Poor Silvio
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@mayjay @JayHawkFanToo @dylans…and all…thanks for your thoughts. As has been pointed out in every thread touching on the subject…it’s just a ridiculous mess.
So does KU/SDS end up here while others don’t simply because the Adidas trial went first and before the season while the Nike/UA teams get one more year to ride it out because their trials are after the season?
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@focojayhawk I think there is a 30% chance the alphabet boys go after Nike schools. It would be 0% if the adidas trial had come back without convictions.
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We’re number 1…we’re number 1…
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@JayHawkFanToo What’s your precedent for asserting that it is unlikely that KU would be penalized if it did not know of the DeSousa payments? Memphis vacated a FF appearance and they didn’t know. Rose was cleared to play by the NCAA beforehand too.
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As you know, all the information related to an NCAA investigation is not made public. KU was penalized in 1988 allegedly for providing a prospect a plane ticket but we found out later there were a lot more serious issues that were not made public that brought KU to the brink of the dreaded “death penalty.”
According to the Chicago Tribune, and numerous other publications ”The Educational Testing Service’s cancellation of the player’s test score fit into the NCAA’s “strict liability” category, and the infractions committee did not need to investigate further because it meant the player was ineligible before the season. The NCAA attempted to contact the player twice to attain proof he took the exam, according to the report, but he didn’t respond.”
The ETS contacted Rose and Memphis before the end of the season pursuant its investigation and Memphis was aware of the potential issues and yet chose to play him anyway. Unlike KU, Memphis was aware of the issue while Rose was playing.
Keep in mind that it was not the only violation disclosed; Rose’s brother had also been provided transportation and accommodations to many of the games. There was a clear pattern of program personnel ignoring and/or bypassing issues.
KU, on the other hand, has been proactive in dealing with issues as shown with Alexander, Preston and now DeSousa, all high ranked prospects and did not play any of them once questions of eligibility surfaced. A complete different approach to that of Memphis.
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@JayHawkFanToo Nice info, but should be Memphis?
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@mayjay The Calipari link taints everything!
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LOL…Freudian slip. Fixed now.
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@JayHawkFanToo Thank you. But my question is, what is the precedent or authority for you suggestion? Your suggestion that KU would be unlikely to be penalized if it didn’t know in advance of the payments. What authority is there that it is “unlikely” we’ll be penalized if we didn’t know of the DeSousa payments before or while we were playing him?
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Most of the players I can think including Jackson and Selby at KU that received illegal benefits without the school being aware, received the penalty themselves and the school was not penalized unless you consider sitting the player a penalty to the school. KU was not penalized for Alexander either because it acted proactively and sat him as soon as it found out of possible violations in the same way it did with Preston and now DeSousa. KU has been exemplary in this respect. Now, If we find out KU was aware of DeSousa potential ineligibility last season and played him anyway then all bets are off.
Memphis was aware of the allegation before the end of the season and played Rose anyway as did some other schools that were penalized.
East Coast Nike schools such as UNC and Duke are exempt from rules and penalties as we all know…all too well.
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well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I’d rather root for the guys wearing white hats, not gray, definitely not black. Hurts to do the right thing by the rules here. Character building I suppose.
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jayballer73 said:
well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Would you please post the link to the article or share the name of the “reliable source”
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Per Silvio: No link. No article. No reliable source to identify. Just a poster offering his insight.
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jayballer73 said:
well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Given the reputation of the poster on the Phog, I’d guess he was just getting attention for his favorite restaurant. “Click bait”, in other words. Nothing to it.
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jayhawkcsg said:
Per Silvio: No link. No article. No reliable source to identify. Just a poster offering his insight.
@jayhawkcsg: Thanks for the clarification
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It’s Neenyo, so you assume the info is bad.
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bcjayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Would you please post the link to the article or share the name of the “reliable source”
I don’t know how to post links. - - I just was reading this of the Phog it was just a poster threading sayin it came from a reliable source - I wouldn’t get that worked up on it - -that’s why I said take it for what it’s worth.
