Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 I’m not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. I’m lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children won’t wear mask or social distance, you’d have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
I’ve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think we’re down to the least bad option. I’ve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I can’t find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
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We are a home provider for an Autistic adult (he’s mid 20’s but really has the mentality of a 8 year old) and the change in structure was extremely challenging for both sides when the lockdowns took place. His entire routine was uprooted and we basically hit our breaking point with him and still even months later its day to day. It’s been a very difficult struggle so I can only imagine what your going through as well raising your own that relied on the structure of normal life.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 I’m not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. I’m lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children won’t wear mask or social distance, you’d have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
I’ve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think we’re down to the least bad option. I’ve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I can’t find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
What do we do about teachers considered “at risk”? Or teachers I know who are primary care givers for their elderly parents?
I’ve already decided I will be in school for whatever schedule or plan they decide on. I’m not old. I’m healthy. I don’t have kids. I can limit my contact with others to pretty much just my partner and my dog. I would say most teachers aren’t in my same situation.
Another big concern for me are all my students who live with grandparents or caregivers with underlying conditions? How do we ask them to expose themselves and their loved ones?
I’m afraid we have to go back to online which has its own set of problems for learning, for parents, for students with special needs. I can’t even imagine what this has been like for those parents who are trying to work from home if they can or having to go into work as essential workers. Add in the necessary services many kids require from school… this whole thing is definitely lose lose.
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@kjayhawks I feel for ya. I was a special ed teacher for my first 5 years so I know a little about how necessary that structure is for a lot of students. I spin out about 2-3 times a week racking my brain to figure out how this can work in August and am yet to come to an acceptable solution.
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If we only didn’t open to early, and wore masks! Kansas was doing so good! Such a simple thing but no, can’t tell them what to do!
🦠. Now here we are.
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Wish there was a poll to help understand if the folks refusing to wear masks also refuse to wear seatbelts (which only endangers themselves), smoke wherever they want, drink and drive, smoke and drink while pregnant, ignore warning labels on products, think the earth is flat, etc.
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@bskeet I would bet on a strong correlation between the results of your proposed survey with surveys revealing which candidate those people plan to vote for this Nov.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 I’m not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. I’m lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children won’t wear mask or social distance, you’d have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
I’ve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think we’re down to the least bad option. I’ve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I can’t find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
Alternating days doesn’t work either because those plans that have been proposed still call for teachers on campus every day so teachers can’t help kids on their days off campus. You also run into issues of childcare for younger kids in single parent households or where both parents have to work outside the home.
One district here in Houston has already announced they’re going to be online only this year, but I’m fully preparing to have about 9 months of no social life or be able to see my mom who’s in her early 70’s because exposure is going to happen and districts here have pretty much said unless you’re showing symptoms, show up and if catch Covid, tough luck because you aren’t getting any extra sick days if you need them.
This school year is going to be an absolute
show this year because there is no good option. They are all plans with significant issues that can’t realistically be solved.
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Here’s my K-12 plan: Go back to the old rural school model on a neighborhood scale. All grades taught in each location by one or two teachers with a bunch of online components. No more than 20 or 30 kids per “school.” Keep siblings together. No buses. That way if you get an outbreak, it’s limited to maybe a dozen households instead the entire town.
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Another thread with good questions to be thinking about right now with school reopening plans.
https://twitter.com/alrobertsontx03/status/1282822525119008768?s=21
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Another thread with good questions to be thinking about right now with school reopening plans.
https://twitter.com/alrobertsontx03/status/1282822525119008768?s=21
Announced this morning that in San Diego & Los Angles kids will not be returning to School when it starts up. 40 States are now showing rapid increases the COVID-19. Think this is just the beginning of where in the end there will be a lot of States that once again put the halt of kids returning to School. People wanted to hurry up and re-open , now we are seeing the results from this. – -People wanting to act like nothing ever happened , ignoring the restrictions that were in place when re=opening, it’s great that you re-open , but was supposed to be opened in Stages.
You had Governors leave it up to the individual Counties how to approach how to handle this - - you see the results. Just like Sedgwick County here in Kansas they removed everything and BOY you talk about spike.
