Poor Silvio
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jayballer73 said:
well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Given the reputation of the poster on the Phog, I’d guess he was just getting attention for his favorite restaurant. “Click bait”, in other words. Nothing to it.
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jayhawkcsg said:
Per Silvio: No link. No article. No reliable source to identify. Just a poster offering his insight.
@jayhawkcsg: Thanks for the clarification
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It’s Neenyo, so you assume the info is bad.
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bcjayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Would you please post the link to the article or share the name of the “reliable source”
I don’t know how to post links. - - I just was reading this of the Phog it was just a poster threading sayin it came from a reliable source - I wouldn’t get that worked up on it - -that’s why I said take it for what it’s worth.
You can look at it in the Phog - -it isn’t a VIP so you can read it he just said I guess it was this guys very reliable source
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Any reliable source would have to work in the NCAA compliance section and I don’t think any two of them agree what to do.
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Gorilla72 said:
jayballer73 said:
well take this for what it’s worth -wouldn’t hold a lot into it - -BUT from post off the phog - -poster said that Silvio will be cleared within the next couple of games - per pretty reliable Source - - I’m waiting with baited breathe -but I wouldn’t bet the farm. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Given the reputation of the poster on the Phog, I’d guess he was just getting attention for his favorite restaurant. “Click bait”, in other words. Nothing to it.
Again THAT’S why I said take it for what it’s worth. - -Hell I don’t know who the poster is personally - -do you know him personally to know what he said is BS? - -that’s what I thought. - -I know him/you know him through media - - but ya kind of odd that he is throwing in promos about restaurant while posting - -crazy group. - -takes all kinds lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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SILVIO DE SOUSA CLEARED TO PLAY!!!
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sorry guys, I couldn’t help it.
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my wife told me I’m messed up for posting that.
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Got me!
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approxinfinity said:
my wife told me I’m messed up for posting that.
@approxinfinity: Your wife is correct and now your fellow Bucketeers all have a
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I’ll let it slide as long as ku wins Tomm
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THAT was not nice!!
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approxinfinity said:
my wife told me I’m messed up for posting that.
YA YOU ARE
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@approxinfinity can’t forgive you!
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Is it April 1?
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@dylans nah it’s December, a.k.a. Silvio de Sousa Eligibility Achievement month
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I am being cautiously optimistic here, but another poster on the Phog, who has some pretty solid connections, has also stated that good news regarding SDS should be coming within the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
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@approxinfinity http://m.kusports.com/weblogs/keegan-lunch-break/2018/jan/10/time-for-ncaa-to-stand-up-and-clear-silv/?templates=mobile
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1JayhawkLifer said:
I am being cautiously optimistic here, but another poster on the Phog, who has some pretty solid connections, has also stated that good news regarding SDS should be coming within the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
OSUGem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neenyo.
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This thing abut Silvio is starting to gain Uncle mo - -some others have said now that they also have been hearing from around that there POSSIBLY is some truth to this.
Another poster said he had been told quite possibly by Christmas - -and NO they ARE NOT talking about Doke.
Holy crap I( don’t know for sure. - - I will say found it just kind of curious -that out of the blue clear sky - -that Coach Self just totally off the wall came out and mentioned would be nice if Sivio was here playing. - The topic was no where touching anything about Silvio and just by pure happen stance - -where did the hell did that come from?
Starting to see a lot more talk - -I thinking something has leaked -You tell me - -Why would Coach just bring Silvio’s name up in the post game out of the clear blue - -going right in stride with things starting to stir - -and then Silvio Tweet - - - interesting tweet at that .- - Who know’s
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My Deal has always been if they can only prove he got $2200 for online classes and has shown he has paid it back, he should have sat out enough games either last season or by missing these next 2 before Xmas, especially if look at a similar situation as the Selby one.
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I’m curious how Kansas will be treated by the NCAA on this one after the NCAA supported our modernized compliance department to the level of making it a model for other universities.
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The problem isn’t Silvo. The problem is the agents, shoe companies, and the NCAA. Here you have kids that have nothing. No real parents to guide them. NO pot to piss in. Yet all they have is the ability to play the game of basketball. Yet every time they are the ones that pay the price. Coaches still get paid, Agents still get paid, and the NCAA still gets paid. Yet the kids get destroyed and get cheated out of a future of money and a education. We fans demand kids like Silvio to have this uncanny of heroism and justice. Yet we forget where they come from. Where just surviving is the main course. Some of you need to check your righteous mindsets. While you grew up in a home with two parents and played sports year round. Some kids are just happy to get home in one piece.
