Josh Suspended For 1 Game
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@dylans …and maybe the driver he hires is fast and slick enough to avoid legal consequences for accidents the likes of which Josh was too inexperienced to escape?
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@REHawk I was thinking avoid them altogether!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said:
Josh is definitely learning the hard way.
I am afraid there is little evidence he is learning anything. And he is hurting his teammates with this crap.
I am just afraid he thinks he has Self over a barrel. Our OADs have been really good about completing their schoolwork, so they haven’t hurt the KU Academic Performance Index. But any one of them could pull a Ben Simmons and cause all types of problems.
I doubt if HCBS feels he has the same range of options as he has for someone who needs KU more than KU needs him. And that is one of the many issues with having your program depend on getting those guys–once the season winds down, they no longer feel as vested but they are still as stupid as other freshmen.
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@mayjay Very well said. Lots of moving parts.
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@BeddieKU23 this isn’t with the vandalism of the car? - -JUMPIN - - GEE – HOSSA - -FATS. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@dylans Not a chance that he will avoid future problems off the court. If I am an NBA evaluator I’m beginning to feel reservations about staking a #1 or #2 draft status on this kid. Terrific player with major upside on the court, but a problem child awaiting legal issues outside the gym. For him to have boxed himself and the coaching staff into a post season suspension, even for one weak opponent, he has placed the program in jeopardy. Piss ant misbehaviors!
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you think some people over react just a tad on some of this? - -I mean ya, it’s not good but dam some people make it like the sky is falling.
I mean let’s keep this is perspective good GOD, some posters here are more worried about the program instead of the person. - -He is a teenage kid -I’ll ask this one more time - -name me or tell me of ONE PESON here that hasn’t pulled some kind of bone head mistake during their growing up years? - If someone says me - -I call BS, All - -and I mean everyone has made mistakes in their life - -you grow from your mistakes -you learn from your mistakes - -BUT for some people who come across my worried or the program and not the kid - -is bullshit. - Everyone makes quote unquote " piss ant " decisions some time or another. There are some people I just have to shake my head at.
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Boy if Henry Ford hadn’t invented the car we’ never have anything to talk about with Josh Jackson.
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For cripes sake, it was a small fender bender while backing up in a parking lot. Although he did not leave his information at the time, he apparently took care of it but did not inform the coaching staff. A mistake? Obviously yes. Is he a poor driver? Likely. Is this going to scare NBA scouts? Not a chance.
When I worked at a gas station in my Freshman year in college…back then when gas station had attendants who pumped gas and checked the oil…there was one scuzzy looking guy that would stop by in a super beat up car and bragged how he parked near the exit of a luxury condominium high rise and waited for older drivers to exist and then drove right in front of them and got hit and settled for cash on the spot. We finally told one of the cops that used to stop by and the police eventually followed and arrested him for creating accidents
I can see how there could be people that would do the same to a guy that is expected to be a millionaire in a few months.and I can also see why Josh would be leery of that happening…and no, I am not saying this is what happened but I can understand why Josh would do what he did; I don’t condone it but I can certainly understand it.
Having done my share of bone headed mistakes when young, I am not one to pass judgement on this kid that is under a microscope, something I cannot even imagine what is like. Had one of the end of bench players done the same thing, we would not have even heard of it.
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@JayHawkFanToo Thank you exactly what I’m saying I mean good gosh. I got a question I just got into a discussion with my brother, about this - -is this car that Josh hit - -I does this car belong to the female KU basketball player Calvert? - - - He is saying how she shouldn’t have a chance to come back, her scholi shouldn’t have a chance to come back - -did this accident involve her car? - I didn’t think THIS time had anything to do with her did it? - -I know the vandalism did- -but this is totally separate right? - -He said this was her car thatJosh hit - -I don’t think so right - this has nothing to do with her does it this time?
On another note with Josh being suspended this game so what - Does that mean we play Vick & SVI in the starting line up, don’t have much choice do we? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Apparently its not. A separate issue. I had originally thought this was KU/or Self caving to the media pressure and suspending him. Well technically this other issue and subsequent suspension are linked because its unlikely he would have been suspended at all if he didn’t have a separate vandalism case.
Continual poor choices is now costing us a star player for a game.
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Separate incidents. Vick will be starting for Jackson with Bragg first off the bench and Coleby and Lightfoot probably seeing decent playing time. should be able to handle TCU short handed but a loss would not bother me too much since it provides extended rest time before teh games that actually count
KU’s #1 seed is by all practical purposes locked in but you never know…a loss to TCU might give the committee the excuse it needs to shaft KU.
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The rest thing sounds great.
But losing to a team that has lost 7 straight games wouldn’t be considered positive either
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@JayHawkFanToo sounds like he took care of it after video tape Proved it was his car. It’s wrong! Deserves to sit. I still think he’ll learn, but I have a lot of faith in most kids.
