Trouble?
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KUSTEVE said:
@Marco Have you noticed the NCAA hasn’t said a peep about us??? I am starting to think Bshark is right- a big nothing burger.
And don’t forget Coach Marco @KUSTEVE, I’ve been saying the same for awhile now myself. Why have I been saying it? Because that is what the NCAA has on us when you really break it down, a big nothing burger - a whole lot of conjecture, speculation, he said this or that, or “hey, listen to this very vague recording! They never did pay him anything though, because Duke went all in and paid him more!” The NCAA is in way over its head, and why? Because someone else’s pockets have been lined instead of just their own?
What’s really crazy about the whole situation is that they act as if it’s a new thing that hasn’t been going on until recently, totally catching them unawares. How much did Wilt cost? How much influence does Nike have over Duke and their suddenly having the #1 bball recruiting class every year? Poor Kentucky, have to settle for #2 every year. How much money is pouring into South Carolina at Clemson, now that they are starting to become college football’s Duke and Alabama becoming poor Kentucky?
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KUSTEVE said:
@Marco Have you noticed the NCAA hasn’t said a peep about us??? I am starting to think Bshark is right- a big nothing burger.
To be fair, NOA’s aren’t public. KU and the NCAA don’t have to acknowledge one, even if one exists. That being said, I haven’t heard a peep from the AD that they’ve received one or anticipate receiving one.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KUSTEVE said:
@Marco Have you noticed the NCAA hasn’t said a peep about us??? I am starting to think Bshark is right- a big nothing burger.
To be fair, NOA’s aren’t public. KU and the NCAA don’t have to acknowledge one, even if one exists. That being said, I haven’t heard a peep from the AD that they’ve received one or anticipate receiving one.
Good info, thank you.
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Shockingly Duke’s investigation into itself uncovered nothing. Lol. Let’s look under this couch for Zion’s payment. Nope not here. How about under this rug? Nope not here. It must be on the up and up. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27555183/duke-probe-finds-no-evidence-nike-paid-zion
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@dylans did anyone happen to look in his blown out shoe? lmao - - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@dylans Did you see Avenatti’s comment? “Who conducted the investigation…Inspector Clouseau?” Not an upstanding citizen, but the comment is still funny.
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Soo since good ol atta boy Duke did their own investigation and could find NOTHING - -roflmao - -that means well if they FOUND NOTHING - then by all means the NCAA shouldn’t do their own investigation - -if bone nose and the boys say – NOPE STILL SQUEAKY CLEAN - -then by all means - -someone making this all up? - -Riiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhhhtttttttt - -lmao
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This is crazy. I assume Sean Miller was just sitting in the corner with ear plugs and his hands over his eyes during this entire escapade. SURE
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It is amazing that nobody really even mentioned or talked about this. That is the only article I saw on it.
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@Marco You wouldn’t think so unless the NCAA has superseded Congress and its law making role.
In reality, there are several federal laws that have broad jurisdiction/blanket laws that can be used for investgations.
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jhawk7782 said:
@Marco You wouldn’t think so unless the NCAA has superseded Congress and its law making role.
In reality, there are several federal laws that have broad jurisdiction/blanket laws that can be used for investgations.
You got it, and a legal arguement could be made and won by KU if the NCAA oversteps in this case - which is why I think they are dragging their feet. “Come on guys, think! There’s got to be something we can get them on!”
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There are certain parts of the body from where we should not speak.
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HighEliteMajor said:
There are certain parts of the body from where we should not speak.
The weenus being first among them.
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@FarmerJayhawk dang! I’m having a hard time letting this go.
but I’m going to.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk dang! I’m having a hard time letting this go.
but I’m going to.Let go of your weenus. Might lose feeling in your elbow.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk dang! I’m having a hard time letting this go.
but I’m going to.Let go of your weenus. Might lose feeling in your elbow.
Me and my girlfriend just take turns holding my weenus, that way there is always atleast one hand free to type. And my weenus just said - and as far as weenuses go it is always right - that we are going to receive what amounts to diddly-squat from the NCAA, if anything.
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Well if they do penalize us I’m sure there is “a legal arguement could be made and won by KU if the NCAA oversteps in this case.”
Just like that. A legal argument. Out of thin air. I’m sure that can happen. I mean, you know, if the NCAA “oversteps.”
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@HighEliteMajor In a courtroom where overstepping is the cause of action or raised as a defense, they use expert witnesses: they bring in a referee who blows a whistle and makes the “travelling” signal.
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@HighEliteMajor the NCAA is all but impotent in this case. Which is why they have taken no action. They can’t take down only Adidas schools while at the same time knowing Nike to be the biggest culprit. They do not have a shred of proof.