I had a Dr visit yesterday and was passing conversation and thought I’d ask - - - is it spiking as bad as they say it is? - -her response was for sure. I ask about my County Shawneee , she said it’s BAD, hospitals getting full again. thing is they said they are even more worried about having the staff to treat. Heard on the news like between the two hospitals here that between the self quarinteend and then positive staff cases they has 150employess who couldn’t come in.
I said ya , and I just love how the Govt is trying to down play saying - - - OH we good , look at the mortality rate - - the deaths are down. - - Dam that doesn’t mean we are in good shape , just because Deaths are down. - -Do people have to die to make this be a serious problem ? - - Thousands upon Thousands of people still sick - hospitalizations. My Dr said that just because Deaths are down is one reason is the targeted individual is now younger, she said doesn’t make it anybetter. She was talking not all getting reported talking about the time span it takes from reporting to testing positive and the the incubation period and then ventalization to Death or viciously sick - -time to wake up people this crap is going no where- -like they just said now on the radio - -you got to TAKE THIS VIRUS SERIOUSLY not just try and blow it off -MR PRESIDENT - - UMM - -HELLO
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@jayballer73 Meanwhile, the White House focuses on trying to smear and pin all blame on Dr Fauci for their crappy response to Covid at it’s outset instead of actually doing their job right now.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Meanwhile, the White House focuses on trying to smear and pin all blame on Dr Fauci for their crappy response to Covid at it’s outset instead of actually doing their job right now.
Actually got my count wrong on Hospital employees it’s right at 200 at Store Mt Vail & 30 at St Francis, out of these totals they are saying only about 30 have contacted this at the Hospitals - - others have contacted in the Community spread. - California now in a shut down - - Again
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 I’m not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. I’m lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children won’t wear mask or social distance, you’d have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
I’ve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think we’re down to the least bad option. I’ve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I can’t find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
Alternating days doesn’t work either because those plans that have been proposed still call for teachers on campus every day so teachers can’t help kids on their days off campus. You also run into issues of childcare for younger kids in single parent households or where both parents have to work outside the home.
One district here in Houston has already announced they’re going to be online only this year, but I’m fully preparing to have about 9 months of no social life or be able to see my mom who’s in her early 70’s because exposure is going to happen and districts here have pretty much said unless you’re showing symptoms, show up and if catch Covid, tough luck because you aren’t getting any extra sick days if you need them.
This school year is going to be an absolute
show this year because there is no good option. They are all plans with significant issues that can’t realistically be solved.I think it could work. I didn’t even have full time kindergarten in Kansas. Half the grade went MWF one week, TU the next. If you incorporated the online element, you could conceivably pull it off so long as you give folks some runway to plan. I don’t like it, but I think both the full bore everyone in person or nobody in person are unacceptable. It keeps buses less full, and classrooms more spaced out so you mitigate risk to the most people while still getting some in person instruction.
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@FarmerJayhawk I might be inclined to think this could work if you could get staff every other day as well. The biggest problem is the adults. We are more likely to get it, spread it, and suffer from it. And while adults can mostly be trusted to follow guidelines and take safety precautions, all the evidence right now shows if you put a bunch of adults in a building for extended periods of time, you will have community spread and this thing spreads too fast and for too long without being detected.
And then there’s sick leave and quarantine for those who inevitably get it. I’ve yet to see a plan the truly addresses this. Substitute teachers have been hard to come by before the pandemic and all the ones I know have said no way will they put themselves at that much risk for the $80-$100 a day.
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It will be tough to open schools a month from now if we don’t cut the spread dramatically in the next few weeks. That means masks, social distancing, the whole gamut.
Trying to open schools without taking precautions right now is a secondary disaster waiting to happen. Schools will act as a hot zone, with one case quickly turning into a few dozen. We do not have enough willing, qualified and capable teachers to deal with an outbreak ON ANY SCALE. I doubt you will find many substitutes willing to come in if there is a large COVID-19 outbreak in a school system.
And if teachers have to double up with students, that will make things worse rather than better.
