Marquette Golden Eagles - Wednesday - 6pm - ESPN 2
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@wrwlumpy that guy was so funny!
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Don’t forget our favorite accomplishment of Marquette: 2003, Final 4 Semifinal Loss.
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@mayjay Probably the highest high and lowest low between 2 games in KU basketball history.
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This game is a little personal. I’ve never cheered for Marquette, but a friend of mine has two grandsons that play, start, and actually are pretty prominent members of the Marquette team. The two Hauser brothers are the Grandsons of my friend Steve F in Antigo, WI where we lived fofr quite some time. I’m not a close enough friend that it would change my cheering allegiances just for this game however so it’s Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
KU has yet to play Wisconsin since I began following the Badgers in the late '90’s. Kind of hard to believe since both have been so consistently good. Steph Curry ruined the closest they came to playing in 2008 when Davidson blew out the Badgers in the game before they faced our National Champs.
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@mayjay i was at the game. It was amazing! Way more fun than the game following it.
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In Marquette’s most recent game against providence, this was their starting lineup:
Markus Howard G, 5’11, 175 lb, Jr.
Jamal Cain F, 6’7, 195 lb, So.
Sam Hauser F, 6’8, 225 lb, Jr.
Joey Hauser F, 6’9, 230 lb, Fr.
Theo John F, 6’9, 240 lb, So.
Markus Howard is Marquette’s best player. He’s averaging 20, 5.8, and 5.5 this season. He’s a 37.5% 3-point shooter. Last season he shot 40.4% from 3. Howard will probably be guarded by Devon Dotson to start the game. Sam Hauser is a legit 3-point shooter. This season he’s shooting 34.5% from 3, which is okay. Last season he shot 48.7% from 3 (95/195), so he can stroke it. His younger brother, Joey Hauser, is a little bigger and taller, and not as good a 3-point shooter, but still a decent 3-point shooter at 33.3%. Theo John does not shoot 3’s. He gets points and rebounds and he’s not a passer. He’s shooting 81.3% from the field but 36.4% from the FT line. He’s a decent shot blocker. He appears to be a smaller version of Doke. Jamal Cain is shooting 28.6% from 3 this season, but last season he shot 47.3% from 3 (26-55).
Marquette appears to be a very good 3-point shooting team, and Kansas doesn’t know how to guard the 3-point line. So if Marquette gets hot from the outside, this could be a long night for Kansas. They also present matchup problems, starting 4 players who are 6’7 or taller. I will be interested to see if Bill Self plays his usual starting 5. If he does, I would guess that the matchups will look like:
Dotson - Howard
Vick - Cain
Grimes - S. Hauser
Dedric - J. Hauser
Doke - John
This might be a game where HCBS tries playing a lineup with Dedric at the 3.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich good challenge
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Kansas is going to lose if they don’t guard the 3-point line.
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It’s most likely going to be a loss. I’m predicting a loss in fact. Just a nightmare match-up. Hopefully the defense gets better as Self installs more over the early season.
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@BShark I hope you aren’t watching!
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@BShark We’ll win. I said we have a long way to go- i didn’t say we’d lose to the cheese dicks.
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Good guys by double digits.
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KJ Lawson seems like a good option to guard a forward who is stepping out and shooting threes. I thought he should have guarded 6’6" Justin Miller when he go hot during the first half of the Ragin’ Cagin game. KJ is scrappy.
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This is the type of game where Self has to show some lineup flexibility. He may need to stagger Doke and Dedric a bit more to help himself defensively. This is a tough team to work out, because our best five players don’t necessarily work well in a lineup together (Dotson, Grimes, Vick, Dedric, Doke) either offensively or defensively because the inside guys aren’t mobile enough defensively, and tend to get in each other’s way offensively.
KU may need to experiment with Dedric at the 5 in some lineups, or Doke with four guards. I’m still not sure of the exact solution, but it is time to tinker with some lineups to figure out what works on both ends so we aren’t doing this in January.
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What am I missing? Marquette does not strike me as a particularly dangerous 3 point shooting team. The only player averaging 0.400 has taken only 5 shots. KU seems like a much better 3 point shooting team. Their wins were against UMBC, Bethune-Cookmand and Presbyterian and lost by 23 to Indiana.