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The NCAA only has jurisdiction over schools, not the ShoeCos. Every school needs ShoeCo money. If the NCAA comes down hard on one ShoeCo, they will probably get sued unless they come down on all of the ShoeCos. If they crack down on every ShoeCo, the ShoeCos may stop spending money on these college contracts. Those contracts make athletic departments solvent, so that’s a non starter.
The only remaining option is to do nothing.
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When a college jersey is sold with a player’s name on it… how is that money divided? Does anyone know? What percentage goes to the school, the NCAA, the conference, cousin Vinny in the parking lot?
I agree with @justanotherfan and schools really need all those ShoeCo equipment deals and cash. But why do they need so much $$$? Yes… there are crazy costs in operating college sports, but there is crazy $$$ in all of this for the school. Let’s not forget TV revenues.
I’d love to see the bottom line. What our AD brings in and what it spends. We are a State funded university. Isn’t that knowledge public?
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“I never heard from anyone associated with Duke in connection with my allegations or any investigation,” Avenatti said. “I was never asked a single question. I was never asked what information or documents that I was aware of. Who the hell conducted this investigation? Inspector Clouseau?”
“The documents and the hard evidence do not lie. Zion Williamson was paid to attend Duke. [Coach Mike Krzyzewski] has made and facilitated payments to players for years. And when the truth comes out – and eventually it will – Coach K and Duke’s reputation will forever and rightfully be tarnished.”
“And if what I’m saying is untrue, I challenge Coach K and Duke University to file a defamation lawsuit against me tomorrow and we can let the chips fall where they may.”
I’m glad no one has ever come out this hard punching us in the face. I doubt Avenatti ever steps foot on that campus without a bodyguard.
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Here’s the 2018 Report for KU. I think every school has to submit this report.
Highlights include that KU made $20.6M in ticket sales and about $26.2M from contributions (donations). Media rights was worth another $28M+ (Footbal accounts for about three quarters of that total).
KU got $10.8M from Royalties, Licensing, Advertisements and Sponsorships. That’s where the ShoeCo money is. That category is worth about 10% of the total athletic revenue.
Also worth noting that even though the basketball team is top notch and the football team is… not, KU football was worth almost twice what KU basketball was in terms of revenue.
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drgnslayr said:
When a college jersey is sold with a player’s name on it… how is that money divided? Does anyone know? What percentage goes to the school, the NCAA, the conference, cousin Vinny in the parking lot?
I agree with @justanotherfan and schools really need all those ShoeCo equipment deals and cash. But why do they need so much $$$? Yes… there are crazy costs in operating college sports, but there is crazy $$$ in all of this for the school. Let’s not forget TV revenues.
I’d love to see the bottom line. What our AD brings in and what it spends. We are a State funded university. Isn’t that knowledge public?
Technically they can’t see jerseys with a player’s name on it. They get around it by making each jersey customizable where the customer can pick the name and number.
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@FarmerJayhawk The NCAA cannot sell a jersey with player’s name while that player is an active NCAA athlete. Once that player is no longer eligible through turning pro, or exhausting eligibility, jersey’s with a player’s name on it are able to be sold through licensed retailers. I have a Paul Pierce KU throwback Nike made a few years ago that I bought from Lids and a shirt with Kirk Hinrich’s name and number that KU sold when they retired his jersey in 2010.
I don’t know percentages, but everyone would get some piece of the pie from the player, school, apparel manufacturer, the retailer, to the NCAA due to the licensing agreements in place.
I know the retailer is the one getting the biggest slice of that pie though with everyone else getting a small percentage.
As far as players themselves, they’re allowed to keep their game worn stuff if they choose to. The watch party I was at on Friday night had a special celebration to hang up a Tyler Patrick game worn jersey in that bar that he donated himself. He could’ve chosen to sell if he wanted to and kept the money for himself, auction it off and keep the money himself minus the auction fee, or could’ve donated it and written off the cost of the jersey (probably $200 or so).
This is an area I’d like to see the NCAA change in. Allow players to sell their game worn memorabilia if they choose to. Make a list of approved ways to sell items and let kids make some money that way. I’d imagine there would have been a fairly big market for that blown out shoe of Zion’s if he’d had been allowed to sell or auction it.
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I don’t disagree with @HighEliteMajor in theory on this issue because the NCAA does claim to be about amateurism and one of the key aspects of that is not getting paid for your skills and when players agree to their Grant in Aid for their athletic scholarship, they are agreeing to abide by NCAA rules.
The underlying issue that’s leading to stuff like the ShoeCo investigations, Ed O’Bannon case and the California law is that the NCAA is either unwilling or unable to fully enforce their own rules. I’m fairly certain it’s the latter and that the NCAA is unable to fully enforce their own.
To me, the NCAA has to make a decision in the near future about either enforcing their rules or adapting their rules so they can be enforced or they risk shutting down in the not to distant future.