The answer is not to just forge ahead, damn the consequences. We need a plan that will cut the spread now, and protect students and teachers later.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 I’m not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. I’m lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children won’t wear mask or social distance, you’d have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
I’ve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think we’re down to the least bad option. I’ve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I can’t find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
Alternating days doesn’t work either because those plans that have been proposed still call for teachers on campus every day so teachers can’t help kids on their days off campus. You also run into issues of childcare for younger kids in single parent households or where both parents have to work outside the home.
One district here in Houston has already announced they’re going to be online only this year, but I’m fully preparing to have about 9 months of no social life or be able to see my mom who’s in her early 70’s because exposure is going to happen and districts here have pretty much said unless you’re showing symptoms, show up and if catch Covid, tough luck because you aren’t getting any extra sick days if you need them.
This school year is going to be an absolute
show this year because there is no good option. They are all plans with significant issues that can’t realistically be solved.I think it could work. I didn’t even have full time kindergarten in Kansas. Half the grade went MWF one week, TU the next. If you incorporated the online element, you could conceivably pull it off so long as you give folks some runway to plan. I don’t like it, but I think both the full bore everyone in person or nobody in person are unacceptable. It keeps buses less full, and classrooms more spaced out so you mitigate risk to the most people while still getting some in person instruction.
It’s still a
plan because you’re now asking teachers to do two jobs. If students go alternating days to reduce class sizes, who helps students with questions about their assignments when those kids are off campus? Is it the teacher of record who would presumably be in a classroom teaching the other half of students supposed to take even more of their own time to answer those questions? How do special education students receive their services online? How does a kid who can’t afford the technology to work from home acquire that technology when the school district doesn’t have enough devices to have a 1:1 ratio? What do you do for the kid that’s too young to stay home alone, but doesn’t have a parent or guardian that can accommodate their schedule or afford child care?Alternating days is not a viable solution for this issue because what’s going to happen with that plan is an insane amount of burnout among teachers from being overworked which will lead to much more reduced level of education than either of the other two options.
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https://www.hutchnews.com/news/20200714/marshall-tours-kansas-farms-agribusinesses
Read the end about school
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 I’m not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. I’m lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children won’t wear mask or social distance, you’d have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
I’ve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think we’re down to the least bad option. I’ve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I can’t find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
Alternating days doesn’t work either because those plans that have been proposed still call for teachers on campus every day so teachers can’t help kids on their days off campus. You also run into issues of childcare for younger kids in single parent households or where both parents have to work outside the home.
One district here in Houston has already announced they’re going to be online only this year, but I’m fully preparing to have about 9 months of no social life or be able to see my mom who’s in her early 70’s because exposure is going to happen and districts here have pretty much said unless you’re showing symptoms, show up and if catch Covid, tough luck because you aren’t getting any extra sick days if you need them.
This school year is going to be an absolute
show this year because there is no good option. They are all plans with significant issues that can’t realistically be solved.I think it could work. I didn’t even have full time kindergarten in Kansas. Half the grade went MWF one week, TU the next. If you incorporated the online element, you could conceivably pull it off so long as you give folks some runway to plan. I don’t like it, but I think both the full bore everyone in person or nobody in person are unacceptable. It keeps buses less full, and classrooms more spaced out so you mitigate risk to the most people while still getting some in person instruction.
It’s still a
plan because you’re now asking teachers to do two jobs. If students go alternating days to reduce class sizes, who helps students with questions about their assignments when those kids are off campus? Is it the teacher of record who would presumably be in a classroom teaching the other half of students supposed to take even more of their own time to answer those questions? How do special education students receive their services online? How does a kid who can’t afford the technology to work from home acquire that technology when the school district doesn’t have enough devices to have a 1:1 ratio? What do you do for the kid that’s too young to stay home alone, but doesn’t have a parent or guardian that can accommodate their schedule or afford child care?Alternating days is not a viable solution for this issue because what’s going to happen with that plan is an insane amount of burnout among teachers from being overworked which will lead to much more reduced level of education than either of the other two options.
Again, we’ve done this before, so I’m not inventing things from whole cloth here. I never even said it was good, just the best of a lot of bad options. What you’re going to have to do is spend some time each day addressing questions about the material that come up for students who don’t have access to that technology. At least this way they’ll have an opportunity to get those questions answered, unlike an online only plan. And at least parents will have part time child care and not have to exit the labor force altogether and maybe come up with a device and reliable internet connection.
