Poor Silvio
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“In my 30-plus years of coaching college basketball, I have never witnessed such a mean-spirited and vindictive punishment against a young man who did nothing wrong,” Self said. “To take away his opportunity to play college basketball is shameful and a failure of the NCAA.”
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Can some one remind me what transpired with Silvio last season? We held him out, the NCAA held him out,? I forget, but didn’t the NCAA then rule he was good to go or was it a transcript issue and not a money issue? I forget.
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@dylans If Silvio was suspended for just this season, would you feel the same way? Do you think Self would have reacted the same way?
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@wissox I believe his finalized package got to the NCAA while they were closed over Christmas and New Years. Then it took until the 3rd game in January for his eligibility determination to be made. (Incidentally, Wikipedia incorrectly says he was ruled ineligible fall semester last season for not meeting IMG requirements, but he actually was just still in HS!)
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Stop recruiting kids with “handlers”.
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@jayhawkcsg Fenny is the one full of crap in this case. He’s not stupid enough to leave a paper trail of the money he got from Under Armour.
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BigBad said:
Stop recruiting kids with “handlers”.
I’ve got good news, KU is still heavily recruiting Precious Achiuwa…
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@mayjay Thanks.
I’ve been trying to figure out how to respond to the whining comment last night since it was directed at me (without mentioning my name!) Do you believe that Ayton’s recruitment to Arizona was legit? I just read that Miller was not on tape before Ayton’s commitment talking about how to get him here, but he was still on tape talking to sleazy characters about getting other recruits. Of course our coach was on tape with similar discussions as I recall. The situations seem somewhat equal to me. Except the consequences of course. And an NCAA that all the time is looked at with suspicion (see the Cam Newton saga) when it comes to certain leagues and regions seems to be guilty as charged.
But my wife will tell you that I am a whiner too so maybe I’m guilty as charged.
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@wissox I’d want u on my team!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 u don’t believe anything he said in kc article? Couldn’t some of that be proved?
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There is no reason to believe fenny. He took money. He can spin where it where he wants. He failed Silvio, the guy that was supposed to guide him to a better life. Some of that he has done, but this part is an epic fail on his part
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BeddieKU23 said:
There is no reason to believe fenny. He took money. He can spin where it went all he wants. He failed Silvio, the guy that was supposed to guide him to a better life. Some of that he has done, but this part is an epic fail on his part
It kills me that Bruno still gets to play.
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Didn’t go to an Adidas school. That helps
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@BeddieKU23 Oh I know why, but it’s painfully obvious that he took money for Bruno too. You don’t get a bunch of kids under your wing to only take money for ONE of them.
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Yeah your right. You just happen to get 2 nba potential kids under your control. Sure it’s all coincidence. It’s just like diallos guy. Achiuwa situation is no different from what my friend tells me. The bidding is out there
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What a strange “coincidence” that the NCAA waited until Hurt was visiting to announce their decision. They’ve had months to announce, and they just happen to announce it now. Really? Seriously? Are we the college version of Lemony Snickets, and unfortunate events just seem to happen? They are trying to bury us.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think he’s full of half truths and trying to cover his own ass. He doesn’t genuinely care about Silvio or any other kids he’s “mentored”. He’s only about what he can get out of those arrangements.
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KUSTEVE said:
What a strange “coincidence” that the NCAA waited until Hurt was visiting to announce their decision. They’ve had months to announce, and they just happen to announce it now. Really? Seriously? Are we the college version of Lemony Snickets, and unfortunate events just seem to happen? They are trying to bury us.
Actually, this could be a positive. Now the Hurts will know Silvio isn’t in the picture for next year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 so I guess I’m a sucker! I don’t understand why that can’t be proved, the online classes, the church donation. My church sends a quarterly statement to me.
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Even if he did prove it it doesnt change the fact he took money. In their eyes that act alone makes everything else null and void it seems
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@Texas-Hawk-10 you could be right but if this case goes to court, you have to prove it. If the NCAA cant prove it, they look silly
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@BeddieKU23 which money did he take, Maryland booster money? Kinda confused about this other booster money. How can adidas guy be considered KU booster?
