Holyfield
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Has cut down to Texas Tech, KU and Illinois. Illinois visit upcoming.
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BShark said:
Has cut down to Texas Tech, KU and Illinois. Illinois visit upcoming.
So either choose to win or choose to lose. TJ be smart here
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Holyfield is an interesting piece. He’s a solid player. He won’t be a star at the P5 level, but he will be a legitimate rotation player at the P5 level.
He’s a solid forward with some small ball 4 potential. He hasn’t shot a ton of threes in his career, but his percentages from deep and from the FT line suggest he could be a decent to good shooter (Career 36% from three, 75% from FT) with the right looks. I don’t think you can run the offense through him, but pairing him on the floor with Doke could work well since he has the ability to punish teams from deep, plus rebound and defend against 4’s. He could also post up smaller guys, which would give the KU offense some different looks.
He would be a nice addition to round out the class, but this team would still need someone to run the offense through.
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He seems like a great fit with what we have. If you have Silvio/Mitch his skill set is different from them and that’s key to pairing him along Doke. A 4 that can be shifted outside to give Doke free roam down on the box is not a bad thing.
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I read he’s waiting to hear if Silvio’s cleared. Won’t come if he is.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Has cut down to Texas Tech, KU and Illinois. Illinois visit upcoming.
So either choose to win or choose to lose. TJ be smart here
Wish he wouldn’t visit Illinois. - -don’t think he has visited there yet has he? - -Wasn’t it Underwood he was close to before? - -or was that Tucker? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 He is visiting Illinois this week. I thought I saw Wednesday.
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Woodrow said:
@jayballer73 He is visiting Illinois this week. I thought I saw Wednesday.
Damm - - not good. - he was thick with Underwood right?
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@jayballer73 Yea, I am pretty sure that is who signed him originally at SFA.
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Woodrow said:
@jayballer73 Yea, I am pretty sure that is who signed him originally at SFA.
ya that was what I was thinking - -well we will see I guess
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@jayballer73 the Asses From Young Lasses campaign?
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Marco said:
@jayballer73 the Asses From Young Lasses campaign?
Something that I think Woodrow sent me in a message I believe - -not sure can’t remember who used that phrase lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I really hope we land Holyfield. He’s a big need even if De Sousa is back but it sounds like the situations are mutually exclusive. That’s unfortunate as I see a good role for him regardless and he’d have the highest exposure at KU if he had professional aspirations after.
Enaruna (if he signs) I don’t see playing much as a freshman from what I’ve seen of him this spring. The potential is there and your hoping that by year 2 he’s a factor in the rotation. I hope he sees the benefit of coming here. It sounds like the staff is confident
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BeddieKU23 said:
I really hope we land Holyfield. He’s a big need even if De Sousa is back but it sounds like the situations are mutually exclusive. That’s unfortunate as I see a good role for him regardless and he’d have the highest exposure at KU if he had professional aspirations after.
Enaruna (if he signs) I don’t see playing much as a freshman from what I’ve seen of him this spring. The potential is there and your hoping that by year 2 he’s a factor in the rotation. I hope he sees the benefit of coming here. It sounds like the staff is confident
I think it was @Marco that asked would we rather have Holyfield or Silvio and I think it’s a very legit question. Despite posters that get belligerent about it on the phog, Silvio is in fact a 5/C at this level. So if Silvio is back we have 3 PURE 5 men (Silvio, Doke, Dave) which isn’t great in 2019 tbqh. Then you factor in that Mitch is a 5 in a 4s body… We could really use Enaruna and Holyfield as both are pure 4s with actual basketball skill. Though I agree Enaruna probably won’t see huge tick as a FR.
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@BShark I agree, just haven’t said it. If I had to pick I’d take Holyfield over De Sousa, and it wouldn’t even be close.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I really hope we land Holyfield. He’s a big need even if De Sousa is back but it sounds like the situations are mutually exclusive. That’s unfortunate as I see a good role for him regardless and he’d have the highest exposure at KU if he had professional aspirations after.
