Who in the world do we have for next year?
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Man, let’s face it, we are all die hards - want the best for our Jayhawks. When did we have the best time as fans? Old timers, '88? New and old, 2008? What do those teams have in common? Danny Manning - one of the all-time greats, no doubt! - and a bunch of scrappers… A loaded 08 team, true, but out of everyone on that team who was a OAD? No one, that team was built, ditto for the other damn near championship teams. We need to recruit solid, tough players who - like Frank and Devonte - can D up and grow as players, bleeding Jayhawk. A bigtime player here and there who we can cultivate and recruit sure, but all in on - even after the OAD rule is gone - players only looking for a quick exit, no thank you. Thoughts anyone?
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@Marco Zackly. As good as Danny Manning was, if he were a OAD - no championship.
Why can’t everyone just do things MY way for a change?
If you want to play pro ball, go play pro ball. Who cares? But do it right out of High School. Or Jr High. Or Kindergarten. Whatever grade you fool yourself into thinking that you’re NBA ready.
But leave college out of it. If you go to college, stay in college. Win some championships. Make friends and influence people. Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
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@nuleafjhawk well it isn’t the kids’ fault. Products of their environment. We just need to Target kids that will stick around and develop until it’s truly the right time to bounce. No doubt Jerome and Hunter will bounce. They’d be foolish not to. The only recent team I remember that stuck around with stock high after a championship was Florida with Noah.
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@approxinfinity You’re right - it isn’t the kids’ fault. If you or I are 17, 18 years old and somebody wags 20-100 million in front of our faces - what are you going to do?
That’s why I’m saying - if they want the money - go pro right out of high school. If they want the college experience - stay four years.
You’ll know when I’m elected President - that will be the first thing I do. You’ll be like “HEY! Ol Nuleafjhawk is our president! I’m leaving the country now!”
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While the change in the OAD rule will help, it won’t stop players from going pro after one year of course. There will still be some of that. But the top 5-10 (or more depending on the year) guys generally can just go and make money. That will keep them from coming in and being one year distractions, and will hopefully keep Self from pursuing them in the hopes they don’t turn pro. And for the guys that come here and then turn pro, it will hopefully be more because of going all in, improving, and playing well, vs. presuming they are going pro. It won’t be perfect but it has to be better.
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So I have seen two national writers ( Jeff Goodman and Jon Rothstein) mention Grimes when talking about KU’s starting 5 next year… It caught my attention because I thought it was assumed he was 100% gone. I am not getting my hopes up about him coming back, but just found it was kind of odd they both mentioned him…
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Woodrow said:
So I have seen two national writers ( Jeff Goodman and Jon Rothstein) mention Grimes when talking about KU’s starting 5 next year… It caught my attention because I thought it was assumed he was 100% gone. I am not getting my hopes up about him coming back, but just found it was kind of odd they both mentioned him…
thought he had an Agent and said he was done in College
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@jayballer73 It doesn’t matter this year if you have a agent or not. You can have one and still return to school.
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@Woodrow Very interesting … would love to have him back. A humble young man without the humbled Vick knuckleheadism.
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I don’t think he’s coming back. I don’t think they know him like we do?
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@Woodrow - it makes a difference if the player takes cash or benefits…
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I don’t think he’s coming back. I don’t think they know him like we do?
na he not coming back. - He said he was looking forward to the next Chapter in his life. - -Mama - & Daddy just chalking this up to an off year - -wants baby boy to move to the NBA
I think we could be looking at a starting five if Hampton re-classifies IF nobody else were to commit - - we probably would be Dotson at the point - - - Hampton at the 2 - - - Ochai - - the 3 - - Doke at the 5 - -and then hopefully Silvio or Holyfield at the 4. - -McCormack backing up Doke at the 5 - - - -Garrett backing up Dotson at the 1 - -Lightfoot giving the 4 a spot break or Mitch also filling in backup at the 5 – Then we can have Braun backing up Hampton at the 2 - -we would be fine. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Gorilla72 Right, but having a agent is irrelevant now. Actually you can take money and or accept benefits if they are repaid.
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How about:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Agbaji
F: Silvio, Holyfield
C: Doke, McCormack.
Get rekt, America.
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Woodrow said:
So I have seen two national writers ( Jeff Goodman and Jon Rothstein) mention Grimes when talking about KU’s starting 5 next year… It caught my attention because I thought it was assumed he was 100% gone. I am not getting my hopes up about him coming back, but just found it was kind of odd they both mentioned him…
He’s super gone.