Who should be punished here? Really? Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes the NCAA.
Free Silvio. Let the kid play.
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DoubleDD said:
The problem isn’t Silvo. The problem is the agents, shoe companies, and the NCAA. Here you have kids that have nothing. No real parents to guide them. NO pot to piss in. Yet all they have is the ability to play the game of basketball. Yet every time they are the ones that pay the price. Coaches still get paid, Agents still get paid, and the NCAA still gets paid. Yet the kids get destroyed and get cheated out of a future of money and a education. We fans demand kids like Silvio to have this uncanny of heroism and justice. Yet we forget where they come from. Where just surviving is the main course. Some of you need to check your righteous mindsets. While you grew up in a home with two parents and played sports year round. Some kids are just happy to get home in one piece.
Who should be punished here? Really? Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes the NCAA.
Free Silvio. Let the kid play.
@DoubleDD: AMEN:heavy_exclamation_mark:
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Yes and no. I would say that in most cases, the prospect himself is generally aware of what is being done on his behalf; perhaps the foreign prospects are less aware but not necessarily fully in the dark.
We know that Preston knew full well what was going on and actively participated in the coverup and he also directly benefited from the money paid by Adidas, which turned out to be one of the reasons why he and family were caught, and his career is now in serious jeopardy if not finished.
All top prospects know each other well and all share experiences, particularly in the AAU circuit, and it is foolish to believe they do not talk about what is going on and how much they are worth to programs; all they have to do is get on the Internet and all the information is readily available for all to see. We have to stop assuming that the kids are always innocent victims and admit that in most cases are willing participants.
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Yeah, everyone’s at fault here, including the kid and his parents. These kids aren’t dumb, nor are their parents. They know what’s going on, Adidas knows what’s going on, and Kansas knows what’s going on. Everyone’s at fault for breaking the NCAA rules. Doesn’t mean those rules are right, but even if they aren’t, it doesn’t mean people have a right to break them.
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@JayHawkFanToo and @chriz
The key word here is kids. I’m afraid you trying to compare your upbringing with those of these young superstars. As someone that has grown up in the ghetto, and have seen what goes on. I don’t blame any of these kids for getting what they can. You don’t put a full course meal in front of a staving person and say you can’t have it then walk away. That is the problem. If the Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes even the NCAA really cared about these kids they would fix the system. Until then I promise you some young superstar starved for a normal life with a roof over their head and food in the fridge will break the rules/take the money.
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DoubleDD said:
@JayHawkFanToo and @chriz
The key word here is kids. I’m afraid you trying to compare your upbringing with those of these young superstars. As someone that has grown up in the ghetto, and have seen what goes on. I don’t blame any of these kids for getting what they can. You don’t put a full course meal in front of a staving person and say you can’t have it then walk away. That is the problem. If the Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes even the NCAA really cared about these kids they would fix the system. Until then I promise you some young superstar starved for a normal life with a roof over their head and food in the fridge will break the rules/take the money.
I strongly disagree with you because generalizations are dangerous and in this case, invalid. You are assuming that only poor people that grew up on the ghetto break the law and should be given a pass, both assumptions are incorrect…in my opinion. Respect for rules, regulations and the law should not be and it is not dependent on social or economical standing, it just shows the moral compass of individuals. Many of the prospects that broke the law did not grow up in the ghetto or came from extremely disadvantage backgrounds and most that grew up under those circumstances do not break rules, regulation or the law.
Look at some KU players. Devonte’s mother had him when she was 14 and yet they managed to do things right under extreme circumstances. Preston, on the other hand, did not grow up in the ghetto or had extreme financial hardship and yet he and his family knowingly and willfully broke all kinds of rules and regulation because of greed.
BTW, you really don’t know what my upbringing was.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
DoubleDD said:
@JayHawkFanToo and @chriz
The key word here is kids. I’m afraid you trying to compare your upbringing with those of these young superstars. As someone that has grown up in the ghetto, and have seen what goes on. I don’t blame any of these kids for getting what they can. You don’t put a full course meal in front of a staving person and say you can’t have it then walk away. That is the problem. If the Coaches, Agents, Shoe Companies, and yes even the NCAA really cared about these kids they would fix the system. Until then I promise you some young superstar starved for a normal life with a roof over their head and food in the fridge will break the rules/take the money.