If the NCAA continues to not make significant changes, that bill that California is working on will get passed in some form in every other state and the NCAA will have a losing battle on their hands to remain in existence.
The NCAA absolutely has to figure out how they can adapt and evolve if they don’t want universities and conferences creating a new governing body for collegiate athletics in the next 20 years or so.
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justanotherfan said:
The NCAA only has jurisdiction over schools, not the ShoeCos. Every school needs ShoeCo money. If the NCAA comes down hard on one ShoeCo, they will probably get sued unless they come down on all of the ShoeCos. If they crack down on every ShoeCo, the ShoeCos may stop spending money on these college contracts. Those contracts make athletic departments solvent, so that’s a non starter.
The only remaining option is to do nothing.
Yahtzee! And that is the non-smoking gun, since the whistle blowers have never really even blown the whistle at all. And if they did, what would they say? “We gave them money, and KU knew (… or had to know) about it.” I smell, if the NCAA tries to
us, a Supreme Court case which will strip the hooker that is the NCAA of all her remaining dignity. I (Darwinism here, people) think that NCAA had better, for its own survival, quietly let this matter go.
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So, by this logic, because others steal from the local 7-11, we can’t prosecute the one that gets caught because everyone else is doing it.
And no, it’s not coming down hard on one Shoeco. All it would be is imposing sanctions on a university that got caught with a recruiting partner that paid players. There is zero need to come down “hard” on a ShoeCo. The DOJ already did that.
The NCAA can punish KU. Easily. Whether they do or not is another question.
But it’s good to know that we have “Supreme Court case” we can fall back on …
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HighEliteMajor said:
So, by this logic, because others steal from the local 7-11, we can’t prosecute the one that gets caught because everyone else is doing it.
And no, it’s not coming down hard on one Shoeco. All it would be is imposing sanctions on a university that got caught with a recruiting partner that paid players. There is zero need to come down “hard” on a ShoeCo. The DOJ already did that.
The NCAA can punish KU. Easily. Whether they do or not is another question.
But it’s good to know that we have “Supreme Court case” we can fall back on …
Fine @HighEliteMajor, but where is the proof? Innuendo and heresay come cheap, very cheap. The only way for there to not be corruption is if and when the NCAA goes into the apparel making business and starts sponsoring AAU, and it might as well since it is already cashing in in every other way.
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I’m trying to be respectful here. But you don’t understand what qualifies as proof. You seem to think there has to be a video, or a document that “convicts.”
So the perspective is considered, folks go to jail based on eyewitness testimony. The go to jail based on circumstantial evidence. You need to get past the opinion that there is no evidence.
For example -
TJ Gassnola testified under oath in a federal trial that he provided money to Preston and SDS. Testimony under oath is “proof.” Maybe not what you feel sufficient, but certainly sufficient in a court of law (and the low end stuff like NCAA enforcement). His level of credibility is extremely high because 1) Federal prosecutors put him on the stand in a high profile case, and 2) they would have vetted his claims related to his plea deal. Not to mention that his testimony helped lead to convictions, and his own actions led to a plea. KU presumably says they had no knowledge of it. So KU can’t deny it. KU undeniably sought Adidas’ help and intervention with recruits. The texting demonstrates that on its on, but that part isn’t denied anyway. Thus those actors, whom KU solicited for help, broke NCAA rules assisting KU in recruiting.
You also seem to think that because others are corrupt, KU can’t be punished. Don’t you think others have tutors that do the work for players like MU did? Or that booster give money to recruits like happened with BYU? They got punished, right?
The NCAA, like law enforcement, can only act on the info they have. Meaning, sure, others may be smuggling drugs but they don’t defer punishing those they catch because others are doing the same thing and not getting caught.
If you refuse to acknowledge or understand the above, I can’t help you.
As we sit here, we don’t know what the NCAA will do. I hope you’re right on the punishment. I fear a bad result. But I hope other factors weigh here and the NCAA wimps out (selfishly). I’ve felt from the start that if we get hammered, we should “burn it down.” That is, give the NCAA all the info we know on other schools, etc. Who knows, that might be going on behind closed doors. I would certainly, if I were KU, consider that negotiating strategy in advance to get a slap on the wrist.
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Bad rumours are swirling.
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BShark said:
Bad rumours are swirling.
Like what?
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That sanctions are coming for KU
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BShark said:
That sanctions are coming for KU
Great - - - - how bad?
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Bad
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Hoping it’s just a bunch of crap.
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Haven’t heard a peep from anyone about it.
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BShark said:
Bad rumours are swirling.
I love the spelling on “rumours” – like a Fleetwood Mac album or something.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Haven’t heard a peep from anyone about it.
Seems like a mixed bag on the phog but wanted to bring it up here in case someone more tied in has heard more.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Haven’t heard a peep from anyone about it.