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@FarmerJayhawk Nice breakdown. Any lineup where Agbaji doesn’t start, I can’t support, though. Agbaji has to start. Agbaji has “it” – you heard it from me first back in January. To me, that’s the one given. Agbagi starting. Then we fill in the next 4 (Dotson and Doke, of course, pending NBA flirtations). I will be wildly disappointed if Self has anyone start ahead of Agbaji.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Nice breakdown. Any lineup where Agbaji doesn’t start, I can’t support, though. Agbaji has to start. Agbaji has “it” – you heard it from me first back in January. To me, that’s the one given. Agbagi starting. Then we fill in the next 4 (Dotson and Doke, of course, pending NBA flirtations). I will be wildly disappointed if Self has anyone start ahead of Agbaji.
Have to agree - - -I just feel we can’t keep Agbaji out - -think he brings to many things. - -He can D up - - Decent shot - -has good hops - -good rebounder - just about as solid as we got other then Dotson possibly
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jayballer73 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Nice breakdown. Any lineup where Agbaji doesn’t start, I can’t support, though. Agbaji has to start. Agbaji has “it” – you heard it from me first back in January. To me, that’s the one given. Agbagi starting. Then we fill in the next 4 (Dotson and Doke, of course, pending NBA flirtations). I will be wildly disappointed if Self has anyone start ahead of Agbaji.
Have to agree - - -I just feel we can’t keep Agbaji out - -think he brings to many things. - -He can D up - - Decent shot - -has good hops - -good rebounder - just about as solid as we got other then Dotson possibly
I like Ochai a lot, don’t get me wrong. But after he cratered at the end of last season I really want an insurance policy. And why not take a guy that averaged 21 and 7 while shooting 41% from 3?
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FarmerJayhawk said:
How about:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Agbaji
F: Silvio, Holyfield
C: Doke, McCormack.
Get rekt, America.
Who’s Tucker? Unless he’s a 5 Star top 10-15 prospect, he ain’t hopping over Agbaji.
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chriz said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
How about:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Agbaji
F: Silvio, Holyfield
C: Doke, McCormack.
Get rekt, America.
Who’s Tucker? Unless he’s a 5 Star top 10-15 prospect, he ain’t hopping over Agbaji.
He score 20 a game last year fairly efficiently, albeit in the Sun Belt. It will be a fierce battle for his remaining year of college hoops. UNC wants him big time among others.
If Self pulls off a miracle and gets Hampton + Tucker then Agbaji won’t start. I don’t think it’s too likely though.
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chriz said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
How about:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Agbaji
F: Silvio, Holyfield
C: Doke, McCormack.
Get rekt, America.
Who’s Tucker? Unless he’s a 5 Star top 10-15 prospect, he ain’t hopping over Agbaji.
Rayjon Tucker, a grad transfer from Little Rock. He was head and shoulders better than Ochai last year. I’d actually think about starting them both if we miss on Hampton or Dotson doesn’t come back.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Nice breakdown. Any lineup where Agbaji doesn’t start, I can’t support, though. Agbaji has to start. Agbaji has “it” – you heard it from me first back in January. To me, that’s the one given. Agbagi starting. Then we fill in the next 4 (Dotson and Doke, of course, pending NBA flirtations). I will be wildly disappointed if Self has anyone start ahead of Agbaji.
Have to agree - - -I just feel we can’t keep Agbaji out - -think he brings to many things. - -He can D up - - Decent shot - -has good hops - -good rebounder - just about as solid as we got other then Dotson possibly
I like Ochai a lot, don’t get me wrong. But after he cratered at the end of last season I really want an insurance policy. And why not take a guy that averaged 21 and 7 while shooting 41% from 3?
either way you won’t here me bitchin. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
or Dotson doesn’t come back.
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Dotson is coming back. no way he goes anywhere else
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Bosthawk said:
Dotson is coming back. no way he goes anywhere else
he will be back. - -Thinking more like he just testing to see what the feed back is - where they need him to improve.
He wouldn’t be 1st round this yrs draft - -maybe middle of the 2nd - -he will be back. NOW after next year? - - All bets are off. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 D*** right he’ll be back. First team all Big 12. 40% 3 ball. Making us wonder if he could reach Mason status.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@jayballer73 D*** right he’ll be back. First team all Big 12. 40% 3 ball. Making us wonder if he could reach Mason status.