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So I read the kusports.com new article about grassola being a KU booster. Not sure how they determined that. That sounds like him being a booster is what can get KU in trouble.
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@Crimsonorblue22 booster: a keen promoter of a person, organization, or cause
I think employees of Adidas can be considered KU boosters. They want us to do well so they sell more shoes.
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@tundrahok so they are boosters of all adidas schools? Same with all shoe guys?
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I have the opinion they only proved the 2500 through the fbi trial. They are also holding Silvio responsible for the 20k payment Gassnola said he agreed to pay Fenny which never actually happened. Those two line up with the report. So one actual payment and one alleged payment is what Silvio is being punished for. Sad situation where alleged payments become part of a 2 yr suspension.
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Vitale just had a short rant about the NCAA and Silvio on the Duke broadcast. Of course interrupted by a giant Zion alley oop… Basically called the NCAA a joke, but only for taking so long to rule.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I have the opinion they only proved the 2500 through the fbi trial. They are also holding Silvio responsible for the 20k payment Gassnola said he agreed to pay Fenny which never actually happened. Those two line up with the report. So one actual payment and one alleged payment is what Silvio is being punished for. Sad situation where alleged payments become part of a 2 yr suspension.
and don’t forget the “future” payments that Fenny was promised. That, too, according to the NCAA.
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@wissox It wasn’t directed particularly at you. I was reacting to the automatic “what about…” that seems to permeate every discussion when anyone gets caught or accused of anything. We saw it with Trump (what about JFK? and HRC’s email servers?), with the idiot Va governor today (what about McConnell and the Confed flag?), with BLM (what about inner city shootings?)… And on and on. And my major point is that people have said “what about KU?” for years.
Every “what about” may or not be a legit question, but they distract from any discussion about an offense or punishment. My sole concern is whether SDS was treated too harshly–not because I think other schools get treated better but because I think the NCAA doesn’t give two shits about individual athletes when they decide to set a brutal example.
Ayton? I have no idea, but I am actually very sure if UAz had consented to the facts we did while Ayton was still in school they would have been treated the same way.
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How about
no evidence of promises of future payments from a convicted felon to a guardian. Can that be used against a minor kid of the guardian? Or same, no evidence of the 20,000 other than he was going to give him the money?
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@Crimsonorblue22 None of those transactions he received are going to be through traditional methods of receiving payments. Fenny knew what he was doing was against NCAA rules and so the money would likely be paid to him through methods that are not traceable by the NCAA like wire transfers under different names that don’t directly tie Fenny to that money. Fenny then has the ability to tell the NCAA they can check all his accounts and they’ll never find the $60,000 because it’s likely in a secret account under a different name.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 they don’t have to prove it to punish Silvio?
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kjayhawks said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 you could be right but if this case goes to court, you have to prove it. If the NCAA cant prove it, they look silly
Why would KU sue though at this point? By the time a jury reached a verdict, Silvio would be long gone from KU. If the NCAA hands out further punishment to KU, then KU could possibly sue the NCAA over those penalties, but it won’t happen to get Silvio reinstated because Silvio wouldn’t benefit from it unless he’s planning on sticking around which is extremely unlikely at this point.
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Silvios attorney might do something. Silvio is very young, if he could get next year here, he might stay. Hate for him to end up like Preston, Prestons mom screwed him. There needs to be something done about agents. @wissox and i would be great!
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@Crimsonorblue22 The NCAA isn’t a court room or the legal system. Due process doesn’t apply to them when investigating schools and athletes. With the NCAA, it’s guilty until proven innocent. It would be up to KU to prove what did or did not happen. Gassnola’s testimony about the $60,000 payment from Under Armour and his attempting to pay $20,000 to get out from that deal are pretty damning pieces of evidence against Silvio’s eligibility.
The Cam rule absolutely sucks, but it’s the current rules of the NCAA.