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I did not say it was right or condoned it; I just said I understand it. I have no issue with the one game suspension either.
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@wissox DAMN Henry Ford…
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@dylans Hit and run is a little bit of a character issue… Let’s not act like it isn’t.
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…not unless Coach Self plays the rest of your starters 20 minutes and lets the bench go at it…
I don’t think Coach Self would do this since many would consider disrespectful to the other team, even when it gives it a chance to move on and earn the automatic bid.
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Good thing Embiid didn’t learn how to drive!
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@JayHawkFanToo If it were “just a fender bender” he wouldn’t be going to court… And trying to explain it away like he was being extorted is even funnier. He broke the law. Ran. And then made it worse.
The one good thing is that at least he has a conscience and somehow took care of 90% of the issue.
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He would tweet from the scene of the accident…
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@wissox hahah too true!
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Carlton Bragg? Please report to the front desk. Carlton Bragg.
Time for Carlton to experience Ball growth of both kinds!
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You really need to re-read my post. It was indeed the textbook definition of a fender bender.. He was given a ticket for careless driving, after the fact, and like with every single ticket issued for any reason, a court date was provided. He can either pay the fine, if one is specified in the ticket, talk to the prosecuting attorney at the pleading docket or get an attorney and contest the charge.
In my neck of the woods, if restitution has been made, the ticket is usually dismissed for the lighter offenses or amended to a non-moving violation and the fine doubled for the not so light offenses; this is even done with speeding tickets, provided the speed did not exceed certain limit or was in school zone during restricted hours. Nothing new here that is not done most everywhere.
This is what I said:
"I can see how there could be people that would do the same to a guy that is expected to be a millionaire in a few months.and I can also see why Josh would be leery of that happening…and no, I am not saying this is what happened but I can understand why Josh would do what he did; I don’t condone it but I can certainly understand it."
Now, where did I say he was being extorted? I guess you missed this part…
"I am not saying this is what happened…"
I was simply relating a personal experience to illustrate how celebrities and wealthy people are frequent targets of people trying to make a quick buck. That’s all.
Again, I did not say it was right or condoned it; I just said I understand it.
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@JayHawkFanToo It was a hit and run for a hefty majority of people. If it was just that, a fender bender, than why did you even bring up the other examples?
You are trying to justify what he did. You can say all the little quips afterwards, “I don’t condone”, “I’m not saying that’s what happened.” But when you say the things you do before that, it nullifies that you actually believe it. You are saying it just so you don’t get any backlash.
If you don’t condone behavior, don’t make excuses for it. Otherwise, you are actually condoning it.
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I clearly wrote I don’t condone it…I don’t know how I can be any clearer than that
There is a big difference between “condoning” which I don’t and "understanding: which I do. You want to see what you want and not what I clearly meant in my post and that is OK, we obviously have different opinions and we should leave it at that.
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10 times.
What’s that?
The number of times now I have thrown up a warning that our basketball program needs to have a system in place to better monitor players while off the court.
I’m already sickened by the east coast media discounting our incredible season, with incredible players… just to beat the drum of some silly issues (except the alleged rape).
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Josh Jackson.
Giving KU fans an unlikely topic to argue about since 2016.
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That would be nice…but how do you do it?
The programs has monitors in place that wait for every player at every class they take and if he misses class the coaching staff gets the information immediately. Other than that, short of having a chaperone with every player 24/7, there is not really much else the program can do; you can’t really monitor a player all the time, to do so it would be not only impossible/impractical but bordering on illegal…invasion of privacy and such.
Coach Self has indicated in many occasions that players are constantly and repeatedly reminded of the rules, not only the NCAA but the school and program/team rules as well. No question this has been a trying year but I would not say it is typical of the program which by and large has been pretty clean.
Again, I understand where you are comi9ng from and what you mean but I just don’t see how it could be done.
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The only way is to chaperone on every player 24/7. The chaperones are usually other players, like walk-ons. And there should be one player being “the mom.” There has to be a structure of accountability. Schedules in writing… etc.
This is how it worked when I played ball in Europe. And we visited many countries that had different laws, customs and language. It was a bigger deal in eastern block countries. It worked very, very well!
There is simply no excuse for what has happened this year. None.
I’m willing to bet that if we don’t do something about this… we will have something very very bad happen soon!
Actually… I bet this could really HELP our recruiting (instead of possibly hurting it because of our current press). I think a lot of parents would appreciate the focus on off-court activities!
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I’m surprised Josh didn’t tell a teammate about the accident. I would think they wouldn’t hesitate to tell him to tell coach! Those asst coaches check on them.
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Probably afraid that with all that has been going on off-court Coach will blow a gasket…he should know better.
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Not an overreaction to be really disgusted by him running away when, at the time this happened, he was already on double secret probation for the December incident.
