florida is definitely the other contender with Miami, Maryland & Arizona pushing for him as well. I think Dotson will sign in the fall.
Florida insider seems to think they have him…
Ya Since I’ve read his latest this morning, now am leaning more towards what you said previously. - - -Sounds to me like more and more this will end up coming down to a KU/Florida battle in the end run. Miami there, BUT just the way I read into things sounds like these two to me. He said he had already been on the KU campus unofficially this past Jan, and after he cuts his schools after the live period and makes his visits I just feel we make that cut & then he will make his official visit here. I understand Arizona is one of the eight, but on this one I don’t think they play as much of a factor as in others. Be nice to get him on a 2nd visit.
This has been my guy this recruiting season, liked him from the get go. He came away from KU with a pretty good impression " REALLY LOUD saying he thought his ears were about ready to fall off, Super loud, and they fans with the chants" Devon is a very strong ball handler, the article says he dominated the Under Armour camp, leading in points, and Steals. Was asked what he wanted to work on in August and he said his outside shot, & consistency. They also said that a lot of pg’s are a little soft but opponents who have played against Devon say they feel it after a game against him - - -his response is he likes to play physical - -play hard.
Of our competition for him Devon stated that Florida has been in contact with him Forever and he has formed a great relationship with the staff. – This is why really important to get that 2nd visit here. One thing I have found a little interesting with Devon, him being from Carolina that none of the Big time Schools are in his final 8 Duke, N Carolina, N C State, - - and no Kentucky either, just a little different this time for a change lol. He States Miami is stilla serious contender also still BUT again I think now it is KU/Fl battle.
So question - -when does the live period end anyways, that’s when he is cutting his list - -after that. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
@BeddieKU23 He has already been to KU on his on dime back in Jan, - -and we make his list after he cuts, which I feel we will that will be his 2nd visit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 He has already been to KU on his on dime back in Jan, - -and we make his list after he cuts, which I feel we will that will be his 2nd visit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Are you talking about Grimes or Dotson. I was referring to Grimes in the post.
-
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
Ok, so I have a question, I’m confused, what a surprise right? It’s dealing with our recruiting, it concerns one 2018 recruit & one 2019 recruit.
The 1st one is 2018 recruit Nassir Little. Read an interview the Phog did with him. He was asked what schools was he hearing from the most/now? - - He said UCLA, Arizona, Oregon. NC, and Duke. Then he was asked what he was hearing from KU, he said KU liked his versatility and they feel they can play him at any position and create mis-matches, When they have smaller guards he could post them down low and the bigger guards he can take away to the wing or take them to the basket.
He says After the Summer probably will trim his list, and then some time next spring make his commit. - -Was asked if KU was stil in the mix he says FOR SURE.
Then 2019 Recruit Matthew Hurt. Again was asked who was the schools he was hearing from or who the main schools were ? -He stated Duke, Louisville, Minnesota, & Indiana. He was asked about the KU offer, he said they love his game, that he is KU’s # 1 guy - -but then also said he was going to take recruiting process step by step - - -Said the one’s he hears from are Howard and Self
Was then asked what he thought about KU ? - -Great Culture, Always finds a way deep into the tournament, &Great place to live. So here is where it is confusing to me, on both of these guys, if we suppose to be so much in the mix then why when they are asked who the Schools they are hearing the most from - - WHY is KU not listed by them? - - - -KU not listed on the schools who is on Little all the time but yet still definitely in the nix same with Hurt. – If these guy are big time targets - -shouldn’t we be all over these guys everyday like the others ?
Another name that came to surface, name might of already been mentioned but new for me - - - Montez Mathis ranked # 66 and is a team mate of Quickley. - His schools are Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Xavier , Missouri , U Conn , Texas A & M & KU. – said the KU staff contact him almost daily really excited getting a KU offer - That Coach Roberts is a regular Contact. he is 6’4 guard he says KU has told him they like his motor. Says after the July Evaluation is over he plans on trimming his list - -then take his visits then set his date to commit. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
-
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It would be the perfect situation if we landed both.
Both fill needs and both have been recruited with the same pitch that KU needs ball handlers and someone to play with Charlie Moore. What likely will happen is KU lands one of them and then takes Noah Locke who’s a 4 star player that can shoot the J with the best of them in HS. That’s probably a more realistic situation for KU but anything can happen. Self should be trying to land multiple elite guards because KU should be able to give them minutes
-
Little is going to be a 5 star wing by the end of summer. If he signs late we might have a chance but looks like Arizona has made him priority #1 according to what he said.