The part that’s troubling for KU is Gassnola being labeled a KU booster. That’s what KU is going to be fighting at this point because that’s where the serious NCAA sanctions would come from. If Silvio’s punishment gets reduced as a result, that’s great, but KU’s focus in fighting this will be on Gassnola and his label as a booster.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 thx!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 is this new about shoe reps being called boosters?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 is this new about shoe reps being called boosters?
I have no idea and I haven’t seen anything about why the NCAA considers Gassnola a booster.
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This came up awhile ago in some older articles and seems to be the approach that the NCAA is going to take.
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@BShark better include all schools
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark better include all schools
Ha! Nike hid it better sadly. And now Adidas is back to normal too.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think anybody who gives a kid money to attend a particular school is considered a booster for that school.
Here’s the NCAA definition.
http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/role-boosters
Boosters, referred to by the NCAA as “representatives of the institution’s athletic interests,” include anyone who has:
Provided a donation in order to obtain season tickets for any sport at the university. Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs. Made financial contributions to the athletic department or to a university booster organization. Arranged for or provided employment for enrolled student-athletes. Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes. Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families. Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever.
I don’t think they need to be sanctioned by the university. They are just trying to provide a boost to the school, whether or not they’ve been asked to.
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Jeff Long says that the NCAA would consider reinstatement if KU announces Gassnola was a booster.
Sorry Silvio, kansas doesnt like you that much
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Just a follow up, Long was told to say Gassnola was a booster to help facilitate a process for reinstatement
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The full statement by the NCAA announcing what they laughably term Silvio’s “reinstatement decision” says that the decision was based on facts provided by KU. Whether de Sousa was not a party to the statement of facts would be pretty much the only factor that would allow him to challenge the factual basis for the decision. If he was, his only challenge would be to the severity.
From NCAA.com:
NCAA provides reinstatement decision for Kansas’ Silvio De Sousa February 1, 2019 6:05pm
University of Kansas men’s basketball student-athlete Silvio De Sousa must sit out the remainder of the 2018-19 season and the 2019-20 season because his guardian received payment from a university booster and agent and agreed to receive additional funds from the same person.
According to the facts provided for purposes of the reinstatement request, De Sousa’s guardian received payment of $2,500 from an agent and booster of the school. He agreed to accept additional payment of $20,000 from the same individual and an Adidas employee for securing De Sousa’s enrollment at Kansas.
According to the guidelines adopted by the NCAA Division I membership, when a prospective student-athlete allows a third party to involve himself in the recruitment process, the prospective student-athlete is then responsible for the actions of that person, regardless of whether the prospective student-athlete had knowledge or if benefits were received. Membership guidelines state the starting point for these violations is permanent ineligibility, but the NCAA staff recognized mitigation based on the specific circumstances of this case when making its decision.
When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated. The NCAA staff reviews each student-athlete reinstatement request individually based on its own specific facts. This decision may be appealed to the Division I Student-Athlete Reinstatement Committee, which is comprised of representatives from NCAA schools.
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@mayjay are they saying KU admitted to all of that? Future payments, sorry I’m confused.
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@Crimsonorblue22 It looks like it. But whether SDS signed off on that is not known. It does imply from the explanation that the NCAA accepts SDS’ story of not knowing. But the FBI actually cleared Bowen, and that didn’t matter, either.
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So confusing
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It doesnt really seem to matter if you prove your innocent. Once a rule is broke it’s over. All or nothing
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Soooo, the NCAA told us about a month ago that the only way they would consider reinstating DeSouza is if we declared him ineligible, and also we “declare” the Adidas rep T.J. Gassnola a “booster”. And like complete idiots, we did that. That way, the NCAA could ban DeSouza for 2 years, and they could come after our wins, conference title, and Final Four appearance because a KU “booster” gave a guardian money. So, we were misled into screwing ourselves to the wall. This was a despicable act by the guardian, and the NCAA, and might be the most egregious act on the part of the NCAA since it’s inception. Somebody has the knives out for us, and stuck it in deep. Here is our brilliant Athletic Director explaining his complete ignorance of what bastards he was dealing with:
If our conference title, wins and Final Four get set aside, I think Jeff Long should be shown the door.