I think he is just another young Frank Mason - -loves to drive the ball - although faster then frank - I think his 3 will be better - -like I said after next yr all bets are off about him coming back for his Jr year. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Man, I sure hope so.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
chriz said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
How about:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Agbaji
F: Silvio, Holyfield
C: Doke, McCormack.
Get rekt, America.
Who’s Tucker? Unless he’s a 5 Star top 10-15 prospect, he ain’t hopping over Agbaji.
Rayjon Tucker, a grad transfer from Little Rock. He was head and shoulders better than Ochai last year. I’d actually think about starting them both if we miss on Hampton or Dotson doesn’t come back.
Ah, got it, didn’t realize he was a grad transfer. Yeah, that could justify it.
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I don’t want anyone that causes a situation where Agbaji doesn’t start. Dotson, Tucker, Agbaji works quite nicely.
Loyalty and opportunity should be given to a guy that burned a redshirt to save our season.
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I think they will work hard to fit Agbaji into that SG position. I see him starting no matter who KU potentially lands.
Landing Tucker is basically a more polished version of Agbaji. It also removes the necessity for Garrett to start and play 40 minutes. We know where Self’s loyalty is there though
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@HighEliteMajor shouldn’t the better player that shoots better which this team desperately needs start??
*if Ochai drastically improves his shot this Summer and proves to be the better option he could fit that.
But talent and fit are should be the only thing that matters when it comes to starting and or playing time
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@BeddieKU23 Agreed. The big key, as you mentioned, is to try to marginalize the need Garrett’s minutes. But of course, Garrett does have a role, and it could be a very important role. A player like Garrett is Self’s soft spot. It is clear to me that Self, deep in his coaching mind, somehow likes the pain of a poor offensive player that does the other things at a high level. We know he views shooting as an unreliable commodity.
@Woodrow My view on roster building … just my personal view … involves loyalty and commitment. So when you have a potential star, and a humble one at that in Agbaji, you don’t recruit over that guy. You don’t bring someone in, presumptively, to push him out of his starting role. In the long run, I think that gives you a better team dynamic. Of course, competition is good. The type of competition and one year fixes aren’t my preference related to what are the better players on your roster.
And Agbaji really doesn’t need to improve his shot in my opinion. He needs to better improve his flow into his shot. Too many times it was grab and shoot – appearing rushed. I think it is an easy fix, and I expect we’ll see that next season. My only quibble is the feet are a bit wide but a lot of really good shooters have done that. He’s got an angle to his body that is similar to Malik Newman, shot-wise, and that works for a lot of players. Just needs to maintain a shooter’s tempo.
We should place our complete faith in this kid to be a cornerstone.
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Agbaji played hurt down the stretch as well. I admire everything about what this kid provided for this team last year. I agree about building around him. Garrett has a ton of value, another player that played on one leg for his team. We know what he brings and what he doesn’t. It’s never going to change. But this team needs shooting desperately to balance it all out.
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Marcus Garrett is an interesting case. He’s going to be a four year player. We all know that.
The question is how much more he can improve if he does not improve as a shooter.
We all agree that Garrett does very well at the little things and is an outstanding defender. Those are skills that he owns, and I am not all that concerned that those will erode or that his effort will take a step back. However, I am still concerned. My concern comes from questioning how much more Garrett can improve as a player if his most glaring weakness does not improve. Simply put, how good does he have to be at the little things if he continues to shoot around 30% from the perimeter?
Garrett’s lack of shooting puts incredible pressure on the rest of his game. He has to rebound and defend at such a high level simply to be playable. That’s why I wrote about Garrett doing a complete teardown and rebuild of his jumpshot yesterday. I fear that Garrett has maxed out his potential if he does not improve as a shooter. It’s just too big a hole in his game (like being a guard that can’t handle the ball). His improvement as a player at this point is almost exclusively dependent on his development as a shooter.
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@HighEliteMajor No Mason status - unless he stays four years.
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It puts incredible pressure on the team as well. If your trotting out Garrett and Azubuike on the floor at the same time that’s just making it really easy for teams to guard you.
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@nuleafjhawk Agreed … I do think he has the skills to compete for national POY. But we may not see it here.
@BeddieKU23 @justanotherfan Completely agree. Heck, it may be impossible for Garrett to make an entry pass to Doke. His guy could just sag deep. He’s Releford without the shot.
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@chriz I have heard that Zeus Jackson is seriously considering KU.