I strongly disagree with you because generalizations are dangerous and in this case, invalid. You are assuming that only poor people that grew up on the ghetto break the law and should be given a pass, both assumptions are incorrect…in my opinion. Respect for rules, regulations and the law should not be and it is not dependent on social or economical standing, it just shows the moral compass of individuals. Many of the prospects that broke the law did not grow up in the ghetto or came from extremely disadvantage backgrounds and most that grew up under those circumstances do not break rules, regulation or the law.
Look at some KU players. Devonte’s mother had him when she was 14 and yet they managed to do things right under extreme circumstances. Preston, on the other hand, did not grow up in the ghetto or had extreme financial hardship and yet he and his family knowingly and willfully broke all kinds of rules and regulation because of greed.
BTW, you really don’t know what my upbringing was.
You can disagree all you want too. Was your upbringing like when you called the cops after dark they didn’t show up? Mine was. I don’t put any of the blame at the feet of these kids. They are faced with crazy skills, yet they look around at their mother and siblings suffering. With no help coming but a government check.
Then you place a wad of cash in front of them and not expect them to not bight? The NBA is a pipe dream. So few make it. It’s just a fact. In the places most of these kids come from you take what you can get. Period. The bigger picture is a pipe dream.
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Also @JayHawkFanToo why is it so wrong? As you ride your noble horse. When coaches, agents, Shoe companies, and yes even the NCAA created a environment it’s so easy to take the money? Answer me that one?
It appears from your responses you put the blame at the foot of the kids. Even saying a lack of a moral values is the problem?
So when your broke, watching your siblings and mom starve?These kids are supposed to have a righteous mind, with so many offering promises and large bank accounts. I guess your saying they should kick the their family to the curb and put the schools they are attending first?
Wow OK?
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Again, you have no clue what my upbringing is and yet you feel entitled to use it to justify something that is indefensible.
What you are saying is that because someone is disadvantage he is entitled to break the rules with no consequences and if there is something there for the taking, even when it is wrong, disadvantaged people are entitled to take it anyway…this is flawed logic that does not pass the test of reasonableness and it would not stand in any court of law either. Do you not see that when kids and/or families break the rules they place the program that gave them a full ride in jeopardy? What if their actions cause the program to get penalties that result in loss of scholarships that directly affect other athletes? How about them?
There is no need to ride any moral high horse, moral principles are just that and they are not dependent on class, social or financial status, either you have them or you don’t. Surprised and disappointed you cannot see the difference.
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I’m not sure why you think I’m interested in how you grew up? News flash I’m really not. Haven’t gave it one thought. You see one can have a haughty spirit no matter what side of the rail road tracks you come from.
Sorry stake me to the cross and burn me? I just don’t agree with you and some others on blaming these kids. Kids are a product of their up brining, their environment. These kids grew up with nothing, yet we expect them to keep this moral compass you speak of. No my friend it’s about getting paid, cashing in while you can.
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@DoubleDD Let me guess … it’s always someone else’s fault, right?
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DoubleDD said:
I’m not sure why you think I’m interested in how you grew up? News flash I’m really not. Haven’t gave it one thought. You see one can have a haughty spirit no matter what side of the rail road tracks you come from.
Obviously you are because you keep referring to my upbringing without having a clue how or where I grew up.
Sorry stake me to the cross and burn me? I just don’t agree with you and some others on blaming these kids. Kids are a product of their up brining, their environment. These kids grew up with nothing, yet we expect them to keep this moral compass you speak of. No my friend it’s about getting paid, cashing in while you can.
So, they should get paid and cash in while they can without regard for rules, regulations or the law or the hardship they create for others in the process? That is the textbook definition of lawlessness.
Based on your comments I take it you believe we should allow all the underprivileged people from Central America, and the rest of the world for that matter, that come in illegally, willingly and knowingly violating our laws to stay and get benefits even American don’t get? After all the US is dangling in front of them and why should they not just break the law and help themselves while they can?
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@JayHawkFanToo whoa!
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We may not argue Silvio much right now for obvious reasons. I don’t understand why a sleazy desperate crooked shoe whore lawyer was able to impact a kid’s college career. He was desperate to clear his client and created mud. He then chose to sling that mud hoping to clear his clients. His mud slinging didn’t work and his client/s was/were still found guilty. But why does Silvio seem to be a real “victim” in this horrid affair? Regardless of what happens, Silvio did absolutely nothing wrong.
So if Silvio was mentioned as potentially and allegedly taking money some how, and Zion Williamson was also personally mentioned, not a guardian or parent, as requesting payment, yet he plays at Puke as if nothing was ever mentioned. Of course K plays it all down and claims they completed a thorough check on the allegations. Zion was “cleared” by Puke to play. But yet he plays? Am I the only one that sees anything wrong with this twisted picture? And the Puke fans have the audacity to claim that KU pays players? They even think KU will vacate wins? KU is the only program that threatens Puke. If KU is brought down, Puke becomes the face of college basketball.