Seems like a mixed bag on the phog but wanted to bring it up here in case someone more tied in has heard more.
ya I decided to run there and see too. - -like you say mixed , seems though also a lot calling BS.
One Poster said nothing would happen this quick - -would be a letter of notice to the School the School would have time to gather information and a lot of back and forth for months - -saying at worst we might get a letter today of Allegations
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@HighEliteMajor I, like you, have always been worried about this. Now I am really worried.
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A notice of allegations, yes, would be bad. We heard two months ago that the letters would be coming. This seems like reasonable time for that phase. But rumors …
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@HighEliteMajor Fleetwood Mac sounds better
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@HighEliteMajor Fleetwood Mac sounds better
Stevie Nicks was always great … always a little partial to Joan Jett though.
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My best cut and paste from @FarmerJayhawk’s link-
University of Kansas
KU basketball expected to face multiple major violation allegations from NCAA
By Jesse Newelland
Steve Vockrodt
September 20, 2019 03:05 PM,Updated 12 minutes ago University of Kansas Athletic Director Jeff Long talks about the university’s 14-year extension with Adidas, amid the NCAA investigation into college basketball recruiting. The NCAA is preparing to issue a notice of allegations that details multiple major violations in the Kansas men’s basketball program, The Star has learned.
The notice will come, sources told The Star, after a summer of speculation following a top NCAA official saying the organization would make findings against schools involved in a pay-for-play recruiting scheme investigated by the FBI.
When asked for comment, Dan Beckler, associate KU athletic director for public relations, told The Star that KU Athletics had not received any notification from the NCAA.
The Star also asked the NCAA for comment.
“Due to member-created rules, we cannot comment on current, pending or potential investigations,” Stacey Osburn, NCAA director of public and media relations, wrote in an email.
On June 12, Stan Wilcox, the NCAA’s vice president of regulatory affairs, said at least six schools would receive a notice of allegations for Level 1 violationsthis summer.
North Carolina State on July 10 received a notice of allegations that included two Level 1 violations.
Level 1 violations carry some of the most severe punishment, including postseason bans and loss of scholarships.
N.C. State and Kansas were among the schools associated with Adidas that were named during the federal investigation.
Former Adidas employee T.J. Gassnola testified in federal court last October that he made payments of $90,000 on behalf of Adidas to the mother of KU basketball player Billy Preston and $2,500 to the guardian of Silvio De Sousa. Gassnola also said he agreed to pay $20,000 to Fenny Falmagne, the guardian of De Sousa, to help Falmagne exit an agreement to send De Sousa to Maryland, an Under Armour school.
Gassnola testified that KU coach Bill Self was not aware of the payments.
As a result of that trial, De Sousa was given a two-year NCAA suspension. Kansas appealed the second year of the punishment and the NCAA reinstated De Sousa, who is allowed to play this upcoming season.
Gassnola avoided prison time and was sentenced to probation.
One of KU’s NCAA issues could be Gassnola’s relationship to Self and assistant Kurtis Townsend as revealed in court.
Text messages showed that during the time KU was recruiting De Sousa, KU coaches were aware that Gassnola was in contact with De Sousa’s guardian, Fenny Falmagne.
Gassnola testified that Townsend asked him to contact De Sousa’s guardian. Falmagne told The Star he wanted to see if Adidas would send gear it didn’t need to Angola’s national team.
Third parties and/or boosters are not allowed to provide anything with monetary value to a recruit or the recruit’s family or guardian. It is possible the NCAA deems it inappropriate for Townsend to ask Gassnola to send gear to Angola.
ESPN recently reported that NCAA investigators in addition to N.C. State were working on cases at KU, Arizona, Auburn, Creighton, Louisville, LSU and USC.
When a school such as KU receives a notice of allegations, the university has 90 days to respond. The NCAA has granted extensions to schools in the past.
The school response then is sent to an NCAA enforcement committee. That committee has 60 days to file a reply and a “statement of the case.”
Next, a hearing date is scheduled with the NCAA Committee on Infractions. At that hearing, the university is allowed to present its case with an NCAA ruling to follow. The ruling could take several months to reach.
If a school is assessed penalties, it has the opportunity to appeal.
The Star’s Gary Bedore contributed to this report
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We won’t know anything until they get the NOA and see what is in it. That is a extremely vague report by the Star.
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@Woodrow The “multiple major violations” is what stands out to me. Excuse me while I go throw up.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Woodrow The “multiple major violations” is what stands out to me. Excuse me while I go throw up.
I was afraid of this - -NOW we know why recruiting SUCKS THIS SEASON
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@HighEliteMajor Oh yea I am with you. However, the NCAA is going to go big and then KU will appeal and they will meet somewhere in the middle.
I just don’t know what worse case scenario is. IMO it would be Self saying F this and leaving. Second would be a postseason ban.