Hurt seems to be in no rush. Duke recently offered and they will be tough for him. Minnesota has his brother and if they continue to improve in the Big-10 he could stay home and play with him. I’m not as high on Hurt as his ranking suggest. Great versatility at his size but the recent updates about him suggest he’s going to struggle defending at the next level. We’ll see how he progresses going forward.
Mathis is a backup plan but could be one KU looks to take with either Grimes/Dotson. Matt seems to think KU isn’t in his top 2 choices right now.
I believe the live period ends after this weekend.
-
jayballer54 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Dotson’s latest Q&A with Slater… Positives for KU.
Florida is definitely the other contender with Miami, Maryland & Arizona pushing for him as well. I think Dotson will sign in the fall.
Florida insider seems to think they have him…
Ya Since I’ve read his latest this morning, now am leaning more towards what you said previously. - - -Sounds to me like more and more this will end up coming down to a KU/Florida battle in the end run. Miami there, BUT just the way I read into things sounds like these two to me. He said he had already been on the KU campus unofficially this past Jan, and after he cuts his schools after the live period and makes his visits I just feel we make that cut & then he will make his official visit here. I understand Arizona is one of the eight, but on this one I don’t think they play as much of a factor as in others. Be nice to get him on a 2nd visit.
This has been my guy this recruiting season, liked him from the get go. He came away from KU with a pretty good impression " REALLY LOUD saying he thought his ears were about ready to fall off, Super loud, and they fans with the chants" Devon is a very strong ball handler, the article says he dominated the Under Armour camp, leading in points, and Steals. Was asked what he wanted to work on in August and he said his outside shot, & consistency. They also said that a lot of pg’s are a little soft but opponents who have played against Devon say they feel it after a game against him - - -his response is he likes to play physical - -play hard.
Of our competition for him Devon stated that Florida has been in contact with him Forever and he has formed a great relationship with the staff. – This is why really important to get that 2nd visit here. One thing I have found a little interesting with Devon, him being from Carolina that none of the Big time Schools are in his final 8 Duke, N Carolina, N C State, - - and no Kentucky either, just a little different this time for a change lol. He States Miami is stilla serious contender also still BUT again I think now it is KU/Fl battle.
So question - -when does the live period end anyways, that’s when he is cutting his list - -after that. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Florida has the biggest need for a PG out of any of the teams involved. KU is next after that. If its down to relationships its going to be a KU/Florida battle. If he takes his visit to Arizona things can change, kids come back from that visit and don’t go anywhere else. I’m stunned Quinerly didn’t commit after his official but he seems to be content on going through the free trip process first.
-
Just a follow up to Little and the Wing Position.
I think KU would be wise to wait out for RJ Barrett.
If Zion goes to Kentucky, Duke lands Reddish then KU has a great chance to position itself for Barrett once he announces his reclassification.
I know we have a ton of wings but you clear the sea for Barrett if he wants to come. He knows about Wiggins and I’m sure Jackson helps us there as well.
-
KU has a real chance at Barrett.
-
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It would be the perfect situation if we landed both.
Both fill needs and both have been recruited with the same pitch that KU needs ball handlers and someone to play with Charlie Moore. What likely will happen is KU lands one of them and then takes Noah Locke who’s a 4 star player that can shoot the J with the best of them in HS. That’s probably a more realistic situation for KU but anything can happen. Self should be trying to land multiple elite guards because KU should be able to give them minutes
Some people think there isn’t PT available but yeah I agree with your take.
Dotson and Grimes would be perfecto. Dotson a pure point and Grimes could play off him.
-
BShark said:
KU has a real chance at Barrett.
Good call my friend , we just possibly might be able to get this to work. The kid is an Animal ya only listed at 6’6 but still just a freak. Article says Duke, Kentucky, Michigan, & Oregon are considered front runners but Arizona, KU, Texas, & UCLA right there also. Then with the CB - -again it’s the CB but yet they have Duke at 57% and then KU at 29% and then Kentucky at 14% - -sounds like he might be seriously considering to re-classify to 2018 - - - interesting to see how this turns out
Also read that Cole Anthony who is ranked the # 1 pg in the class of 2019 says that Louisville, Indiana, Miami, & KU are the one’s that he is hearing a lot from. - - Some mention of him being like a Kyrie Irving with a bounce. - -nasty crossover over - -then when you look at his list of top 5 schools shows that at this point KU is the only of the 5 with warm - - hmmmmm. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