Lastly, these stupid situations always end poorly and we all know it. I don’t think it matters if this $2500 payment is true or not, Silvio and KU will have yet another black eye, while other programs seem to be getting away with murder. I haven’t heard a word about Sean Miller and Ayton’s $100,000 payment. Emerts has said none of the schools in this mess will be punished. I don’t get it. Self admitting blame? Does he know something that will come out? Yet K plays Zion.
You people supporting Silvio sitting are a little ridiculous. We are either penalized as it stands, or we are wasting a perfectly eligible recruit. L’ville is the only other program that has suffered. KU has already been punished and there is no wrong doing. We are tarnished and I will be pleasantly surprised if Hurt picks KU. These coaches work these kids and use this crap. I can only imagine what Wright said to JRE. I was shocked when JRE chose Nova. So, KU is already paying a price and the other programs are circling the KU recruits. No telling where Hurt will end. I hope KU. I was hoping that having Self as a U17 coach helped him get to know the real Self, not the nasty backstabbing allegations of other coaches. Apparently Calipari thinks he has a shot at Hurt.
Not one 2019 4 or 5 star commitment in ESPN’s top 100, NOT ONE
Stanley - great get if Grimes lives up to NBA hype, but right now Grimes is looking a little like Selden and may be around at least another year. 42% UCLA (Warm with Oregon and UCLA) If he has two West Coast schools, my guess is they are #1 and #2. KU is a distant #3.
Hurt - Only legit possibility. Crystal Ball 75% KU…Looks like Ol’ Roy is working him too. I’m really glad Roy honored his UNC recruiting commitment, but now he recruits the hell out of KU recruits.
Auchiuwa 62% UCONN
Daniels - KU not even on the board with this kid!
Nnaji 25% tie KU, UNC, and UK (Jerry Meyer has him at UNC 79%)
Edwards FSU 80% (Wiggins flashbacks)
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In my opinion it’s not just the $2500 that’s holding Silvio out. KU as a program is trying to protect its product in every sense of the word. If holding out Silvio saves itself from a future punishment that’s the price that has to be paid right now. And while I agree with you on a lot of your post I don’t think KU’s position ever changes with situations like this.
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@truehawk93 Reading your first paragraph, I’m curious, where do you get your pipeline to the facts?
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@HighEliteMajor The second paragraph is also completely wrong.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@DoubleDD Let me guess … it’s always someone else’s fault, right?
Well come on @HighEliteMajor even you have to admit that the system in place opens the door for these kids to take the money. We can all sit and act like Oh these kids know better, and bury our heads in the sand and deny that special benefits aren’t already in place.
Funny that all these Kids that play for Nike funded AAU teams and tournaments always sign with Nike Schools? Ummm Interesting.
All I’m saying is how can you blame these kids when the NCAA turns a blind eye and everybody gets paid but the kid?
No NBA talent scout ever said we have to draft this kid because they played at KU. Folks Schools don’t make these kids. These kids make the school.
For the love of God @HighEliteMajor some of these kids are being recruited before they’re even in high school. Yet these kids coming from torn families and poor communities are supposed to have this innate moral compass? When society has already crapped on them? Don’t believe take a drive away from the Shawnee, and Olathe schools and visit some schools down in the poor communities and tell me if American kids of different races and income equality are getting a fair shake?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
DoubleDD said:
I’m not sure why you think I’m interested in how you grew up? News flash I’m really not. Haven’t gave it one thought. You see one can have a haughty spirit no matter what side of the rail road tracks you come from.
Obviously you are because you keep referring to my upbringing without having a clue how or where I grew up.
Sorry stake me to the cross and burn me? I just don’t agree with you and some others on blaming these kids. Kids are a product of their up brining, their environment. These kids grew up with nothing, yet we expect them to keep this moral compass you speak of. No my friend it’s about getting paid, cashing in while you can.
So, they should get paid and cash in while they can without regard for rules, regulations or the law or the hardship they create for others in the process? That is the textbook definition of lawlessness.
Based on your comments I take it you believe we should allow all the underprivileged people from Central America, and the rest of the world for that matter, that come in illegally, willingly and knowingly violating our laws to stay and get benefits even American don’t get? After all the US is dangling in front of them and why should they not just break the law and help themselves while they can?
It appears I have riled you to a point of madness. Maybe it’s best we agree to disagree.