You can look at it in the Phog - -it isn’t a VIP so you can read it he just said I guess it was this guys very reliable source
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Any reliable source would have to work in the NCAA compliance section and I don’t think any two of them agree what to do.
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Gorilla72 said:
jayballer73 said:
well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Given the reputation of the poster on the Phog, I’d guess he was just getting attention for his favorite restaurant. “Click bait”, in other words. Nothing to it.
Again THAT’S why I said take it for what it’s worth. - -Hell I don’t know who the poster is personally - -do you know him personally to know what he said is BS? - -that’s what I thought. - -I know him/you know him through media - - but ya kind of odd that he is throwing in promos about restaurant while posting - -crazy group. - -takes all kinds lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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SILVIO DE SOUSA CLEARED TO PLAY!!!
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buffer 1
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sorry guys, I couldn’t help it.
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my wife told me I’m messed up for posting that.
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Got me!
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approxinfinity said:
my wife told me I’m messed up for posting that.
@approxinfinity: Your wife is correct and now your fellow Bucketeers all have a
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I’ll let it slide as long as ku wins Tomm
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THAT was not nice!!
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approxinfinity said:
my wife told me I’m messed up for posting that.
YA YOU ARE
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@approxinfinity can’t forgive you!
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Is it April 1?
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@dylans nah it’s December, a.k.a. Silvio de Sousa Eligibility Achievement month
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I am being cautiously optimistic here, but another poster on the Phog, who has some pretty solid connections, has also stated that good news regarding SDS should be coming within the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
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@approxinfinity http://m.kusports.com/weblogs/keegan-lunch-break/2018/jan/10/time-for-ncaa-to-stand-up-and-clear-silv/?templates=mobile
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1JayhawkLifer said:
I am being cautiously optimistic here, but another poster on the Phog, who has some pretty solid connections, has also stated that good news regarding SDS should be coming within the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
OSUGem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neenyo.
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This thing abut Silvio is starting to gain Uncle mo - -some others have said now that they also have been hearing from around that there POSSIBLY is some truth to this.
Another poster said he had been told quite possibly by Christmas - -and NO they ARE NOT talking about Doke.
Holy crap I( don’t know for sure. - - I will say found it just kind of curious -that out of the blue clear sky - -that Coach Self just totally off the wall came out and mentioned would be nice if Sivio was here playing. - The topic was no where touching anything about Silvio and just by pure happen stance - -where did the hell did that come from?
Starting to see a lot more talk - -I thinking something has leaked -You tell me - -Why would Coach just bring Silvio’s name up in the post game out of the clear blue - -going right in stride with things starting to stir - -and then Silvio Tweet - - - interesting tweet at that .- - Who know’s
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My Deal has always been if they can only prove he got $2200 for online classes and has shown he has paid it back, he should have sat out enough games either last season or by missing these next 2 before Xmas, especially if look at a similar situation as the Selby one.
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I’m curious how Kansas will be treated by the NCAA on this one after the NCAA supported our modernized compliance department to the level of making it a model for other universities.
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The problem isn’t Silvo. The problem is the agents, shoe companies, and the NCAA. Here you have kids that have nothing. No real parents to guide them. NO pot to piss in. Yet all they have is the ability to play the game of basketball. Yet every time they are the ones that pay the price. Coaches still get paid, Agents still get paid, and the NCAA still gets paid. Yet the kids get destroyed and get cheated out of a future of money and a education. We fans demand kids like Silvio to have this uncanny of heroism and justice. Yet we forget where they come from. Where just surviving is the main course. Some of you need to check your righteous mindsets. While you grew up in a home with two parents and played sports year round. Some kids are just happy to get home in one piece.
Who should be punished here? Really? Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes the NCAA.
Free Silvio. Let the kid play.