Enaruna (if he signs) I don’t see playing much as a freshman from what I’ve seen of him this spring. The potential is there and your hoping that by year 2 he’s a factor in the rotation. I hope he sees the benefit of coming here. It sounds like the staff is confident
I think it was @Marco that asked would we rather have Holyfield or Silvio and I think it’s a very legit question. Despite posters that get belligerent about it on the phog, Silvio is in fact a 5/C at this level. So if Silvio is back we have 3 PURE 5 men (Silvio, Doke, Dave) which isn’t great in 2019 tbqh. Then you factor in that Mitch is a 5 in a 4s body… We could really use Enaruna and Holyfield as both are pure 4s with actual basketball skill. Though I agree Enaruna probably won’t see huge tick as a FR.
I’m not really sure why Silvio coming back should be a reason for Holyfield NOT to come. - Like you just pointed out Holyfield is a 4 - -Silvio like you said is a true 5 more likely then not.
If the reason for him not coming would be about if Silvio was to come back - -Holyfield afraid of Silvio taking his minutes/don’t see how that would be possible - -Yet if he is scared of competition and proving he deserves the spot - - if your good/you know your goo - -let your game speak for it’self - if you just wanna talk yourself into a starting position? - I don’t want ya - and as far as Holyfield and Desousa not even being close? - - PLEASE and that’s with not even getting a fair comparison. DeSousa hasn’t been able to show - other then a sample size.
People trying to imply Holyfield is a lot more Talented/athletic ? - -please step away from the pipe an let me have some of what your smokin. - -Silvio oozes athlete - barely tapping his potential - and the kid is a specimen. - that’s crazy to say one is so far better then the other - -or to say it’s not even close - -Again IF he is - -let’s see it - -let them compete for the position - not one not coming if the other come - -to me sounds more like he would be afraid he couldn’t win the position - -THAT’S not what I’m looking for on this team - -I want competitors - -just sayin - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 it would crowd the front court and indications are Holyfield wants to start or at least play 25 mpg.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I really hope we land Holyfield. He’s a big need even if De Sousa is back but it sounds like the situations are mutually exclusive. That’s unfortunate as I see a good role for him regardless and he’d have the highest exposure at KU if he had professional aspirations after.
Enaruna (if he signs) I don’t see playing much as a freshman from what I’ve seen of him this spring. The potential is there and your hoping that by year 2 he’s a factor in the rotation. I hope he sees the benefit of coming here. It sounds like the staff is confident
I think it was @Marco that asked would we rather have Holyfield or Silvio and I think it’s a very legit question. Despite posters that get belligerent about it on the phog, Silvio is in fact a 5/C at this level. So if Silvio is back we have 3 PURE 5 men (Silvio, Doke, Dave) which isn’t great in 2019 tbqh. Then you factor in that Mitch is a 5 in a 4s body… We could really use Enaruna and Holyfield as both are pure 4s with actual basketball skill. Though I agree Enaruna probably won’t see huge tick as a FR.
It really is a legit and tough question to answer. What fits the team needs the most. Both players have differing skill sets. In a perfect world you have both to use. It doesn’t seem like we can have both however.
Silvio- knows the system, best rebounder on the team, top 3 athlete on the team, raw, inexperienced, high motor, limited shooter.
Holyfield- can stretch the floor, shot blocking presence, good athlete, 3 years of D1 experience, high character teammate.
Holyfield is probably the perfect compliment to Doke offensively. That’s if his 40% 3 ball is truly a strength of his game. Defensively because of his versatility on Offense I’d assume he can guard the perimeter better as well. Silvio and Doke are limited here. Can he rebound at a high level? Silvio is a top rebounder and a High % shooter around the basket. If we could take them both and combine talents we have one heck of a player
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If we are going to have a perimeter full of brick layers, we might as well just lean into it and go extra beefy in the front court. At least that way you might rebound some of your misses.
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Do we know Silvio hasn’t improved his game away from the basket?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Do we know Silvio hasn’t improved his game away from the basket?
I think it is safe to assume he isn’t going to be draining 3s from the corner at a 40% clip.