Based on the evidence around virtual charters, we can’t go all virtual because the loss of learning will absolutely be catastrophic, and those schools are build from the ground up to teach virtually! And students need the school environment to be around peers and develop non-cognitive skills. We can’t just pretend you can pause the clock for 15 months. Plus, it will really exacerbate already existing inequities in the system. So what do we do? Have to mitigate risk as best we can and balance health and education. If it requires the feds to provide additional resources, so be it. Whether that’s additional technology, PPE (NC is distributing masks and other things to all their schools), or whatever.
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@FarmerJayhawk Based on my personal experience, I straight up disagree with an alternating day schedule being the best option for the reasons I mentioned.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk Based on my personal experience, I straight up disagree with an alternating day schedule being the best option for the reasons I mentioned.
And that’s fine, I appreciate the dialog. So as a teacher, what do you suggest? Honestly curious because all I keep coming up with is shit, shittier, and shittiest depending on the day.
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We are officially going virtual only in Austin for the first 3 weeks starting Aug 18 according to our superintendent.
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@FarmerJayhawk
is about all there is in regards to options. There’s no one blanket option that’s going to work across-the-board. Since the TEA here in Texas at this point has no plans to work in their offices until January, but still expect teachers to show up everyday even if they’ve been exposed and only stay home if they have any symptoms until they get test results back. If a teacher tests positive and has to miss a bunch of time and go over however many sick days they have, then you don’t get paid for those days you miss after you’ve run out of days.The TEA is also planning on moving forward with their standardized testing this year even though most schools will likely have shutdowns at some point and will be playing catch up from last year since most teachers I know reported only about 1/3 of students actually did any work last spring because word got out quickly that they couldn’t be retained for not doing that work. A lot of teachers are pretty pissed off at the TEA because of their hypocrisy in handling the situation.
My personal thoughts are the TEA needs to invest in technology to get every district to a 1:1 ratio in regards to technology whether it’s through Chromebooks or tablets or something so kids have access to technology at least. Most politicians on both sides are only really focused of the needs of students, but not on the needs of teachers in regards to reopening plans and that’s going to bite people in the ass when schools have a Covid outbreak and have to shut back down. It doesn’t matter if it’s 5 days a week or alternating days, having in person learning at this point, at least here in Texas and probably most of the south, is just going to result in a cycle of outbreaks, shut downs, and returns and be far more disruptive than starting online.
My district specifically this week sent out emails to parents giving them the option of sending their kids to school for in person learning or staying home. What they didn’t do is provide any details on what protocols will be in place to attempt to minimize the risk of an outbreak. The district hasn’t even sent a plan to teachers about what on campus instruction will look like and I’m 2 weeks out from having to return to campus to start prepping for football, if it happens. Without an answer to that, I don’t know if I have 2 or 3 weeks of summer left and my campus athletic coordinator doesn’t know yet either. That’s an answer that needs to be made known as well because of how much money in stipends is involved.
My savings account prefers on campus with sports because no sports means about $7,000 in salary reduction for me which is a significant amount of money to have in limbo at this point.
If you’re going to ask me which one would be the least disruptive, I would go with online because then there’s at least consistency there and has the lowest risk of disruption in learning. That said, lower socio-economic school districts like mine that simply don’t have the resources to get 1:1 technology at this point make going online impractical and not feasible.
Realistically, the decision needs to be district by district and in the case of larger school districts, school by school in regards to what’s best for those populations.
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Well, Governor Kelly just had her news conference and said she is making a executive order that goes into effect Monday - - - Schools will be delayed in opening at least till after Labor day weekend. & then after that the Schools will have mandates in the order.
They will have to see after that. - - -The White house yesterday they said declared Kansas a RED Zone - -we had 875 new cases over the weekend and 11 deaths. - - Part of being a Red Zone is COVID-19 with a positive rate of over 10 % - -Dr Norman is very dissapointed about how people reacted when restrictions was lifted. - -Hey said they knew we would spike after the 4th of July weekend but NOT this high - -we are not having sports this fall watch. - - - -this effects K-12 hold on to your butts
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well, Governor Kelly just had her news conference and said she is making a executive order that goes into effect Monday - - - Schools will be delayed in opening at least till after Labor day weekend. & then after that the Schools will have mandates in the order.