Our youngest son, a week after he got his license, got jammed trying to go down a gradual incline in an ice storm. Even at less than 5 mph he slid sideways on a hairpin turn in a housing development that had cars parked on both sides. He called us, really upset. I told him to put a note on the car with our number
He said he didn’t need to. He had gone door to door to 6 houses, without a jacket in the storm, and found the owner. Never prouder of him in my life–except maybe when he adopted his stepdaughter.
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We would have ever players to step up we will be just fine
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@JayHawkFanToo upper classmen would know better!
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“There are no truths outside the Gates of Eden…”
–Bob Dylan
We don’t know what really happened. We have never learned what really happened with any incident. We never will be allowed to know.
Rashamon has to be updated. Instead of a bunch persons seeing a crime a bunch of different ways, the contemporary version would be a bunch of persons not knowing what happened in a bunch of different ways!
Whatever happened, he misses a game and we have field a 6 man rotation, or play rubber knee Coleby in a 3-2 hi-LO, or Lightfoot in god knows what.
Hrrrmph!!!
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The one thing that concerns me with the game tomorrow afternoon with Josh being out - -more if we hook up with TCU - -seems like they were working us over pretty good on the boards for a good portion of the game, and I think this is where we are going to miss Josh - him being our 2nd leading rebounder that, and top of that if TCU plays that zone Josh is a pretty good at distributing the ball out of the middle - these will be things we will miss matching up against TCU tomorrow I believe. We are just going to have to have either Vick or Bragg or both step it up tomorrow, should be ok as long a we just don’t let Williams, Broziosky , sorry hell I can’t spell it, but you get the drift and Robinson go nuts. - -ROC CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 josh didn’t play much the first time we played them, foul trouble. We’ll step up!
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@KUSTEVE Shit yes Jethro-they’d hit back !
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Josh was driving a “friend’s” car. You think one of those friends was a teammate? Just guessing.
Or maybe it was a “runner’s” car – maybe McLemore’s “runner?”
The KC Star is plotting its next move.
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@mayjay great character shown by your son!
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Some clever detail to this one. Had a few laughs reading that one including the suttle jab to Mizzou at the bottom
Front page of the Star today
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@REHawk: “Not a chance that he will avoid future problems off the court. If I am an NBA evaluator I’m beginning to feel reservations about staking a #1 or #2 draft status on this kid. Terrific player with major upside on the court, but a problem child awaiting legal issues outside the gym.”
BOOM LOWERING by The Coach!
Gulp!
Watch out, Josh!
Coach’s are often right about this. This part of coaches is experience AND instinct. They’re like well-trained bird dogs. When they go on a hard point you’ve got to trust the bird is there.
Go to a therapist NOW, while you still have a chance before the SHTF.
Rock Chalk!
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You’ve been on point about this for awhile. Kudos.
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He made a mistake which he is paying for. He acted, once again, very immaturely. No argument there. Glad that Mayjay’s son did the right thing - our son ( Josh ) didn’t do the right thing, and has to sit out a game.
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and could subsequently lose a game because of that mistake… hope the guys rally around each other today
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Pro teams care primarily about what the player will do on the court. If you don’t think so I have two words for you - Tyreek Hill - apparently the fans don’t care much either. Compared to what Hill did, Jackson is the proverbial altar boy.
Last night the Baylor beat writer was on 610AM and indicated that Jackson’s game most closely resembles Kawhi Leonard, the player many believe to be the best in the NBA. A player with that potential will not be ignored.
Yes, what Jackson did were boneheaded mistakes of an immature teenager. Will they jeopardize his career? Absent any other big issues, absolutely not.
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Early in the season Josh showed his immaturity in getting T’d up all too frequently. Then you listen to him in the post game reports and he sounds very mature, very collected. Then he crashes a car a panics like an immature kid.
What I see are growing pains. I feel he is maturing, but another year in college would do him wonders in the personal growth area. As a basketball player he is ready for the league.
Michael Beasley was extremely immature according to those who knew him. Unfortunetly with all his talent he was unable to get his head on straight and never flourished. I feel Josh will succeed, but Michael is a precautionary tale.
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Has this created the opportunity for KU to lose today and not be penalized a little bit by the selection committee?
Is there someone thinking… “we only have 7 tournament-capable players so we don’t need to risk an injury?”
Inquiring minds want to know.
The only thing I see is Frank Mason. And I believe he has taken my mantra “Done Losin’” and has run with it.
I’m looking forward to today’s game. This is an awesome opportunity for Frank and Devonte to reunite as two leaders on this team. I see this as a growth opportunity for both. There is a very good chance we lose Josh in a game or two at sometime in March. Foul trouble is quite possible for Josh. He still shows signs of being a freshman and the pressure is just about to go up.