KU wins going away by double digits likely well into the 20s.
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I never predict KU will lose.
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wissox said:
I never predict KU will lose.
I did predict their football team would lose once however.
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@JayHawkFanToo Last year’s stats with mostly the same players. If anything they have underperformed from 3 to start the year. Combine that with KU’s poor defense which allows nothing but wide open threes and we could be looking at a break out game where Marquette scores over 100.
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BShark said:
@JayHawkFanToo Last year’s stats with mostly the same players. If anything they have underperformed from 3 to start the year. Combine that with KU’s poor defense which allows nothing but wide open threes and we could be looking at a break out game where Marquette scores over 100.
You made me look it up. Bill Self has never given up 100 points in a game that didn’t go into overtime while at KU.
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BShark said:
@JayHawkFanToo Last year’s stats with mostly the same players. If anything they have underperformed from 3 to start the year. Combine that with KU’s poor defense which allows nothing but wide open threes and we could be looking at a break out game where Marquette scores over 100.
To @BShark’s point, Markus Howard was a 40% shooter on 275 attempts last year. Sam Hauser was 48% on 195 attempts. Jamal Cain was 47% on 55 attempts.
Those three are currently 26-75, or 34.6%. Last year they were 232-525, or 44.1%. Chances are they get back on track and trending closer to that 40% mark. Either Howard or Hauser could hit 4 or 5 threes in a game with no problem. Neither has ever shot below 40% from three on the season (both are juniors).
Often, we think about regression to the mean meaning performance will go down, but for these players, their past performance suggests they will start shooting much better.
Combine that with the weaknesses that different people have been identifying, and this could be the type of game that eats KU’s defense up, particularly off primary ball screen actions.
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@Kcmatt7 Nova sure felt like it heh.
@justanotherfan Exactly. KU would have to improve a lot and I just don’t see it.
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KU favored by 8.5 tomorrow night. I also just realized that the KU game is the second game of the doubleheader. I just assumed with it being at 6 that it was the first.
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@wrwlumpy you are truly a MVP. Love these topics. Can’t tell you how much I love your work.
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And Research
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Marquette? KU lose to Marquette? Vermont is better than Marquette — maybe. In this early window, when our chemistry is not yet formed, we are always at risk.
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@wissox You mean once a week, right?
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Regarding 3 point shooting at Madison Square Gardens, the bigger arena usually hampers 3 point shooters and I expect that to affect Marquette’s final score more than KU. Plus, how are they going to stop Dok? I expect a repeat of the last two games with Dok and Vick dominating. And, maybe one of our freshmen steps up. I can really see the difference not having the experience of Frank and Devonte at point. This will take awhile.
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stoptheflop said:
Regarding 3 point shooting at Madison Square Gardens, the bigger arena usually hampers 3 point shooters and I expect that to affect Marquette’s final score more than KU. Plus, how are they going to stop Dok? I expect a repeat of the last two games with Dok and Vick dominating. And, maybe one of our freshmen steps up. I can really see the difference not having the experience of Frank and Devonte at point. This will take awhile.
MSG is a traditional basketball arena. It’s not like the domes they convert to basketball for the Final Four. The only reason three point shooting suffers in MSG is because the Knicks play there.
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Isn’t the game in the Barclays center in Brooklyn not MSG?
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@HighEliteMajor Vermont is not better than Marquette. Not even close. Marquette is ranked 35th on KenPom, and Vermont is ranked 124th.
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@kjayhawks Yes, the game is in Brooklyn at Barclays Center. Thanks.
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My 1st time in Barclays center and it is certainly impressive. The arena was about 2/3rd full and most folks were KU fans. It was so sweet to listen to Rock Chalk chant ant the end.
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From the TV images it looked like the ends were fairly empty.
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@JayHawkFanToo That’s correct, partly because many TN and Louisville fans had left after their game. On a separate note they played the new intro video which gave me goose bumps. KU was the only team that brought cheerleaders and mascot.
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@AsadZ - Are you going to Friday’s game? (Color me jealous!)
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@Gorilla72 unfortunately not going although I’m still trying to work around you never know