They will have to see after that. - - -The White house yesterday they said declared Kansas a RED Zone - -we had 875 new cases over the weekend and 11 deaths. - - Part of being a Red Zone is COVID-19 with a positive rate of over 10 % - -Dr Norman is very dissapointed about how people reacted when restrictions was lifted. - -Hey said they knew we would spike after the 4th of July weekend but NOT this high - -we are not having sports this fall watch. - - - -this effects K-12 hold on to your butts
Subject to SBoE approval. Will be interesting to see how they vote.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well, Governor Kelly just had her news conference and said she is making a executive order that goes into effect Monday - - - Schools will be delayed in opening at least till after Labor day weekend. & then after that the Schools will have mandates in the order.
They will have to see after that. - - -The White house yesterday they said declared Kansas a RED Zone - -we had 875 new cases over the weekend and 11 deaths. - - Part of being a Red Zone is COVID-19 with a positive rate of over 10 % - -Dr Norman is very dissapointed about how people reacted when restrictions was lifted. - -Hey said they knew we would spike after the 4th of July weekend but NOT this high - -we are not having sports this fall watch. - - - -this effects K-12 hold on to your butts
Subject to SBoE approval. Will be interesting to see how they vote.
think she was ask about legislators being able to overturn and her reply was they would only be able to review and not over turn. Think this stems from the 1st time , they overturned her decision and she went through court to uphold her decision- -I’m not real clear on that though I know this though if we are being declared a Red Zone - -thats not good
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well, Governor Kelly just had her news conference and said she is making a executive order that goes into effect Monday - - - Schools will be delayed in opening at least till after Labor day weekend. & then after that the Schools will have mandates in the order.
They will have to see after that. - - -The White house yesterday they said declared Kansas a RED Zone - -we had 875 new cases over the weekend and 11 deaths. - - Part of being a Red Zone is COVID-19 with a positive rate of over 10 % - -Dr Norman is very dissapointed about how people reacted when restrictions was lifted. - -Hey said they knew we would spike after the 4th of July weekend but NOT this high - -we are not having sports this fall watch. - - - -this effects K-12 hold on to your butts
Subject to SBoE approval. Will be interesting to see how they vote.
think she was ask about legislators being able to overturn and her reply was they would only be able to review and not over turn. Think this stems from the 1st time , they overturned her decision and she went through court to uphold her decision- -I’m not real clear on that though I know this though if we are being declared a Red Zone - -thats not good
The legislature can repeal her authority to do this in its entirety if they really want to. Under current law, the Board of Education has the power to overturn the order.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well, Governor Kelly just had her news conference and said she is making a executive order that goes into effect Monday - - - Schools will be delayed in opening at least till after Labor day weekend. & then after that the Schools will have mandates in the order.
They will have to see after that. - - -The White house yesterday they said declared Kansas a RED Zone - -we had 875 new cases over the weekend and 11 deaths. - - Part of being a Red Zone is COVID-19 with a positive rate of over 10 % - -Dr Norman is very dissapointed about how people reacted when restrictions was lifted. - -Hey said they knew we would spike after the 4th of July weekend but NOT this high - -we are not having sports this fall watch. - - - -this effects K-12 hold on to your butts
Subject to SBoE approval. Will be interesting to see how they vote.
think she was ask about legislators being able to overturn and her reply was they would only be able to review and not over turn. Think this stems from the 1st time , they overturned her decision and she went through court to uphold her decision- -I’m not real clear on that though I know this though if we are being declared a Red Zone - -thats not good
The legislature can repeal her authority to do this in its entirety if they really want to. Under current law, the Board of Education has the power to overturn the order. From what I could tell I think the Board was pretty much behind her as they were at the Conference - -I am not 100 % on this - -but you could see this coming
yet this time round I don’t think that’s going to happen.
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@FarmerJayhawk I think she worked with Watson, she worked with them yesterday.