You can blame the Kid, and I’ll blame the system.
Have a nice day.
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@DoubleDD Your mindset is what leads to failure. In all aspects of life. “I’ll blame the system”, is what you say. And you start from this false premise that life, or anything related to life, is fair. It isn’t it; can’t be. So you start with a strawman argument.
See, it’s your perspective. Why is it fair that someone that “all they can do is play basketball”, can make millions per year? Why is it fair that I wasn’t born with that talent? Why is it fair that the person who can only play basketball gets a life of privilege, money, and freedom from real work? Purely through genetics?
“Fair” isn’t the word. “Opportunity” is the word. Everyone in America has the ability to use their particular talents to achieve. Nothing is stopping them. Are there barriers for everyone? Yes. Are the barriers different for everyone in some way? Yes.
In America, it’s the opportunity to achieve. It’s not a guarantee of success. There will be winners and losers.
But your whining about the “system” is demonstrative of a point of view that leads down the path of failure. Blame everyone but yourself for failure. Blame the “system.”
Yet, in your diatribe, you ignore the obvious. It’s right there in front of your face – it is the Education that is provided through the college experience, through the scholarship, that will lift many of these kids for a lifetime.
But continue on … it’s easier to blame, than to look in the mirror. Everyone can do it? It’s so unfair that I wasn’t blessed with talent to play a game for living.
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@BeddieKU23 Unfortunately, I hate to agree with you that position will never change.
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Lmao. Oh excuse me great wise one. I’m fully aware one has to make their own choices and be responsible for such choices. Yet if you can’t or don’t want to understand the concept of an environment and it’s a effect on children then you are the one that is being foolish. If you take a child and give them all the tools to be successful. Odds say the child will be successful in some form. Yet if you take a child and tell them they can’t make it on their own. Odds say that child will become dependent on some form of a handout. Oh yes there are always those exceptions to the norm, Yet they are hardly reality.
How about we stay away from the personal barbs and have a honest debate?
I mean how do some of these kids have parents or leadership over their lives called Handlers? In the case of Silvio, he has a handler that received money? Right? Sounds fishy to me from the get go. Does it not you? So what deal did Silvio make with his handler? Or who made this deal so that Silvio could have a handler? Yet somehow in all this Silvio is supposed to know, as you say?
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@HighEliteMajor 1) I’m pissed, 2) because of 1, emotional, and 3) I hope you’re seeing my grand jury courtroom circus and raising me cold hard facts. And 4) This is my point. It doesn’t matter what the “facts” are @HighEliteMajor, KU has suffered unfairly, unjustly, and utterly unnecessarily at the expense of a desperate lawyer that needed to pull out all the stops for his client/s.
Please clarify your statement about having the facts. I hope its in the sense that you are wholly and completely convinced the so-called “grand jury” was a sham and there were NO FACTS presented, only pure allegations. If so, I have no facts, but you and I both know people don’t care about facts. They see smoke and there’s fire.
Let me further clarify my point about Silvio. Regardless of your position in the whole circus, Silvio did not take or I believe did not take any money. I think the kid just wanted to play ball. Any payment was for Maryland, not KU. I don’t think there are any foundations to the allegations about even Townsend’s comments getting a kid at all costs to KU. I think that whole transcript was taken way out of context. In fact, the judge did not even allow the wire taps. So, no one really knows anything.
Lastly, Zion Williamson was clearly mentioned making a request for payment. KU does not make a payment and he plays at Puke. I guess not all programs apply a “no play” until further evidence is presented or the player is cleared. If this were the case, then all players mentioned in an investigation would sit per their program’s direction. Yet again, Zion plays as if nothing was ever said about payment. But you want facts, great request. Let’s get all the facts, but until then, all players are required to sit. Yet, Emmerts says no program will be punished.
What facts do you want? Until then, Silvio sits and that’s your fact, and according to Emmerts, for no reason. But this is KU’s practice, sit a kid until proven guilty. It also makes KU look even more guilty by sitting him. Then when the “facts” come out, it looks even worse. If there were payments, we’re screwed. If there were no payments, then we are screwed even worse, because then we sit him for NO reason whatsoever. If KU and Self are sitting him, the KU lawyers are very concerned? Maybe Billy’s case being so recent has KU a little edgy?
Dang it…I didn’t mean to be so terribly verbose in my response. Most of it is rinse and repeat.
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Merry Christmas !
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@Bosthawk Thank you, nephew Freddie!
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Anyone see this today by Sam Mellinger?
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article223798645.html