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I don’t think Silvio is a pure center at all. God forbid people have slightly different evaluations of a player, but he’s got a decent stroke out to 15 and handles it well for a guy who’s 6’9 245.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I don’t think Silvio is a pure center at all. God forbid people have slightly different evaluations of a player, but he’s got a decent stroke out to 15 and handles it well for a guy who’s 6’9 245.
I think it’s fine to discuss. People just get so angry about it on the phog. Offensively maybe a bit of a tweener (4.5) I think defensively he is definitely a 5 and you don’t want him trying to defend out of the paint much.
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@BShark but! We haven’t seen him play, maybe, just maybe he’s changed his game?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Do we know Silvio hasn’t improved his game away from the basket?
He got to participate in practice didn’t he? I understand practice isn’t in-game experience, but one can gain/improve skills in practice.
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Do we know for a fact Silvio can’t guard away from the basket? He didn’t exactly have time to learn the system when he came in. As athletic as he is, I would imagine SDS could guard wings and stretch 4’s pretty easily knowing the system.
Honestly, I would call SDS a traditional 4 rather than a pure 5.
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BShark said:
@jayballer73 it would crowd the front court and indications are Holyfield wants to start or at least play 25 mpg.
But if Holyfield is a 4 - - Not that crowded - If he is someone . - -who want the majority of the minutes? - - -PASS - -if that’s the case sounding more and more like All for me guy - - NOPE - thanks anyways. - he COULD start - and come close to those type of minutes from the looks of things the 4 spot isn’t gonna be that deep. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I really hope we land Holyfield. He’s a big need even if De Sousa is back but it sounds like the situations are mutually exclusive. That’s unfortunate as I see a good role for him regardless and he’d have the highest exposure at KU if he had professional aspirations after.
Enaruna (if he signs) I don’t see playing much as a freshman from what I’ve seen of him this spring. The potential is there and your hoping that by year 2 he’s a factor in the rotation. I hope he sees the benefit of coming here. It sounds like the staff is confident
I think it was @Marco that asked would we rather have Holyfield or Silvio and I think it’s a very legit question. Despite posters that get belligerent about it on the phog, Silvio is in fact a 5/C at this level. So if Silvio is back we have 3 PURE 5 men (Silvio, Doke, Dave) which isn’t great in 2019 tbqh. Then you factor in that Mitch is a 5 in a 4s body… We could really use Enaruna and Holyfield as both are pure 4s with actual basketball skill. Though I agree Enaruna probably won’t see huge tick as a FR.
It really is a legit and tough question to answer. What fits the team needs the most. Both players have differing skill sets. In a perfect world you have both to use. It doesn’t seem like we can have both however.
Silvio- knows the system, best rebounder on the team, top 3 athlete on the team, raw, inexperienced, high motor, limited shooter.
Holyfield- can stretch the floor, shot blocking presence, good athlete, 3 years of D1 experience, high character teammate.
Holyfield is probably the perfect compliment to Doke offensively. That’s if his 40% 3 ball is truly a strength of his game. Defensively because of his versatility on Offense I’d assume he can guard the perimeter better as well. Silvio and Doke are limited here. Can he rebound at a high level? Silvio is a top rebounder and a High % shooter around the basket. If we could take them both and combine talents we have one heck of a player
Again Silvio would chances more then not - -BECAUSE of limitations of outside game - -would be another five. - -So that means he wouldn’t be competing with Holyfield for playing time. - -Silvio for sure can be a shot blocker - -for sure tough rebounder. – If anything you would or quite possibly be Holyfield starting at the 4 and Mitch giving him those limited minutes for blows that people are talking about. - -Holyfield would be most likely getting his 25 minutes that he wants - - Mitch would be getting what about he has always got - -8-12 minutes. - Then you got Doke – Silvio - - - & Dave at the 5.