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I think this is a good call at this point, see where we are at in a month and address it then. Obviously it would be insane to think young kids are going to social distance and wear masks all day.
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“Supplies like masks thermometers and hand sanitizer and it allow each superintendent to thoroughly review the plan from the board of education to figure out what strategy is best for their district,” said Kelly. “The board and I are united in prioritizing the health of our students and faculty and ensuring we provide a world-class education for our students.”
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This seems like a bad idea: https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/1283261781008437248?s=21
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@benshawks08 this is scary!
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@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I think this is a good call at this point, see where we are at in a month and address it then. Obviously it would be insane to think young kids are going to social distance and wear masks all day.
I had read where they were working on or are going to try when they do open that any child 6th grade and above wear masks - -under 6th they are not required. Voidance of lockers , stagger how many kids are in the halls at the same time - - stagger lunches - -and sanitize hands every hour - -I think it’s a good call too
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@FarmerJayhawk boe still has to approve it, I was wrong, but I guess everyone thinks they will pass it.
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Some info about transmission in kids related to schools opening.
https://twitter.com/ct_bergstrom/status/1284644413470203909?s=21
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@benshawks08 thanks for this.
We detected COVID-19 in 11.8% of household contacts; rates were higher for contacts of children than adults. These risks largely reflected transmission in the middle of mitigation and therefore might characterize transmission dynamics during school closure
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really tired of hearing some people and I’m not meaning here but in person and though others - really sick and tired of hearing people bitch and whine and moan about having to wear masks.
This is an order that has been put in place by the Governor and another thing people trying to make this political - -this is not a political thing - IT’S A DAM VIRUS enough of the petty bullshit. , this is an order mandated by our Governor who is trying her best to protect people and Children from this virus. - -People who have that crap attitude - -GREAT then YOU get it - -get it like the kid that thought it was a hoax and told the nurse when on his death bed saying I think I made a mistake.
Read of WIBW news day before yesterday , that Kansas as per Capita right now, - leads the Nation for new cases of COVID-19 - -so for the size of our State we have more new Cases of the Virus then any other State -and people don’t want to do whatever they can to try and protect themselves or others against this - - -what kind of bullshit is that ?
Sure these masks are an incovience , sure they are a nuisance but tell you what I’d much rather put up with a little incovience - - nuisance then come down sick with this crap - -may not prevent it , but sure isn’t going to hurt to try and protect against what I can.
Really sick of whinny ass people , crying about these masks. Just like a Clerk told my wife today , telling my wife because of her Condition being on oxygen 24/7 if she wanted to she could go to her specialist and tell them how she has hard time breathing while using the mask , and the wife could go anywhere and not have to wear the mask as long as she had that note exempting her. - - Yet my wife STILL wears a mask - -Why ? because she feels that’s her responsibility to do to try and do her pat for this. - -So if SHE can wear a mask when she really wouldn’t have to and then here sniffling little whinny ass bitches crying about having to - - - umm no take that crap somewhere else just wear the dam mask again it’s not JUST ABOUT YOU. - it’s about your Wife , your Husband , your Brother , your Sister , your Mom , your Dad , your Son , your Daughter , your Neighbors , your best friend - -you have more people’s life at stake then just yours step up and act your got a pair and do your part
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@jayballer73 it’s everywhere. here in Virginia we have a governor’s order to wear them in public but my neighbors still routinely comingle and under 6 feet without masks. The worst problem is that their kids hang out constantly without masks. I wish people would understand that their children too have to make sacrifices. This is a nurse, a football coach and a police officer. Once the virus hits one of them it will roll through them all. They also all quietly think that they’ve already had it. I hope for everyone’s sake that they are right. Really unhappy with people using their kids as an excuse to be irresponsible. Weak.
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@approxinfinity Our neighbor’s husband died last night in the hospital after a week on a ventilator. First fatality we have known personally, although not very closely. Stats are so overwhelming they become almost unfathomable, so hearing her sobbing makes it a lot more real.