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DoubleDD said:
The problem isn’t Silvo. The problem is the agents, shoe companies, and the NCAA. Here you have kids that have nothing. No real parents to guide them. NO pot to piss in. Yet all they have is the ability to play the game of basketball. Yet every time they are the ones that pay the price. Coaches still get paid, Agents still get paid, and the NCAA still gets paid. Yet the kids get destroyed and get cheated out of a future of money and a education. We fans demand kids like Silvio to have this uncanny of heroism and justice. Yet we forget where they come from. Where just surviving is the main course. Some of you need to check your righteous mindsets. While you grew up in a home with two parents and played sports year round. Some kids are just happy to get home in one piece.
Who should be punished here? Really? Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes the NCAA.
Free Silvio. Let the kid play.
@DoubleDD: AMEN:heavy_exclamation_mark:
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Yes and no. I would say that in most cases, the prospect himself is generally aware of what is being done on his behalf; perhaps the foreign prospects are less aware but not necessarily fully in the dark.
We know that Preston knew full well what was going on and actively participated in the coverup and he also directly benefited from the money paid by Adidas, which turned out to be one of the reasons why he and family were caught, and his career is now in serious jeopardy if not finished.
All top prospects know each other well and all share experiences, particularly in the AAU circuit, and it is foolish to believe they do not talk about what is going on and how much they are worth to programs; all they have to do is get on the Internet and all the information is readily available for all to see. We have to stop assuming that the kids are always innocent victims and admit that in most cases are willing participants.
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Yeah, everyone’s at fault here, including the kid and his parents. These kids aren’t dumb, nor are their parents. They know what’s going on, Adidas knows what’s going on, and Kansas knows what’s going on. Everyone’s at fault for breaking the NCAA rules. Doesn’t mean those rules are right, but even if they aren’t, it doesn’t mean people have a right to break them.
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@JayHawkFanToo and @chriz
The key word here is kids. I’m afraid you trying to compare your upbringing with those of these young superstars. As someone that has grown up in the ghetto, and have seen what goes on. I don’t blame any of these kids for getting what they can. You don’t put a full course meal in front of a staving person and say you can’t have it then walk away. That is the problem. If the Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes even the NCAA really cared about these kids they would fix the system. Until then I promise you some young superstar starved for a normal life with a roof over their head and food in the fridge will break the rules/take the money.
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DoubleDD said:
@JayHawkFanToo and @chriz
The key word here is kids. I’m afraid you trying to compare your upbringing with those of these young superstars. As someone that has grown up in the ghetto, and have seen what goes on. I don’t blame any of these kids for getting what they can. You don’t put a full course meal in front of a staving person and say you can’t have it then walk away. That is the problem. If the Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes even the NCAA really cared about these kids they would fix the system. Until then I promise you some young superstar starved for a normal life with a roof over their head and food in the fridge will break the rules/take the money.
I strongly disagree with you because generalizations are dangerous and in this case, invalid. You are assuming that only poor people that grew up on the ghetto break the law and should be given a pass, both assumptions are incorrect…in my opinion. Respect for rules, regulations and the law should not be and it is not dependent on social or economical standing, it just shows the moral compass of individuals. Many of the prospects that broke the law did not grow up in the ghetto or came from extremely disadvantage backgrounds and most that grew up under those circumstances do not break rules, regulation or the law.
Look at some KU players. Devonte’s mother had him when she was 14 and yet they managed to do things right under extreme circumstances. Preston, on the other hand, did not grow up in the ghetto or had extreme financial hardship and yet he and his family knowingly and willfully broke all kinds of rules and regulation because of greed.
BTW, you really don’t know what my upbringing was.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
DoubleDD said:
@JayHawkFanToo and @chriz
The key word here is kids. I’m afraid you trying to compare your upbringing with those of these young superstars. As someone that has grown up in the ghetto, and have seen what goes on. I don’t blame any of these kids for getting what they can. You don’t put a full course meal in front of a staving person and say you can’t have it then walk away. That is the problem. If the Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes even the NCAA really cared about these kids they would fix the system. Until then I promise you some young superstar starved for a normal life with a roof over their head and food in the fridge will break the rules/take the money.