Mitch has the D-1 experience to fill his role for his minutes , Silvio experience would not be an issue at the 4 - -cause he wouldn’t be at the 4- -Mitch might be a little better defender on the floor then Silvio - -and just has the ability a lot of the time when he gets beat can re-group and still block the shot. - -Just not seeing the issue about this - seems pretty simple - -again seeing as how Silvio more chance then not will be playing the 5 - -possible a few minutes at the 4 but majority at the 5. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Honestly, I would call SDS a traditional 4 rather than a pure 5.
I could buy this. It’s a dying position is the thing. I hope he is in fact able to defend very mobile and quick college 4s. Hell, I hope he gets to play for KU…
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@jayballer73 Okay, I’ve stepped away from the pipe, but just for a moment Lol… I’m not implying that Holyfield is more athletic than De Sousa (hell no!), only that Holyfield coupled with Dok would be a better fit. Holyfield would be a one year pickup, as would - if ruled eligible - De Sousa. If I had my pick I’d choose Holyfield.
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I’m loyal to Silvio, he’s a Jayhawk!
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I would not guarantee SDS only being here one season if he gets cleared. Very much puts him in a similar scenario to Doke. He’d be a very young Sr and his draft stock is just not going to be there (without total domination) and just a season away from having a degree.
I only expect SDS to leave if he’s projected to get drafted. And I don’t expect him to get that feedback.
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@Kcmatt7 If he were to play this coming season I would expect for him to play well enough to be drafted, even if only flashing a ten or twelve ppg average, atheticism, rebounding and defense.
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@Marco He’s, at best, a worse version of T-Rob. The NBA chewed up T-Rob and spit him back out. I think the road to the NBA will be a tough one for SDS.
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I actually think he has a higher ceiling than Robinson. I doubt he’ll ever make it in the NBA, though.
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I think SDS could be a double-double machine. We just saw the surface scratched with him. What we saw vs. WVU in the conference tourney was what I would expect him to resemble
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Marco said:
@Kcmatt7 If he were to play this coming season I would expect for him to play well enough to be drafted, even if only flashing a ten or twelve ppg average, atheticism, rebounding and defense.
ya , as much as I would like - IF he is cleared - -I too believe it would be only for the upcoming season , as we once again would fall into the NBA theory of potential. -I think Silvio has tons of potential and with Silvio’s body - the kid is chiseled - and terrific athlete or again potential wise - with his rebounding ability - just think it would be one year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KU is all but out here.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KU is all but out here.
Can you expand on that?
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Hawk8086 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KU is all but out here.
Can you expand on that?
I’m guessing good news on another front…
Holyfield to Illinois seems likely.
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@Hawk8086 From a recent KC Star article
It is believed KU is not heavily pursuing TJ Holyfield, a 6-8, 227-pound graduate transfer out of Stephen F. Austin, who recently announced a list of KU, Illinois and Texas Tech.
Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article230238784.html#storylink=cpy
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My guess was always that if we could give him a starting spot he’d be here. I still expect that to be the case, but the way things are shaping up it looks more like we land another big.
What sucks is that I’d most definitely rather get Holyfield than Precious. But it is what it is.
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Kcmatt7 said:
My guess was always that if we could give him a starting spot he’d be here. I still expect that to be the case, but the way things are shaping up it looks more like we land another big.
What sucks is that I’d most definitely rather get Holyfield than Precious. But it is what it is.
Exactly. He’s not going to go somewhere to be a bench cog. He wants to showcase in his last year to hope to go pro. Especially after his injury, you know he wants to show out.
If the staff has basically quite recruiting him (coming from Bedore, who is probably being fed that info by the staff) you know they must really feel good about their chances elsewhere.
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Yea I’m having trouble getting a read on everything. My guess is we are trying to land Precious on top of getting De Sousa back.
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Hawk8086 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KU is all but out here.
Can you expand on that?
Sure. I think it’s a few things. Getting Enaruna makes getting a body less important. And they can’t promise Holyfield will start given Silvio. If Silvio’s case goes sideways then KU feels they can land Precious or a guy like Shak Juiston to plug a hole. And there’s some concern since he didn’t play last year.
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Would he have been a better option than Silvio?
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Had a good stat line from last nights game although it was against cupcake st