And I am afraid much, much worse is yet to come.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 it’s everywhere. here in Virginia we have a governor’s order to wear them in public but my neighbors still routinely comingle and under 6 feet without masks. The worst problem is that their kids hang out constantly without masks. I wish people would understand that their children too have to make sacrifices. This is a nurse, a football coach and a police officer. Once the virus hits one of them it will roll through them all. They also all quietly think that they’ve already had it. I hope for everyone’s sake that they are right. Really unhappy with people using their kids as an excuse to be irresponsible. Weak.
agree, but the thing is it has been proven you can get the virus more then once
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Fauci suppression detailed: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/why-is-this-right-wing-flack-and-roger-stone-ally-in-charge-of-dr-faucis-schedule/
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Fully 1% of the city of Logan has now died of Covid after an outbreak at a nursing home. Just horrific.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Fully 1% of the city of Logan has now died of Covid after an outbreak at a nursing home. Just horrific.
In a small city, an outbreak could be devastating. We have seen this rip through small communities and families already, with some families in previous hotspots enduring three or four deaths within their family. The only difference was that, because this happened in larger cities, those smaller tragedies were covered by the larger narrative in places like New York and New Orleans.
This is a tragedy, and points more and more to why it is so important that we cut off the spread of this virus. It is wiping families out and damaging communities in ways that we don’t even fully understand yet.
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This might be something that Texas Hawk might be able to tell us a little more about. - - -I saw this ans right off I called bullshit , and so did many others , there was a lady that had this Headline that said that in Texas the Hospitals were so full they were sending people home not treating that were more likely to die.
People were all saying delete this bullshit and calling bullshit , then another poster saying that yes here is the proff and shared a link. It was from the Ft Worth Star Telegram and pulled that up and sure enough statements be made from Hospital personal , but it wasn’t the only link there was two or three they put up to reference to , also CNN news had reported suposedly. - fricken hard to believe but had multiple links.
The lady had stated - - -And so it begins , and then she said probably people that was poor or no insurance, somewhere in there was mentioned about people that had multiple underlying health conditions. I still think thats so insane, IF that’s the case you think they would be sitting themselves up for a major Law Suit. - - - Texas Hawk ? is this true ? have you heard anything ?
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This might be something that Texas Hawk might be able to tell us a little more about. - - -I saw this ans right off I called bullshit , and so did many others , there was a lady that had this Headline that said that in Texas the Hospitals were so full they were sending people home not treating that were more likely to die.
People were all saying delete this bullshit and calling bullshit , then another poster saying that yes here is the proff and shared a link. It was from the Ft Worth Star Telegram and pulled that up and sure enough statements be made from Hospital personal , but it wasn’t the only link there was two or three they put up to reference to , also CNN news had reported suposedly. - fricken hard to believe but had multiple links.
The lady had stated - - -And so it begins , and then she said probably people that was poor or no insurance, somewhere in there was mentioned about people that had multiple underlying health conditions. I still think thats so insane, IF that’s the case you think they would be sitting themselves up for a major Law Suit. - - - Texas Hawk ? is this true ? have you heard anything ?
Couldn’t tell you anything about DFW’s status, but I’m assuming it’s just media manipulating numbers to make it seem more dire. Same thing happened here in Houston where there were reports of the Texas Medical Center, which is the largest medical complex in the world, was at 98% capacity. To clarify the situation, the heads of several of those hospitals explained what was going on and it was nowhere near the crisis that it was being built up to be.
The biggest issue hospitals are dealing with at this point is storage space in morgues for the dead, not just Covid deaths, because the social distancing restrictions mean people can’t have funerals so they haven’t been able to bury their deceased.
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@jayballer73 Pretty sure this is what you are referring to. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/texas-starr-county-hospital-coronavirus/index.html
Bad in small towns where capacity is low. I know we’ve had cases brought to austin from smaller towns that can’t handle the growing load.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Pretty sure this is what you are referring to. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/texas-starr-county-hospital-coronavirus/index.html
Bad in small towns where capacity is low. I know we’ve had cases brought to austin from smaller towns that can’t handle the growing load.
yes , I think that was one of the links. Another link was from the Ft Worth Star Telegram , and then was reported by CNN - just sad
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An interesting thread. Long but good.
https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/1287524301499965441?s=21