I strongly disagree with you because generalizations are dangerous and in this case, invalid. You are assuming that only poor people that grew up on the ghetto break the law and should be given a pass, both assumptions are incorrect…in my opinion. Respect for rules, regulations and the law should not be and it is not dependent on social or economical standing, it just shows the moral compass of individuals. Many of the prospects that broke the law did not grow up in the ghetto or came from extremely disadvantage backgrounds and most that grew up under those circumstances do not break rules, regulation or the law.
Look at some KU players. Devonte’s mother had him when she was 14 and yet they managed to do things right under extreme circumstances. Preston, on the other hand, did not grow up in the ghetto or had extreme financial hardship and yet he and his family knowingly and willfully broke all kinds of rules and regulation because of greed.
BTW, you really don’t know what my upbringing was.
You can disagree all you want too. Was your upbringing like when you called the cops after dark they didn’t show up? Mine was. I don’t put any of the blame at the feet of these kids. They are faced with crazy skills, yet they look around at their mother and siblings suffering. With no help coming but a government check.
Then you place a wad of cash in front of them and not expect them to not bight? The NBA is a pipe dream. So few make it. It’s just a fact. In the places most of these kids come from you take what you can get. Period. The bigger picture is a pipe dream.
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Also @JayHawkFanToo why is it so wrong? As you ride your noble horse. When coaches, agents, Shoe companies, and yes even the NCAA created a environment it’s so easy to take the money? Answer me that one?
It appears from your responses you put the blame at the foot of the kids. Even saying a lack of a moral values is the problem?
So when your broke, watching your siblings and mom starve?These kids are supposed to have a righteous mind, with so many offering promises and large bank accounts. I guess your saying they should kick the their family to the curb and put the schools they are attending first?
Wow OK?
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Again, you have no clue what my upbringing is and yet you feel entitled to use it to justify something that is indefensible.
What you are saying is that because someone is disadvantage he is entitled to break the rules with no consequences and if there is something there for the taking, even when it is wrong, disadvantaged people are entitled to take it anyway…this is flawed logic that does not pass the test of reasonableness and it would not stand in any court of law either. Do you not see that when kids and/or families break the rules they place the program that gave them a full ride in jeopardy? What if their actions cause the program to get penalties that result in loss of scholarships that directly affect other athletes? How about them?
There is no need to ride any moral high horse, moral principles are just that and they are not dependent on class, social or financial status, either you have them or you don’t. Surprised and disappointed you cannot see the difference.
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I’m not sure why you think I’m interested in how you grew up? News flash I’m really not. Haven’t gave it one thought. You see one can have a haughty spirit no matter what side of the rail road tracks you come from.
Sorry stake me to the cross and burn me? I just don’t agree with you and some others on blaming these kids. Kids are a product of their up brining, their environment. These kids grew up with nothing, yet we expect them to keep this moral compass you speak of. No my friend it’s about getting paid, cashing in while you can.
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@DoubleDD Let me guess … it’s always someone else’s fault, right?
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DoubleDD said:
I’m not sure why you think I’m interested in how you grew up? News flash I’m really not. Haven’t gave it one thought. You see one can have a haughty spirit no matter what side of the rail road tracks you come from.
Obviously you are because you keep referring to my upbringing without having a clue how or where I grew up.
Sorry stake me to the cross and burn me? I just don’t agree with you and some others on blaming these kids. Kids are a product of their up brining, their environment. These kids grew up with nothing, yet we expect them to keep this moral compass you speak of. No my friend it’s about getting paid, cashing in while you can.
So, they should get paid and cash in while they can without regard for rules, regulations or the law or the hardship they create for others in the process? That is the textbook definition of lawlessness.
Based on your comments I take it you believe we should allow all the underprivileged people from Central America, and the rest of the world for that matter, that come in illegally, willingly and knowingly violating our laws to stay and get benefits even American don’t get? After all the US is dangling in front of them and why should they not just break the law and help themselves while they can?
